Excuse me for being late to the game here but is my LEP account really, truly not going to get access to the P MkII until August unless I shell-out moolah? How can this be justified?
Python Mk II & Updates To The Gamestore
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Elite Dangerous, the game you and I bought many moons ago is nearing the end of it's unnaturally long life, and it's quite a pleasant surprise it's still here. Elite Dangerous 2024 therefore is a different beast, developed/maintained largely by different people than those who created it. And this is just where we are, for better or worse.
On 'gross', and SC comparisons. Okay, I get that. And yeahhhh, I probably agree. But paying £9 for a presumably pretty low level Chieftain with task-specific modules pre-installed, compared to paying £200 - £2000 for a non-existent jpeg?
ED may be edging into p2w, SC is a scam.
That being said, do I think they should do the ship-build-for-arx, on balance? No. But I'm unsure how else they could do what they clearly are trying to do: making a decade old game on life support last a little longer, by removing the grind to some degree.
Meh.
Your mortal soul.Anyone know how much the seal clubbing starter pack will be?
And a few thousand arx.
I feel like I'm listening to people in an asylum.
This discussion was had before the game even launched. The community chose cosmetic microtransactions only. We said we didn't want people paying for stuff in the game itself.
I've supported the game, I've bought the Lifetime Expansion Pass way back, I've bought skins.
I don't believe for one second that this supposed extra money is going to lead to a huge pace of development for the game. They've had it out for 10 years now, and they've managed to drag their heels, drip feed a few ships, put out very questionably designed (gameplay wise) expansions. What happened to the odyssey money? If all they need to keep the game going is a bit of cash why wasn't that money being used to develop the next expansion.
There's been 2 years of progress over the last ten years, it feels like, and the hype and buzz around the game dropped off as problems persisted, dates and promises missed over and over, and entire sections of the community abandoned. Total mismanagement.
And now people are excited to get their wallets out to pay for a new version of a ship?
This discussion was had before the game even launched. The community chose cosmetic microtransactions only. We said we didn't want people paying for stuff in the game itself.
I've supported the game, I've bought the Lifetime Expansion Pass way back, I've bought skins.
I don't believe for one second that this supposed extra money is going to lead to a huge pace of development for the game. They've had it out for 10 years now, and they've managed to drag their heels, drip feed a few ships, put out very questionably designed (gameplay wise) expansions. What happened to the odyssey money? If all they need to keep the game going is a bit of cash why wasn't that money being used to develop the next expansion.
There's been 2 years of progress over the last ten years, it feels like, and the hype and buzz around the game dropped off as problems persisted, dates and promises missed over and over, and entire sections of the community abandoned. Total mismanagement.
And now people are excited to get their wallets out to pay for a new version of a ship?
Right, that's a big difference.
Early access is not necessarily P2W, because after a few months everyone will have access to the same ship.
It could last a lot longer if ED gets enough support and interest from the player base.
Same, but it's apparent that they need more revenue from ED in the short term. I'm afraid without this they won't develop another big expansion like Odyssey. So early access for ARX increases the chance that we do get DLC with atmospheric planets.
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LEP never stated it included early access to future additions?
The last 2 years of financial troubles at the company went over your head?
Even better idea lets have almost anything other than subs.
As to who has that amount of Arx, players who have been supporting FDev and the game by buying them that is who.
16000/400 = 160/4 = 40/1 = 40 weeks excluding events and the like.
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Oh sure, agree with all the above. And yeah, SC is like a compilation of all the worst industry practices dialed up to 11, and ED is nowhere near that. But it a a difference by degrees now, and that is disappointing.
Ideally they could simply add onto the game in ways their customers have been asking for for ages, and then sell it for a fair price once they get it working properly. Atmo planets, ship interiors, whatever. Look at Paradox for how to constantly create revenue by making the game deeper and richer over and over. Besides, so far ED has been profitable every year for them, the minor costs of upkeep are offset fully by the cosmetics store and random purchases of the game/odyssey. They don't have to do this if they just want to keep the light on.
But for the last five years or so FD has been hellbent on not doing what their customers want in most of their IP, only to then scramble to salvage something via dubious moves that fail constantly. This seems to fit that pattern well.
Or monthly subscription fee, choose your poison
Thing is, the only real hurdle to "just build it yourself" is the Engineering, and they're making that "more accessible and predictable" as per Buur's latest video.
Early Access to the Python Mk2 I see as fine, it won't be premium forever. Perhaps they can throw up a one-time purchase to unlock the Cobra 4 at some point, too.
I don't disagree on early access, in this case it's a simple get-something-early-for-cash deal. Not really different from previous fdev alpha beta offers etc.
My p2w problem, to the limited extent it exists, concerns 'buying' a pre-configured ship to bypass the grind. That skirts awfully close to p2w.
Although as with most things games related, I don't really care much lol.
Those troubles are not because of ED, which has been not just self-sufficient but even profitable year after year. The problems FD are facing is because they insist on spending as little money as possible on the products their customers ask for, and instead offer fundamentally broken new-IP to minuscule audiences for premium prices. Which somehow turns out to not be a winning strategy.
Weird. I am sure the solution is to make ED P2W. If that doesn't work they can always add a generic shooter to Planet Coaster.
Although three months is a pretty long time, especially given it is for a ship variant after years of offering zero new ships. The concept of a brief EA period isn't that out of the ordinary, but the context makes it a bit more dubious to me. Especially since they really seem to be angling for the "just toss us a coin, we're adding so much cool stuff for you guys like the mysterious new feature we cant tell anything about and PP 2.0 which we also couldn't tell you anything about because one dude wasn't in the office that evening. But its really really cool!"
Its not quite the same as doing a brief EA after delivering cool new features.
As you said, its not a huge issue in the scheme of things, but still. Kinda like how it grinds my gears that sliced bread is as expensive as non-sliced bread, but cubed cheese is marked up heavily from non-cubed cheese. I wont burn the parlement down over it, but I might make an angry post about it while I wait for my download to finish. : P
Yup.
Fair. I'm uneasy about it.
I expect it'll take the edge off my enjoyment of the SC thread that never ends.
ha haAlthough three months is a pretty long time, especially given it is for a ship variant after years of offering zero new ships. The concept of a brief EA period isn't that out of the ordinary, but the context makes it a bit more dubious to me. Especially since they really seem to be angling for the "just toss us a coin, we're adding so much cool stuff for you guys like the mysterious new feature we cant tell anything about and PP 2.0 which we also couldn't tell you anything about because one dude wasn't in the office that evening. But its really really cool!"
Its not quite the same as doing a brief EA after delivering cool new features.
As you said, its not a huge issue in the scheme of things, but still. Kinda like how it grinds my gears that sliced bread is as expensive as non-sliced bread, but cubed cheese is marked up heavily from non-cubed cheese. I wont burn the parlement down over it, but I might make an angry post about it while I wait for my download to finish. : P
It never stated late access to futute additions either.
This is just the same as when you couldn’t buy Horizons ships in game if you didn’t own Horizons just the base game.
They also didn't include unicorns.