PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...

[Kyokushin]

Except it isn't 'their terms' it is the games design terms, you have a choice, either do engage in it or don't because the BGS isn't going to become a pure and outright PVP only activity anytime soon.

Thats why game design sucks. Its favoring one part of players.
BGS is PvP by the definition of PvP. Its not my definition. Do not blame me. It no matter how someone will call it, but any player against player, faction versus faction play is PvP. Elite is not making an exception, its one of many games and PvP definition is a higher layer.
Tools have no matter. It may be PP/BGS/CG, or simple laser. Or pawn in chess.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

But you could argue there are.

If a CG doesnt pass tier one, it doesnt complete, whch is what in some cases the opposition are trying to do (see: Federal Capital ship production CG's and Imperial player groups), or alternatively are RPing it that way just to have the rosary bead clutchers screaming "griefer!" "NOT REAL RP" and the like.

Is it going to negatively impact you to the same degree that repeatedly having to re-buy an expensive ship is going to impact me? because if not then the playing field isn't level.

 

[Cosmos]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. More anti-PvP sentiment, hatred, vitriol, and salty tears have been championed on this forum than all the rest of the Elite Dangerous related forums on the web combined, and that is a lot. Mods have even been known to find the most flimsy excuses to moderate and ban PvP related posts and posters, without actually having true justification. Many of us are amazed that Frontier puts up with this but they have tacitly endorsed it through their inaction to regulate it since the very beginning. The Official Frontier Forums has earned its sullied reputation multiple times over. Simply mention PvP or any notorious names or groups and you will receive a fair bit of unwarranted backlash here. The modus operandi of the typical PvP-hater on this forum is to call any PvPer they wish to disagree with a "griefer" or "ganker" and then spew ridiculous fallacious arguments about roleplay, manners, and decency as justifications for being vitriolic about how people choose to play videogames; i.e. shooting other players spaceships without prior consent. The generalizations are ridiculous and the comparisons hyperbolic. I have literally been compared to a "" multiple times on this very forum simply for doing what I enjoy: shooting and destroying other commanders as I find them, without discrimination (with the exception of sidewinder noobs because I don't really do that, and although it is frowned upon, it is legal and permitted). This place is pathetic.

Succinctly put ^

 

[Gunnet]

But you could argue there are.

If a CG doesnt pass tier one, it doesnt complete, whch is what in some cases the opposition are trying to do (see: Federal Capital ship production CG's and Imperial player groups), or alternatively are RPing it that way just to have the rosary bead clutchers screaming "griefer!" "NOT REAL RP" and the like.

My emphasis. Players who don't want to engage in PvP are all Catholic now?

 

[Fracktal]

Except it isn't 'their terms' it is the games design terms, you have a choice, either do engage in it or don't because the BGS isn't going to become a pure and outright PVP only activity anytime soon.

So stop trying to engage in BGS interaction with PVP because the game doesn't allow, that due to other game mode and gaming platforms (PS4, XBOne) ?

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Then dont play pvp.
Do not do CG/PP/BGS and do not manipulate a conected markets by trading. It may influe on someone other gameplay.

Switching to group/solo is only allowing you to refuse a part of pvp what is not comfortable to You, and is allowing You to do what may not be comfortable for others.

I hardly think my trading is going to negatively affect you to the same degree that repeatedly blowing me out of the sky is going to affect me.

E.D isn't a PvP game, it's a game that can optionally have PvP elements. It's not 'Unreal Tournament : Spaceship Edition'.

 

[drquin]

More like, "it's not what you say, but the way you go about saying it" is how you go about getting infractions. If your post content is snide, disrespectful, rude, harassing, etc, you're going to get the wrath of the moderation team - no matter if you're a PVP'er or PVE'er or even a RP'er. There are moderators on these forums that PVP, and PVE - contrary to popular statements posted out there!

+1. And management at that. Let me be blunt about my playstyle.

I pvp. I RP FED officer with loose morals (credits are all that matter, and the end of slavery; filthy imperials ). I do not need a reason to attack a player in open nor will i ever give one if they demand it out me. I will attack transports that are not winters or hudsonites. Even better are unaligned CMDRS, cause no one likes neatral people ( an RP statement, any Anarchy Online vets out there ). I will not however rub it in someones face, telling them to git gud. I will not kill the same person twice if they are weaker/unshielded/not as skilled/unwilling etc.. I will not purposefully stalk someone to be a continuel nuiscense to them. I will not haress intentionally. I play in accordance with whats capable of being done. (Open PvP-creed nomination plz)

I will also not stand by any longer as a silent participant and be compared to and pro-sexual assault advocates. Uncalled for. If you are a PvPer who does harass people by continuelly being a thorn in their side (repeated daily killings), then this is what I would constitute as griefing and must be addressed and reported. If the same person is killing you over and over again in the span of an hour and negating your way of fun then please report him/her. Take screens. But do not compare that guy to me and my fellow pvpers. You want us to respect your style? Please respect my style and lets regulate abuse. More discussion needed.

Griefing is very serious issue, a very REAL issue. But as some has stated before, this game was and is marketed to fly in a cutthroat, anarchy thriving galaxy, to do what it is I wish. To make my riches by my own means and to carve out my own infamy or fame. I wish to hunt commanders for my own personal gain with or without reason.

I am given the option to attack other pilots at will without justification. Im going to take that option as it fits my characters agenda. Its nothing personal; untill I'm compared to real world low lifes and/or a child because appearently a man with a wife, dog, and a 56-hour work week could not possibly play any other way.

my way of play is being threatened by an increase in 'i attacked you unprovoked so i must be a griefer'. We as a community, pvpers and pve'ers alike, need to get together and push Frontier for better in game accountability. I loved when open play was filled with pirates, traders, and naval pilots. #ReportGriefers!

 

[CaptainHoyt]

As long as you don't blame you are allowed to post your content, we just had a thread praising the good fight against CMDR XY.

I don't know how true it is but I've heard people have been banned from the forums for calling out Combat loggers, if you do even a little bit of PvP you unfortunately run into CL's. my first two times doing PvP were with logger's, one was a fight that as soon as I started winning "Poof" the second I interdicted a trader at a CG in an imperial system, I'm an Alliance player so I thought I would do some undermining, started shooting and again "poof"

calling these cheaters is part of what we do so some PvP players don't come here encase they get instantly permabanned.

 

[Sylow]

Not all PvP players are noob gankers. The vast majority of them are fine.
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The problem isnt PvP players, its the gankers and the forum has trouble making the distinction.

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The problem is, it's not only the forums who can't seperate them. There's a number of "well renowned" so-called "PvPers" who also belong to the ganker crowd. Mind you, it's just a few foul apples in a significant number of really good people, but they are not singled out but are very much welcome and included.
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A good example for what i mean is a commentary on political developments here lately. To not violate Goodwins law, i have to rephrase it a bit, though. So the commentary basically was that if there's a party meeting and among a hundred attendees there's five people of a radical political opinion, that doesn't make all the people there to be radicals. But if those five start waving flags which clearly show their political position and the rest of the members of the meeting still happily includes them into their ranks, then it makes them all follower of that political direction.
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The very same happens here: even although i know that most of the actual PvPers are good people, who behave properly, look for challenges and good fights and don't go out to shoot beginners in sidewinders, there's a small number of people who do exactly that and still are welcome by the PvP people. As long as this is the case, the PvP community has nobody but themselves to blame for their bad reputation.
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[Lateralus]

Want to improve your PvP skills? Join us over on the Get Good School discord server;

https://discord.gg/MXQF7wb

Plenty of helpful advice available. o7

 

[askavir]

Quick correction: My OP is not about PvPers complaining, it's about the Elite: Dangerous community as a whole suffering/missing out on excellent content because of the growing divide. The event mentioned, and Open/PvP mode commanders and content should feel just as home here as the other play modes.

I agree completely.

But as you can see, no one has criticized you for posting the event. In fact, past PvP tournaments and other events have had their own threads in this very forum, and no one ever stopped it. Several PvPers actually have massive reps on this very forum.

As for the divide, take a few moments to read through the thread, and see which group of players have actually started the mudslinging, the name calling and the passive aggressive insults. PvPers are quick to point at PvErs as the culprits for their unjust bad reputation. I think they should start looking to their side.

 

[DaveB]

Bring a fish mean something happnen. It may be bad for me or my faction. Stopping bringin a fish is a way to prevent it.
Now i cannot prevent it. I can only make it faster. Its one way and its favors a group who want make it happen.

Selectively running missions or offloading valuable trade goods or selling exploration data in the right place makes things happen too, whether there's a CG at the port or not. So does destroying ships and your choice of targets. You are making things happen with your play style, others are making other things happen with theirs. You're on an absolutely equal footing. If they want to meet you on your turf and oppose the things that your play style can make happen, they are welcome to but they've got to "git gud" at it. Same applies to you wanting to "fight" them on their turf and oppose the things that are most influenced by their play style. You'll have to "git gud" at their way of doing things to be successful.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Selectively running missions or offloading valuable trade goods or selling exploration data in the right place makes things happen too, whether there's a CG at the port or not. So does destroying ships and your choice of targets. You are making things happen with your play style, others are making other things happen with theirs. You're on an absolutely equal footing. If they want to meet you on your turf and oppose the things that your play style can make happen, they are welcome to but they've got to "git gud" at it. Same applies to you wanting to "fight" them on their turf and oppose the things that are most influenced by their play style. You'll have to "git gud" at their way of doing things to be successful.

Well said.

 

[Kyokushin]

I hardly think my trading is going to negatively affect you to the same degree that repeatedly blowing me out of the sky is going to affect me.

E.D isn't a PvP game, it's a game that can optionally have PvP elements. It's not 'Unreal Tournament : Spaceship Edition'.

Yes a part of it is. Its called Arena/CQC in fact.

You can do in Elite something against other, but you not need to do it. If you do, then everyone should have equal chances to counter you by avaiable tools.
Unfortunately a bad game design is favoring specific tools and others not. Its favoring hauling a fish, and stopping haulers by lasers not.

And yes, you can play PvP through a trading. If you haul proper number of fishes then you can be unstoppable.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I don't know how true it is but I've heard people have been banned from the forums for calling out Combat loggers, if you do even a little bit of PvP you unfortunately run into CL's. my first two times doing PvP were with logger's, one was a fight that as soon as I started winning "Poof" the second I interdicted a trader at a CG in an imperial system, I'm an Alliance player so I thought I would do some undermining, started shooting and again "poof"

calling these cheaters is part of what we do so some PvP players don't come here encase they get instantly permabanned.

Name calling is forbidden. It is forum rule. It just gets enforced, so don't be surprised people go *poof* here.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Don't mention the NPC nerf...it still hurts.

I'm mainly on reddit and although we get the occasional "boo hoo I just got killed by a mean pwerson boo hoo" salt post, the sodium chloride level is a lot less then here.

i am a pure pvEer and i would love there to be some hardcore npcs out there - just so long as its done with "good" ai and not just cheats to make them hard. it grinds my gears when people use the carp npcs to belittle PvE players.

 

[babelfisch]

Thats why game design sucks. Its favoring one part of players.
BGS is PvP by the definition of PvP. Its not my definition. Do not blame me. It no matter how someone will call it, but any player against player, faction versus faction play is PvP. Elite is not making an exception, its one of many games and PvP definition is a higher layer.
Tools have no matter. It may be PP/BGS/CG, or simple laser. Or pawn in chess.

Nope. The BGS is not PvP by definition, you are playing the wrong game (in that regard). The BGS is PvE by definition, because you can't influence by PvP. You can only influence it using PvE mechanics.

 

[Globusdiablo]

HEADS UP:

Debate the OP; why are Open/PvP commanders/content leaving the Official forum?

This is not another Open/PvE thread (though it might smell like fish)

I will ask for this thread to be closed if it degenerates further into mud throwing.

 

[Theodrid]

Thats why game design sucks. Its favoring one part of players.
BGS is PvP by the definition of PvP. Its not my definition. Do not blame me. It no matter how someone will call it, but any player against player, faction versus faction play is PvP. Elite is not making an exception, its one of many games and PvP definition is a higher layer.
Tools have no matter. It may be PP/BGS/CG, or simple laser. Or pawn in chess.

I hate to break this to you but the BGS goes way, way beyond player factions and whether they are swung in and out of power. So no, the BGS is not, nor will it ever be purely about direct or indirect PvP. The fact that you can only see or care about a miniscule fraction of the BGS is on you, the fact you can't see beyond the pew is on you, your opinion the game design sucks yet you still continue to play it is on you.

 

[CaptainHoyt]

i am a pure pvEer and i would love there to be some hardcore npcs out there - just so long as its done with "good" ai and not just cheats to make them hard. it grinds my gears when people use the carp npcs to belittle PvE players.

damn right, I want AI that can handle there ships, know how to FAO and have good pip management. just those things will make PvE combat so much more satisfying. and for those that struggle low intensity CZ/RES sites could have easier AI so you can train then move on to high intensity CZ/RES sites.

jacking up there health and damage would just be cheap. bullet sponges aren't challenging.