I didn't.I used rumour as a lie in my post... or was that just a little too subtle
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
- Thread starter Danquememe
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Not bitter having a great time, just bored with their lies and propaganda
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Believe as you will... I'm out there and I think, overall, everyone concerned is actually having fun - including taking the mickey from the other side... but possibly I'm biased
The Gankers.
Apart from 'their lies & propaganda'?
Indeed, you have something to say on the subject?
You do have us at a disadvantage here as every thread where this has been discussed has ended up getting locked, and that's not something we would want to do to the OP.
Perhaps Riverside would like to start his own thread about said topic, as he is quite so invested in it
No, you did:
I don't like that kind of stuff either, but it goes both ways.
Perhaps Riverside would like to start his own thread about said topic, as he is quite so invested in it
This one is fine, I'm on topic making sure there is clear understanding that being bitter isn't the solution. To me I just see two sides of the same coin.
So where are we now? Have we had the usual run of a few pages semi on topic, followed by a few more where the gankers tell us why we are wrong and theyre right and also reveal the real intention behind the thread, then the Open only debate, then the start of 10 or so pages of insults and nothing worthwhile and finally something completely off topic where the OP who has tried so hard to try and appear neutral suddenly loses all neutrality?
Shame, this new ganker style was getting better results than the old style. I mean it literally says in the Gank school info that the final challenge is to have 4 fully equipped gankers trying to kill you across several systems and hes getting sign-ups! just think about that. That is some creative thinking and may just may lead to more people in Open, I hope so. Either way it deserves more followers of the idea but this thread has failed to maintain the same standards as the gankers couldnt keep quiet for a few more pages at the beginning, sorry OP your mates let you down...again.
Shame, this new ganker style was getting better results than the old style. I mean it literally says in the Gank school info that the final challenge is to have 4 fully equipped gankers trying to kill you across several systems and hes getting sign-ups! just think about that. That is some creative thinking and may just may lead to more people in Open, I hope so. Either way it deserves more followers of the idea but this thread has failed to maintain the same standards as the gankers couldnt keep quiet for a few more pages at the beginning, sorry OP your mates let you down...again.
It's not being bitter. Perhaps some of the RP has been taken a bit far, but if there was ever a time where harmlessly venting at something was needed, here we are.
Characters versus characters only. The players who make up Spear can go where they like and stay where they like.
As you suggested: - each time this gets debated the thread gets closed and that would not be fair to @Danquememe because of the effort he has put into it.It's not being bitter. Perhaps some of the RP has been taken a bit far, but if there was ever a time where harmlessly venting at something was needed, here we are.
Characters versus characters only. Spear can go where they like and stay where they like.
Discreet withdrawal & regroup elsewhere suggested
As you suggested: - each time this gets debated the thread gets closed and that would not be fair to @Danquememe because of the effort he has put into it.
Discreet withdrawal & regroup elsewhere suggested
Good idea. I think you guys should stop being bitter about people that play a different way & just play your own way. Being bitter somewhere else is clearly the solution I was overlooking.
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, but it would still be nice if Frontier would add a nice "Are you sure you want to play in Open? You WILL die at the hands of other players! Don't say we didn't warn you!" message to the Open button
Thats really strange, since I'm basically open only, and my only experience of getting ganked is flying in shin dez or Deciat knowing full well there are gankers there.... the fun part for me is being able to escape/evade said gankers.
The rest of the time in open .. its "hi cmdr o7" to which I get radio static (maybe in a few cases i get a "hi" back
Open is NOT the cess pit certain people want you to believe it is.
Although parking your sidey in Jameson memorial and saying "I'm in a sidey, who wants to PvP" is extremely funny.. especially as other elite combat commanders in cutters and 'vettes all log off
Bill
PS only had one 'vette take my sidey on........I lasted an impressive 5 mins until he managed to get me with a plasma round...
This issue with goodie vs baddie, or white hat vs black hat, is pretty simple. A baddie can attack anyone, a goodie has to attack only the correct people. If a baddie has a bounty it's easy, and if you see them again & they have another bounty, attacking them again is no problem. But policing specific people out of a system comes closer to breaking the ToS (repeatedly targeting the same player) than random ganking/griefing does.
Plus the 'baddies' fight each other, and want to fight so going up against them is kinda giving them what they want
I think more PvPers should hunt each other, for legitimate in-game reasons. Piracy may be in the doldrums but Bounty Hunting doesn't have to die too.
I'd actually love that. I've touched on it before, but whenever a kill is actively, directly rewarded by game mechanics, then I consider it 100% valid, allowed, and part of the game. This even extends to piracy - robbing someone of their cargo is the reward in that instance, and blowing them up if they don't comply is part of being a pirate.
Unfortunately, and this is something that tends to come out of games with completely unrestricted PvP, some people get really really bitter about that. Some people decide to be vigilantes. Some people take their vigilantism over the line, and I tend to put targeted harassment of a player about a mile below random ganking, regardless of what "reasons" you cook up to excuse it. Likewise, chasing them off if they come to you is one thing, going out of your way to follow them is quite another.
This attitude that doing things on the "bad guy" side should be punishable by going completely beyond the pale isn't unique to Elite Dangerous either. It's happened in things like Urban Dead, where people were actively getting mad at people for playing zombies. Agitating on the forums for ways to permakill zombies regardless of the fact that they were, without exception, fellow players. We're the protagonists of this multiplayer game, you see. How dare zombies attack a mall in a zombie survival game?
That said, sometimes I wonder what would have happened if the devs didn't leave it up to the players to "police" each other - would distant ganks have happened if there was a PvE mode? As I understand it, it kicked off because Fleetcomm pre-emptively banned Harry Potter from their group or something. There have been a few stories of people getting likewise banned from mobius because they're known to PvP in open (not that I'm sure of the truth of those) - but if FDev actually filled the demand and put in a PvE mode or flag, Mobius and Fleetcomm would be unnecessary, which would in turn instantly nip that sort of drama in the bud.
No, I'd say that really hasn't happened here at all.
I'm still new enough that your appeals to how "these kinds of threads usually go" don't register for me - I've really only signed up quite recently, and am genuinely a brand-new player as of late June.
I opened this thread in good faith, I've continued to contribute to this thread in good faith, I've genuinely learned to appreciate other perspectives thanks to this thread, and I continue to enjoy the contributions towards that end.
The SPEAR thing is pretty tangential, but it is relevant to one aspect of the thread, which is the lawful vs outlaw roleplay dynamic. I've never come across a SPEAR member "in the wild" yet, so I really have no opinion of them other than an awareness of how they are viewed by the ganker community. Personally, as stated before, I'm glad there are lawful groups as I feel that's a healthy type of roleplay to spice up the game.
Anyways, I don't know that I was ever purporting towards neutrality or otherwise. I came to the game with specific goals (PVP spaceship combat) and I've been diligently pursing those goals. I chose the outlaw/ganker playstyle in service of those goals, and have outlined by reasons for doing so, but I am not encouraging anyone else to follow suit. With that said, there's a breadth of content and experiences available in the game, and I know for a fact that my laser-focus on getting into PVP has blindered me from seeing those aspects. Hence the thread. No more, no less complicated than that, really.
"These kinds of thread" - generally progress along the line of: PvE players telling you that you are a monster, sir! Other gankers giving support, PvP players giving support... Then the name calling starts.. Then someone mentions 'Hotel California'...
Don't let it bother you, there are enough 'thought police' patrolling the forums who will jump on anything they find distateful and harrass you - just within forum rules - because you dare to think differently...
Go out, have fun, discover the rest of the game's wonders in your own good time - and ignore the unhappy folk who wish to denigrate how you play, they aren't worth it
To put it in perspective:
In one of my character roles I'd be decrying you as a heartless monster because I'm a defenceless explorer / trader...
In another it would be just a shrug and wouldn't bother me as I am in my own space
In the last - more along the lines of 'that's fine - we may run into eachother some time...'
But as it is just a game, and i have 3 accounts, I can afford to play whichever role I wish
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