Sure, but that changes the spin. That pretty much locks in the concept that they're keeping the game tedious to drive people to spend more.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it's just poor planning, not malice.
Python Mk II & Updates To The Gamestore
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I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it's just poor planning, not malice.
I already lost my soul when I started gathering on foot mats!
Maybe some mat trader will trade me a soul for 54 thargoid hearts?
What an astute observation.
Frontier have come up with a wheeze to give no additional benefit to LEP holders. It is yet another reminder that Frontier products should only be paid for once they have appeared, not in advance.
Maybe they actually couldn’t make the code work for Odyssey on consoles.
I might not cry but I would be saddened by that just as I was reading about the seasonal paint jobs becoming available all year.
And no I don’t own and am not eligible for a Cobra 4.
LEP holders get future expansions for free. That was the deal. Same with Kickstarter backers. This isn't an expansion, it's just an extra ship being added to Odyssey. The Arx price is the same as some ship kits/paint jobs anyway, so really you're getting free early access with some cosmetics.
Or you can wait and get it anyway for nothing...
LEP has had more than expansions previously, including a ship on one occasion.
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That article isn't accurate. I checked the Kickstarter pages earlier to confirm what was included (I am a beta backer). Nothing covers this scenario. I've no complaints, I really don't think anyone is losing out on anything.LEP has had more than expansions previously, including a ship on one occasion.
Lifetime Expansion Pass
The Lifetime Expansion Pass or LEP is a content pass for Elite Dangerous that includes ownership of any and all expansions produced for the game, plus access to all betas and a selection of cosmetic Livery items. The LEP was included as a backer reward for purchasers of the £80 "Digital Download...
Yes, extra things have been included previously... But they were freebies rather than things that were owed.
Elite isn't a free-to-play game, unless you mean it is Fortnite's dog. Plus there is the distinction for a lot of people between microtransactions that are purely cosmetic, and those that are not.I cant believe folks are getting so worked up over this, every free to play game and its Dog has micro transactions,
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OK, I went again through the entire article and I noted some feedback and some questions. First let me say that as always I have lots of respect for FDEV and I mean no harm. My feedback will be honest and based on the actual information we've received. Saying that, the article is really vague in some parts, which really just raises more questions than it gives information. Let's start from the beginning. I will provide exact quotes from the article, so that there is no doubt what has been announced, word by word.
1. Changes to engineering.
2. ARX Store.
3. Early access to new ship variants.
4. Pre-built ships.
This is by far the most controversial change and the one I am not happy with the most and again very disappointed and strongly against it. Just like the above, not something I thought I'd see on the 10th anniversary
This is my feedback and my questions.
Overall - I don't really mind most of the above. Apart from the Horizons players being able to buy something that non-paying colleagues will not have access to, and the pre-built instant ships, per my comments.
I have listed the above items in the order that I consider least to most controversial for me personally. Let me also reiterate that all of the above is based on the very limited information that was provided to us in the article. I hope that we can get at least some answers on tomorrow's live stream. Hopefully maybe even sooner in this thread before the stream.
1. Changes to engineering.
- Does that mean we will only get updated SHIP engineering, and FOOT engineering will not be changed at all? If so, this is very weird decision IMO. Ship engineering really isn't so bad currently and we've already had an overhaul of it.
- What does it mean it will be "more predicable"? It already is, that's precisely what the last update to this game loop focused on.
- Same goes for material gathering. We now get 3 mats for 1 collected. We can exchange all standard materials at the traders.
- All this while - the FOOT engineering is very time consuming and it relies almost entirely on RNG and the materials required for engineer unlocks have extremely low drop rate. The modifications to both armour and guns are permanent (IMO the most ridiculous decision ever made in the history of Elite Dangerous development).
- IMO it is FOOT engineering that requires urgent rework, not the ship one.
2. ARX Store.
- Cool, but "many of us"? I frequent these forums and other social media daily and honestly in the grand scale of community feedback I don't think I would place this request in the even top 10 of stuff that "many of us" would like to have as a priority.
- What does "adjusted" mean? I realise some stuff will be made cheaper and other more expensive, but overall - will the pricing increase or decrease?
- Of all the new products that you could put in the store you chose... early access to new ships and pre-built ships? Again, I've not seen anyone asking for that kind of stuff, ever. But I've seen "many of us" asking for more varied clothing (not armours), more shipkits, more fleet carrier customisation items. These are the 3 type of items that I've seen being asked for the most. None of them seem to be considered for adding to the store.
3. Early access to new ship variants.
- I don't actually have any issue with that. This is a good move IMO, as invevitably some of us will use this opportunity and FDEV will receive some money. I just hope this money will go towards further development of the game.
(as per THIS POST)
- While personally I am really not bothered about this, overal it is... not nice to all those people that paid for LEP. Technically noting is wrong - LEP owners still get all the expansions and new content for free. But it would be simply a nice gesture towards them to grant early access to Python Mk2.
- This is very bad decision. This is pure Pay 2 Win (broad term, let's not get into the semantics of what it means, I think we all get the jist). It gives access to new content only to those who can afford it and putting it behind a real-money paywall. Yes, the same can be said about the Odyssey DLC, but in this case you get the entire DLC with LOTS of new content, which is in my opinion fair and understandable. But this decision really leaves very bad taste in my mouth, especially after what David Braben was saying all these years ago about the real money stuff being only cosmetic. I am very sad and very disappointed to see Frontier's decision to go this way, as this sets a very slippery slope precedence and it's going back on what was said to us 10 years ago. It is not really something I hoped I would see on the 10th anniversary of the game release Very strongly opposed to this idea.
- Will the Horizon players be able to buy early access too or will it only be available from 7th August? If yes to EA - will it cost extra or will it be included in the price of ship access?
4. Pre-built ships.
This is by far the most controversial change and the one I am not happy with the most and again very disappointed and strongly against it. Just like the above, not something I thought I'd see on the 10th anniversary
- What does "significant upgrade" and "base model" exactly mean?
- Will they include weapons or just core, optional and utility modules?
- Are all modules going to be engineered? If so, to what grade?
- What about the insurance cost of these ships?
- Will a player be able to lose such a ship permanently? (Let's say a new player spends money to get AX equipped ship, accidentally turns off the shields and boosts into the station wall, while not having money for rebuy)
- Will these "significantly upgraded" ships be available for new players in starter systems, considering the "instant access"?
This is my feedback and my questions.
Overall - I don't really mind most of the above. Apart from the Horizons players being able to buy something that non-paying colleagues will not have access to, and the pre-built instant ships, per my comments.
I have listed the above items in the order that I consider least to most controversial for me personally. Let me also reiterate that all of the above is based on the very limited information that was provided to us in the article. I hope that we can get at least some answers on tomorrow's live stream. Hopefully maybe even sooner in this thread before the stream.
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Almost any option other than subscriptions.
Does money not count if given upfront? The majority of games ever released will be concerned if whatever point you're trying to make is true.
Not really, if you buy a decent game off steam, lets say Horizon Zero Dawn, that's it, that's the game unless you buy the new expansion.
You buy Elite and then Ody and you get constant content updates, free stuff, narrative, CGs etc etc for free, other games you have to pay a subscription for that.
Fdev have to make money, that's clear, which do you prefer?
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Ok,you know console players are,by default "no Oddesy players"right ??So does this include us ?View attachment 390548
Greetings Commanders!
We've got an update for you on the release of the Python Mk II, as well as changes coming to the gamestore:
https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/python-mk-ii-updates-gamestore
How exactly do you think Elite has been making money in the past? My payment for the game stops at the point of purchase, yes. I am not the only person paying for Elite's development, though - the idea is that improving the game attracts more customers. You're saying that a bike shop would have to charge a subscription for the bikes or go out of business because I only bought one bike once.
Considering that the cost for the Odyssey DLC and the needed ARX for a python mk2 seem to both be around a tenner, it'd be a bit foolish to buy the python mk2 instead of the entire DLC for the same price..This is very bad decision. This is pure Pay 2 Win (broad term, let's not get into the semantics of what it means, I think we all get the jist). It gives access to new content only to those who can afford it and putting it behind a real-money paywall. Yes, the same can be said about the Odyssey DLC, but in this case you get the entire DLC with LOTS of new content, which is in my opinion fair and understandable. But this decision really leaves very bad taste in my mouth, especially after what David Braben was saying all these years ago about the real money stuff being only cosmetic. I am very sad and very disappointed to see Frontier's decision to go this way, as this sets a very slippery slope precedence and it's going back on what was said to us 10 years ago. It is not really something I hoped I would see on the 10th anniversary of the game release
Ahm, have you seen the Stanfield sales on console ??? Trust me, the money is there