Goose4291
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What's weird about that?
PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...
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What's weird about that?
I'm your man (or goat as the case may be), cross that off your list.
Consider it conceded....I'll call you for author's copyright once I have assembled all this
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Nothing.
But what else would we expect from a bunch of scared non-"Real Man" hiding in Solo just wanting to play the game they paid for their way. If they were "high skillz" and not "crap tier" players they might have something worthy to say.
Luckily we have the righteous PvP'er who is arguing, and bravely so on the electronic battlefield, that the game should not be "dumbed down for" those worthless players. That they should be brought up to the "skill level" displayed here by our forum commandos so their play modes may be abolished so the frightened children that they are may be forced into Open to be the keyboard warriors content.
Think that about covers it.
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Have you ever heard that saying about hunting monsters turns you into one?
I have indeed but luckily I was just helping somebody out here.
verminstar
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Doesnt exactly ring true though considering the police...oh no wait, thats not a good example as it doesnt fit the argument...silly me ^
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Hang on a sec..... How much love has the PvE community got? There is no support for wings, doesnt look like any support for multicrew and mukticrew sounds like all combat stuff, you complain the CQC tournament for money was cancelled..... ... But at least you get to play CQC.
My point is , yes in some ways PvP co tent is lacking in ED but that is the same for all camps so not sure why PvP deserves special treatment
I know we have heated debates, but recent events sadden me.
I recently visited a PvP discord. I learned that they were hosting a PvP event. I asked why they weren't posting it here on the official forum, and the reply was:
"Forums aren't the place for pvp. Posters only cry about it, mods don't like it. Everyone who would be interested is on reddit or on the discord servers we posted to."
The one I spoke with didn't care to elaborate, so I'll just leave the comment here. But I'm genuinely surprised that the official forum isn't considered the goto platform for all who play Elite: Dangerous.
Maybe I'm just unaware of the importance of reddit and discord. Or that this forum was considered toxic by PvPers. I asked if it would be frowned upon if I shared the event here, and got no reply. Consent through silence I guess. So here's a link. It sounds like fun:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/5orehu/event_small_ship_pvp_event_this_saturday/
See you in the black commanders.
(talk about a divided community...
They may be right about some of it, cause personally I see it in the opposite side of the coin. I think this forum is pve friendly, I hate pvp and it's ilk (only being honest, mods!) and I think reddit is a toilet full of carebear hate and insults (When they make a known hostile a mod, then no ty! (on Reddit)).
Goose4291
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Firstly, I've no issues with people playing this game how they want to up to a point: and thats when you start using the other modes to take part in indirect pvp (such as powerplay) against other players so as to mitiate the risk of reciprocity, more so when it becomes ridiculously OTT hateful like the Wolfberg debacle. Its a recipe in my mind for a toxic community
The closest you'll see me using terms like that is to define someone who refuses to learn from their mistakes and blames other player or the game for their woes, such as the tired flying unshielded in an open CG example.
If this is aimed at me, I'd just highlight Im primarily an open world trader, who dabbles in pvp. If you ever come to one of the community events, I'd equally say the same thing (as i have done repeatedly including once with Michael Brookes regarding the godmodding of a CG).
Again if your writing this aimed at me directly, its not about that. For me, complex and challenging games have greater longevity than something bland easy and throwaway. When people argue for easy mode changes (ai nerfs, decreased challenge and increased income with decreased outgoings) I'll argue against it for that reason. Because all that happens is everyone gets to the top tier ships super quick, it becomes boring and they leave. Best experience I had (I cant speak for yourself) was the early days when we were scrabbling to keep a eagle in the air, as opposed to now where you can go sidey to annie in less than 24hrs gametime
If your suggesting that i think people should adapt to the difficulty of the game rather than lobbying for fdev to make the game easier, youre right. However it has nothing to do with forcing people into open.
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Ian Phillips
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Is that a rhetorical question?
By the way, shouldn't you be watching the NK Sprint?
Watching the snooker
you must be fun at rl meets.
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What has it been? 1-3 PvPers weighing in on this entire thread? Kind of underlines the original point. I've read most of the posts in this thread and even the "reasonable" posts made from the majority here have maintained the vantage point that if you PvP without express consent from your victim you've "soiled your bed/ruined it for everybody/you're a bad person/you're a griefer/you're a ganker/what you're doing is somehow wrong and you should be made to feel bad since you don't have a valid reason to destroy another CMDR harmlessly going about their own business not hurting anybody" and then use this value judgment as a means to dispense forum righteousness against the evildoers.
The bottom line is few self respecting PvPer's are going to continue being an active part of this particular community when blowing up CMDR's for no better reasons than they like to see the pretty lights is considered "bad behavior" and worthy of forum retaliation.
For instance, I personally don't believe I need a reason to blow up CMDR's beyond just having modded some new special effects on my suite of multi cannons and I want to see how quickly they take the hull down on an Asp. If that is considered "wrong" by the community, why would I feel comfortable talking about my PvP thoughts with you guys? Obviously if everyone thinks that's terrible behavior and is willing to deride it publicly, why am I going to bother sharing with you guys? And I'm sure many of you will read that, spit out your coffee and angrily begin composing a missive to the effect that I should shove off if that's my attitude, which just strengthens the point; this forum is not for PvPers. Period.
The PvP community looks at rebuys like the rest of you look at fuel costs; they are literally the cost of doing business. Insignificant. They are simply not attached to their ships and their e-pride the way the majority of non-PvPers are. A PvPer dies in battle, gets ganked by a wing (or an g Keelback with Reverberating Cascade Torps), destroyed by a suicidewinder while breaking the speed limit, or otherwise sent to the rebuy screen, they simply shrug, chalk it up to learning and move on; the idea that they would assign a negative value to this and then devote entire threads to bitterly complaining is unthinkable. The idea that you would be blown up for ANY REASON AT ALL and use that as a pedestal for negativity that permeates the bulk of the ED community is preposterous to the PvPer.
This is why I mentioned earlier that it would be helpful if there were some avidly pro PvP moderators on this forum, to help redirect the negativity and start educating people, and also to provide some much needed counterbalance from the current climate.
The bottom line is few self respecting PvPer's are going to continue being an active part of this particular community when blowing up CMDR's for no better reasons than they like to see the pretty lights is considered "bad behavior" and worthy of forum retaliation.
For instance, I personally don't believe I need a reason to blow up CMDR's beyond just having modded some new special effects on my suite of multi cannons and I want to see how quickly they take the hull down on an Asp. If that is considered "wrong" by the community, why would I feel comfortable talking about my PvP thoughts with you guys? Obviously if everyone thinks that's terrible behavior and is willing to deride it publicly, why am I going to bother sharing with you guys? And I'm sure many of you will read that, spit out your coffee and angrily begin composing a missive to the effect that I should shove off if that's my attitude, which just strengthens the point; this forum is not for PvPers. Period.
The PvP community looks at rebuys like the rest of you look at fuel costs; they are literally the cost of doing business. Insignificant. They are simply not attached to their ships and their e-pride the way the majority of non-PvPers are. A PvPer dies in battle, gets ganked by a wing (or an g Keelback with Reverberating Cascade Torps), destroyed by a suicidewinder while breaking the speed limit, or otherwise sent to the rebuy screen, they simply shrug, chalk it up to learning and move on; the idea that they would assign a negative value to this and then devote entire threads to bitterly complaining is unthinkable. The idea that you would be blown up for ANY REASON AT ALL and use that as a pedestal for negativity that permeates the bulk of the ED community is preposterous to the PvPer.
This is why I mentioned earlier that it would be helpful if there were some avidly pro PvP moderators on this forum, to help redirect the negativity and start educating people, and also to provide some much needed counterbalance from the current climate.
Damn I missed that. Well there's more of it this evening.Watching the snooker
Thanks for the heads up!
Nope. Not aimed at anyone.
Said it earlier and I'll say it again. "There are 3 modes...use them."
Why there is even debate here about Solo vs Open, PvE'er vs PvP'er I will never truly understand.
And the "indirect PvP" (odd attempt at equalization to work the "only Open" agenda) of PP and the BGS will never be split into modes.
Wouldn't bother me a bit if it was though.
You can have Open. Do what you like - PvP to your hearts content!
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Goose4291
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I assume so, though I don't know for sure; you've made a lot of sense to me from reading your posts.
verminstar
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I agree with the bulk of this but with respect must add another somewhat overlooked aspect. I dont judge pvprs or whatever they call themselves...dont start threads attacking them or insulting them. I do what many of them have told me...git gud or go solo...I go solo and then im attacked because I avoid them in solo. Im called a coward and thats one the nicer names.
Wheres the logic to that? Im literally taking their advice but thats not good enough...so why tell me to go there? Doesnt make logical sense. Some even have that advice on their sigs while creating a thread calling fer solo mode to be binned entirely...doesnt make sense...can someone help me understand the logic behind this?
What is needed is non-partisanship. We don't need to have extreme views on either side, expecting them to balance out. We need moderators that simply enforce the Forums policy. That's exactly what we have. I've been around these discussions from release. The Mods do their jobs.
Those that espouse players in open getting a thicker skin, should consider doing the same in the Forums. If the majority of posters here look down on indiscriminate killing, and wish to say so, having a pro-PvP Mod wouldn't change things in the least. The majority of players here would still cry foul. Mods don't correct for ideas.
In my experience, those PvP'ers that have been made to feel uncomfortable around here are the ones that don't communicate in a respectful way, or within the rules. It is clear that the majority of posters here are not PvP-centric. That can't be controlled by the Mods. Name throwing goes both ways. Act with common courtesy and all is well. Go off into a 'get good' tirade, you'll get some backlash. This new found Forum Martyrdom has no legs. Consider it 'Sour Grapes', because they find their views in the minority.
I don't consider you a coward for going solo, for whatever that's worth. I think going solo is a sensible precaution for many players, or group.
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