Question - Is pc version being curtailed because of console versions?

The bottom line is that a minimum spec PC for this game is currently inferior to a console. Until the minimum specs for this game are comparable to the base console variants, we can't really claim they're what's holding it back. Consoles have historically held many things back, but I don't think we're there just yet with this generation of hardware. Getting close though. At a any rate, the moment consoles do begin to become a burden, Frontier should split the platform builds once again and not hold the PC version back. I say this as an Xbox CMDR.

hi, dont you see, the min spec for pcs cant be changed, because elite is now tied to consoles also being able to run the game, thats what i was originally talking about, consoles are obviously less powerful in graphics, controllers cpu, memory, than what a pc is capable of, now elite HAS to work on Xbox and PS4 etc, it means, when frontier is thinking about adding certain things to the game, they would Have to be sure that those things could be doable on xbox ps4 etc.
 
wow i didnt expect my little question to have 14 pages of responses when i got back, just read thru all that, and it seems there are a lot of different opinions, its not every person believing one thing. some are serious, some are funny, some are rude some are nasty. some insightful, some have said not this again bashing consoles. i guess from the amount of responses it was something people wanted to have a say on, otherwise there wouldnt be 14 pages.

as to some of the responses, i wasnt just asking the question about graphics fidelity or anything like that, i meant when frontier think about the possible things they could do in the game, are they now limited by what a console is able to do, for example i assume they will now not give big resources to VR. the current implimentation of VR is basically just letting you look around in your headset, and i cant imagine that changing, having your hands in VR being able to press buttons on your ships consoles, open doors, fix things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-uKhsC4m30 that is 25 minutes of lone echo gameplay, imagine if you could do that in Elite, but you wont because game is now limited. or is it ?
 
wow i didnt expect my little question to have 14 pages of responses when i got back, just read thru all that, and it seems there are a lot of different opinions, its not every person believing one thing. some are serious, some are funny, some are rude some are nasty. some insightful, some have said not this again bashing consoles. i guess from the amount of responses it was something people wanted to have a say on, otherwise there wouldnt be 14 pages.

as to some of the responses, i wasnt just asking the question about graphics fidelity or anything like that, i meant when frontier think about the possible things they could do in the game, are they now limited by what a console is able to do, for example i assume they will now not give big resources to VR. the current implimentation of VR is basically just letting you look around in your headset, and i cant imagine that changing, having your hands in VR being able to press buttons on your ships consoles, open doors, fix things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-uKhsC4m30 that is 25 minutes of lone echo gameplay, imagine if you could do that in Elite, but you wont because game is now limited. or is it ?

We don't know. They have had VR in the game from the beginning. I see no reason why they can't add VR controller option down the line. Opening doors will still need a button to press no matter what tool is used. We shall find out when/if space legs comes out.
 
hi, dont you see, the min spec for pcs cant be changed, because elite is now tied to consoles also being able to run the game, thats what i was originally talking about, consoles are obviously less powerful in graphics, controllers cpu, memory, than what a pc is capable of, now elite HAS to work on Xbox and PS4 etc, it means, when frontier is thinking about adding certain things to the game, they would Have to be sure that those things could be doable on xbox ps4 etc.

Again, they didn't bother when they discontinued Mac support. Why is it so hard for some people to make a valid point?
 
We don't know. They have had VR in the game from the beginning. I see no reason why they can't add VR controller option down the line. Opening doors will still need a button to press no matter what tool is used. We shall find out when/if space legs comes out.

Judging from current rate.

I wouldn't hold your breath. We're 4 years into the game. Just about half way into the "planned" life of the game and this is how far we've come.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy... Well enjoyed the game but I have a hard time seeing more happening, and I'm usually the guy fast balling my charge card at screen screaming gimme..
 
Judging from current rate.

I wouldn't hold your breath. We're 4 years into the game. Just about half way into the "planned" life of the game and this is how far we've come.

This simply, for me, falls into the "best laid plans of mice*..." situation. According to a quote from a Si-Fi book I recently read, "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy." They were originally going to do "seasons" but something caused that plan to go astray. I don't develop games myself but I can see how this could easily happen. Things get added to the plate; people come and go; something turned out to be more complicated to finish in this game model than we though. etc.

I built this PC specifically to handle the estimated requirements of SC and yet here I am on this one and enjoying myself with it to the point where my other three games languish in loneliness (Skyrim, Never Alone, Train Simulator 2018) for weeks at a time. Why? Because ED is out and available and SC is still in Alpha.

I don't expect anything ever goes according to plan. Nothing ever does. I guess that's why I'm not upset.

*What have MEN got to do with anything?
 
Judging from current rate.

I wouldn't hold your breath. We're 4 years into the game. Just about half way into the "planned" life of the game and this is how far we've come.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy... Well enjoyed the game but I have a hard time seeing more happening, and I'm usually the guy fast balling my charge card at screen screaming gimme..

There is no planned life of the game. DB has said numerous times that it will continue to be developed as long as the players keep supporting it. But, yeah I am not going to hold my breath for space legs as I doubt it will happen for another 2-3 years at best if it does.
 
Apples to oranges. Man you missed that mark by a MILE.
The Rolex still tells time.
The Ferrari still drives.
People pay for the luxury of it. Not what it does.

Would you buy Elite dangerous if it cost 10,000$ and did a few things similar games couldn't?

10k... pffft.

Heck there are some people who've paid that much for a game that doesn't do anything yet and funded to more money than ED will likely ever see in its entire lifetime.

I have no idea where you're driving with this thread.

A Ferrari's value is entirely and purely perceived. In practical terms, it is worthless, as all it can do is burn fuel whilst contributing nothing new to an economy. (bar perhaps the rental market)

Nobody, and I mean nobody, perceives video games with that level of value.

Nope, it's not worthless, it's worth exactly as much (to the company that produced it) as someone's willing to pay for it.
 
LOL!

IKR? Kia makes vehicles that are more "affordable" and "available" but guess what, they're still CRAP and they still SUCK compared to other vehicles.

Making something more "available" to the masses doesn't necessarily make it "beneficial" to the market.

can't rep again. must spread the love around a bit more.

I always have to chuckle at some of the "idealist" armchair economics that gets bandied about as fact without even an "IMO" to soften the LOL.
 
And with current GPU crypto craze, getting console to play games you love is smart thing to do.

PC maybe a master race, but current market is just screwed up in big time. I won't be surprised people will steer clear from upgrading PCs or caring to play games on PCs in upcoming year or so.

The graphics cards sections in Akihabara's shops look like what I imagine a North Korean computer store would look like... Nothing above a GTX 1040 available for anything approaching a reasonable figure (unless Zimbabwean dollars were reintroduced).
 
The graphics cards sections in Akihabara's shops look like what I imagine a North Korean computer store would look like... Nothing above a GTX 1040 available for anything approaching a reasonable figure (unless Zimbabwean dollars were reintroduced).

Still waiting for some Nvidia "consumer" cards that can do double precision computing better than my Titan Black cards, but then I crunch for scientific and humanitarian research, not silly get rich quick schemes.
 

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There is nothing personal or spiteful about my post or opinions here. Im simply putting forward my thoughts regarding console gaming and how (it being the bigger market) can stifel technology development in gaming. Of course there are valid arguments to be had that are contrary to that opinion.

Im happy that we have our console community here and of course you deserve to play the game. This isnt a territorial or emotional issue for me, i thought this was a discussion about the pro's and con's of mixed platform development, when one platform is dynamic and the other static.

Fair enough. I have seen comments from other people, elsewhere, who have pretty much said that Xbox/PS4 development should cease, just because those saying it should cease happen to have the money to afford top-tier equipment.

My political motives are no secret here: So I take the issue of fairness for all, very seriously.
 

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LOL!

IKR? Kia makes vehicles that are more "affordable" and "available" but guess what, they're still CRAP and they still SUCK compared to other vehicles.

Making something more "available" to the masses doesn't necessarily make it "beneficial" to the market.

My mum's Kia might not win races, and might not look cool... But it carries people, cargo, etc.

Carrying capacity is far more important to society than going round a circle a few seconds faster.
 

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10k... pffft.

Heck there are some people who've paid that much for a game that doesn't do anything yet and funded to more money than ED will likely ever see in its entire lifetime.

I have no idea where you're driving with this thread.



Nope, it's not worthless, it's worth exactly as much (to the company that produced it) as someone's willing to pay for it.

I didn't say that people don't pay that much for those cars.

But hypothetically, that value could plummet because Ferraris aren't seen as "cool" for whatever reason. Unlikely, but technically possible.

And I see you fail to address my point that post sale, a Ferrari is indeed practically worthless to the economy, as like I say, the car cannot carry cargo, would not exactly function as a taxi, and so on. It is a fuel burner, and nothing more, that can only really generate a mediocre rental revenue post-sale.
 

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As for addressing two points raised in this thread:

* Everybody trying to use PC to look down to console players need reality check. I tolerate PC only because I can run Linux and I can modify Windows heavily if I required to run it. If PC vendors (and *cough* Microsoft *cough*) would try to remove any of these freedoms, I am leaving PC and maybe IT industry for good. It is that simple. PC master race was an irony full moniker from Zero Punctuation and people taking it seriously needs serious check with reality. There's tons of clever, good gamers playing consoles only. Dismissing them as not worthy is not just arrogant;
* It is time to lay down in bed notion that if ED would be PC exclusive it would have more "in-depth" gameplay. People really need to leave their expectations at entry, because there is no game that does that and more and more evidence piles up it is extremely hard to do. Said that, Beyond series seems to extend lot of basic core gameplay nicely and even that what is there provides hundreds of hours of entertainment of people - again, not every game is capable to do that;


Sorry. Any PC exclusive game is way better than any console game. Expandability, Storage space, ease of add-ons, etc etc

As for linux.. A hippy OS for those who want to sound cool. I was coding a decade or more before Mr. Linus even invented Linux, and how has it changed? A new GUI? It's a tweaker playground. That's about it. It'll never be anything more. It's a cult.
 

sollisb

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LOL!

IKR? Kia makes vehicles that are more "affordable" and "available" but guess what, they're still CRAP and they still SUCK compared to other vehicles.

Making something more "available" to the masses doesn't necessarily make it "beneficial" to the market.


Where did you get that nugget of rubbish? If it's one of the top selling brands to the consumer market, then it's pretty safe to say, it's beneficial? Are all these people buying the KIA because it's not beneficial to them?

In fact it's very beneficial in many tangible ways. The consumer market place, drives the luxurious market place. Why do BMW & Mercedes now make smaller affordable cars? because they see a niche between those that can afford a KIA and those that want the name on their bumper.
 
Sorry. Any PC exclusive game is way better than any console game. Expandability, Storage space, ease of add-ons, etc etc

As for linux.. A hippy OS for those who want to sound cool. I was coding a decade or more before Mr. Linus even invented Linux, and how has it changed? A new GUI? It's a tweaker playground. That's about it. It'll never be anything more. It's a cult.

I remember Linux junkies 30+ years ago swearing up and down that it would "kill" the Windows operating system as it gained traction.

Well, here we are... and Windows is still on top, and people are still buying it- even separate from OEM licensing. If Linux is so "great" then why is it that as FREE operating system it still hasn't gained momentum? Why do you have to run WINE in order to play games? Shouldn't they have been developed for Linux to begin with? People said the same things about MacOS too.. and it's still a niche OS, too. Hell, even they run BootCamp in order to play Windows games. There's still only a mere handful of games available in Linux. Very comparable to what's available on a Mac.

Linux is useful to programmers who want to "test" things on the fly- but it's not so useful to the majority of people who just want their computer to do something without having to recompile their kernel every five minutes. Not everyone wants to be a programmer- some just use the computer for the tool it is.
 
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