Roadmap leaked??

Who are these mythical players who want Elite to be like it used to be? I'd suggest that most who are 'providing feedback' or moaning as some have it, are still attached to the vision that Frontier espoused in the KickStarter.

We're not fighting for our own ideas, we're fighting for Frontier's.
And if they're trying to squeeze more cash out of it I can see 25% off a bunch of cosmetics drawing in a few extra quid (the original Mamba paint job (and FDL) was that hideous I had to hide it with something and couldn't wait for Black Friday) but why exactly do they have the base game and Horizons at 75% off in the current Steam sale?

That seems a little counter productive unless it's aimed at second (and third) accounts or veterans berating their friends into buying it when they'll never play it more than a few hours, at best.

Damnit! They all seemed so excited about legs in the dev diaries...
 
And if they're trying to squeeze more cash out of it I can see 25% off a bunch of cosmetics drawing in a few extra quid (the original Mamba paint job (and FDL) was that hideous I had to hide it with something and couldn't wait for Black Friday) but why exactly do they have the base game and Horizons at 75% off in the current Steam sale?

That seems a little counter productive unless it's aimed at second (and third) accounts or veterans berating their friends into buying it when they'll never play it more than a few hours, at best.

Damnit! They all seemed so excited about legs in the dev diaries...
"Price promotions are an effective sales tool". - Alex Bevis, CFO
 
Marketing works in mysterious ways, you'll have to ask Mr. Bevis for that.
I'd say that getting new players is more important for FD than earning on cosmetics.
Customers are such fickle creatures, which is possibly why the more nefarious developers employ deliberately addictive psychological warfare tactics to keep them fully engaged with the grindstone...

Interesting review on whaling conference / exploiting pay pigs...
 
Customers are such fickle creatures, which is possibly why the more nefarious developers employ deliberately addictive psychological warfare tactics to keep them fully engaged with the grindstone...

Interesting review on whaling conference / exploiting pay pigs...
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
 
I still stand firmly behind my statement that FD doesn't know how to earn money.
I'd really like to spend some more on some good looking cosmetics, but there's simply nothing worth my money.
FD can't deliver and it's not because of their malevolence. ;)
Ahh, I see what may have happened here. When I said "which is possibly why the more nefarious developers..." I wasn't including FDev although incompetent may be a little too far in the opposite direction to describe the situation too.

Despite Elite hitting the market way back in the 80's, Frontier is still a relatively young company who haven't succumbed to the temptation of things like loot boxes, aka gambling or pay to win and hopefully they won't go down that shadowy path either. What they may have done though, is get excited and bite off a little more than they can chew, hence rescheduling carriers and possibly things behind the scenes that we don't know about yet.

I'd be more inclined to put it down to youthful overconfidence than malice or incompetence.

[Edit: In relation to cosmetics, I'd prefer to design my own, like in Need For Speed: World]
 
Yeah sure, but 75%? Why not just do an across the board 25% off everything?
I'm no marketing expert, but wouldn't expanding the pool of players who own the base game make it a lot more likely they'll pay the full price for the upcoming 2020 update? So even if they buy it for a huge discount of 75% off (an awesome deal), Frontier has a good shot at coming out ahead overall since it's another person willing to pay 40(?) bucks for next year's update.

Someone who knows more can tell me why that theory is dumb, though.
 
There is an argument that could be made for the cheaper the game is, if it's not gifted to you, the less you appreciate and value it. Plenty of people out there have more games in their Steam library than brain cells and haven't played any of them more than a similar number of minutes before they got too hard.

Too much choice of things that cost very little doesn't create a loyal player base either.

[Edit: Anecdotally it seems those friends who paid the most have also played the most]
 
Ahh, I see what may have happened here. When I said "which is possibly why the more nefarious developers..." I wasn't including FDev although incompetent may be a little too far in the opposite direction to describe the situation too.

Despite Elite hitting the market way back in the 80's, Frontier is still a relatively young company who haven't succumbed to the temptation of things like loot boxes, aka gambling or pay to win and hopefully they won't go down that shadowy path either. What they may have done though, is get excited and bite off a little more than they can chew, hence rescheduling carriers and possibly things behind the scenes that we don't know about yet.

I'd be more inclined to put it down to youthful overconfidence than malice or incompetence.

[Edit: In relation to cosmetics, I'd prefer to design my own, like in Need For Speed: World]
My apologies for misinterpreting your post, there were already voices on the forum claiming that FD has the same predatory motives, and I completely agree with you that such claims couldn't be more far from the truth. As I said, even with their very tame business model, they could earn much, much more.

Er, what would be the difference between youthful overconfidence and incompetence?

Warframe has an awesome customisation model: some high quality skins are made by users and offered through Steam, and the studio sells colour palettes. The true endgame there is fashionframe. ;)

Digital Extremes is one of the exceptions in the industry that really does microtransactions correctly and people happily pay to support them.
 
My apologies for misinterpreting your post, there were already voices on the forum claiming that FD has the same predatory motives, and I completely agree with you that such claims couldn't be more far from the truth. As I said, even with their very tame business model, they could earn much, much more.

Er, what would be the difference between youthful overconfidence and incompetence?

Warframe has an awesome customisation model: some high quality skins are made by users and offered through Steam, and the studio sells colour palettes. The true endgame there is fashionframe. ;)

Digital Extremes is one of the exceptions in the industry that really does microtransactions correctly and people happily pay to support them.
Have you ever heard the comment: "Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time..."
That's youthful overconfidence. A commitment that's easier to get into, than out of.

A shotgun wedding has the same end result, but the execution isn't quite as pretty.
 
Have you ever heard the comment: "Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time..."
That's youthful overconfidence. A commitment that's easier to get into, than out of.

A shotgun wedding has the same end result, but the execution isn't quite as pretty.
It was a good idea, but it was poorly executed. And that shows incompetence. "When software is done right, it requires a fraction of the human resources to create and maintain. Changes are simple and rapid. Defects are few and far between. Effort is minimized, and functionality and flexibility are maximized." - Robert C. Martin, Clean Architecture

I think I don't have to tell you how much time and resources FD need to make changes and how many defects their software has. ;)
 
It was a good idea, but it was poorly executed. And that shows incompetence. "When software is done right, it requires a fraction of the human resources to create and maintain. Changes are simple and rapid. Defects are few and far between. Effort is minimized, and functionality and flexibility are maximized." - Robert C. Martin, Clean Architecture

I think I don't have to tell you how much time and resources FD need to make changes and how many defects their software has. ;)
LMAO! Yeah ok, fair point, and a nice quote.

Why am I suddenly reminded of this thread...
 
They are still advertising for an AI Programmer for Elite Dangerous .... which suggests they can't find one good enough for what they need :eek:
 
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