Hardware & Technical Saitek x55 rhino

I wouldn't pay any money for any Saitek product since Mad Catz bought them. The quality control is non existent.

If you want an awesome setup for that price, go with a CH Pro Throttle and Thrustmaster t.16000m joystick. It's the most accurate stick you'll ever use with the most full featured throttle.
 
Could not agree more, I had 3 X55 Rhino's in 5 months until I got my money back and I have an X52 which is still running well 10+ years later!
Madcatz are <Ahem>

not sure what stick you are thinking about but the X55 only came out in 2014. That being said, how i wish the X55 was as well made as the x52, as the x55 (for me) knocks socks off the 52.... .when it works... which is kind of the problem :(

if only they had used proper ribbon cable for the wires which move a lot, oh well, will see this current warranty swap out out, and if it breaks try and fix it.

i wont buy another however.
 
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There were some negative comments on these forums about the stick when it first came out that kind of put me off (I was certain, pre-launch, that it was the one I'd been waiting for). One guy even removed the spring entirely and jury-rigged it with elastic bands to try and sort out the issue he had with it! Should be able to find the posts if your search skillz are 1337.
It's probably the cone shaped centering thing he had trouble with. They eventually wear and then it likes to hang up on fine movements. That's the one thing I dislike about the newer Saitek sticks. Once it wears, you may as well have a q-tip with Vaseline handy to apply it fairly frequently. Majorly annoying.
 
First of all my experience with HOTAS and flightsticks in general is limited to a Cyborg Evo (something) I've had years ago (which died to the wear on the centering disk).
After that I've went on flight sim vacation and just recently felt the urge to get a HOTAS.

After going over a lot of reviews I still went for the Rhino.

The contenders were (Dollar to Swiss Francs is approximately 1:1 currently):

CH Pro Throttle + CH Fighterstick (350.- CHF incl. shipping)
CH Pro Throttle + T.16000M (250.- CHF incl. shipping)
Saitek X55 (230.- CHF incl. shipping)
Saitek X52 Pro (220.- CHF incl. shipping)

I'm currently mostly playing E:D, Evochron and some War Thunder and X3 on the side so having plenty of buttons/switches does come in handy.
The Fighterstick lacks a twist function which would result in me needing to buy some rudder pedals as well. CH gear is pretty expensive here (I could almost get a Warthog for that price).
And of course there's always the return option in case I don't like the Rhino.
While the reviews on the X52 were mostly good the throttle just felt off to my taste. I can't really put a finger on it but that and the "lack" of buttons ruled it out.

After a few days of playing E:D here's my preliminary review:

Overall
Both the throttle and stick bodies feel solid enough for the price. The rubberized coating gives them a nice feel. The stick does feel a bit flimsier (guess the plastic used is a bit thinner).
The bases are pretty big, both in height and in width/length. My desk is big enough and I was able to place my K70 between the throttle and stick with the mouse on the right side, if you lack space or have a wide keyboard this could be a problem. The size of the bases help with the stability though.
I really do like the look of the the HOTAS, I'm not a big fan of CH's 1980s look but that's personal preference. I also don't like the sci-fi look of the X52.
The biggest "letdown" was probably the cheap look of some of the plastics. I'm totally not against using plastics in things but you can definitely make them look better than some of the buttons Saitek made here.

To the QA issues, I'm not sure about the play of the buttons/switches if that's "intended" or a QA issue but so far I haven't seen anything wrong that justified a RMA. The lubrication issue with the throttle seems fixable with some DIY and I really wouldn't want to go through the hassle of returning if I can fix it myself.

I'm also using it on 2 USB 3.0 ports and I haven't had any issues with ghosting or malfunctions so far.

Throttle
- It does stick, even on the loosest setting you can feel the excess amount of lubricant hindering the movement. I haven't yet cracked it open due to my girlfriend being paranoid about me opening up brand new things to tinker (gotta do it stealthy :D ).
- I'm pretty happy with the resistance though, it has a somewhat "hydraulic" feel to it and I haven't had any issues during travel or combat, if I died it wasn't due to me being too slow on the throttle.
- The top is in my opinion a bit too big, it's a bit high up to press comfortably.
- The metal switch-buttons (buttons not switches keep in mind) do have a bit of sideways play which could've been fixed by using a bit higher quality switches.
- The rotaries look really cheap, another thing that a different finish on the plastic could've solved.
- Really happy so far with the throttle, the only thing I'd would've wanted is a detent at 100% throttle because according to the label it goes above that, would've been great to have a button press at the end of the throttle for the boost in E:D for example.

Stick
- I'll start with the worst. The hat switches have way too much play, especially the grey one. This one also sticks out quite far making it quite hard to reach the upper one without accidentally pressing it.
- The hat switches also look pretty cheap (again, other buttons show that you can make it look more decent)
- The stick isn't made for small hands/fingers. If you're looking to buy one make sure you can either send it back or try it first in a shop. I got pretty large hands (at least I'm being told) and I'm fine with the size apart from the upper hat switch basically being out of reach when I need to keep my hand in the "combat position"
- Accuracy of the stick is good as far as I can tell. Definitely a step up from the old Cyborg (ignoring the step effect it had due to wear). I'm not an expert here though.
- It gets shipped with 4 different springs to adjust it to your liking. This is definitely a big plus as it means you're not stuck with a stick that's either too hard or too loose to move precisely.
- It has a twist function. While some might say this isn't "realistic" or even an abomination it's a compromise. A decent set of pedals costs around 100 to 150.- and while I'm definitely a fan of pedals my budget doesn't allow it currently and having a digital solution for yaw like a hat switch is even worse than having to twist the stick so I'd rather have a twisty stick than have to tap a button or hat switch especially for those finer adjustments.

Conclusion
For me personally it's worth the bucks I've spent on it. According to the reviews if you like the X52's design and can do with less buttons I think it might be the better product.
The other thing is the price tag. The Warthog or a decent CH combo clocks in at 400-500.- and the cheaper Thrustmaster HOTAS isn't "serious" enough for me. The 200-ish pricetag for the X55 hits pretty much my sweetspot for that category of gear. While you can argue that the build quality could be better for that price tag there simply isn't much on the market in this region.

I'll update this post in case I break anything. Next on my to-do list is changing the lube on the throttle and have a look at those wires since they seem a bit oddly placed for me.
 
First of all my experience with HOTAS and flightsticks in general is limited to a Cyborg Evo (something) I've had years ago (which died to the wear on the centering disk).
After that I've went on flight sim vacation and just recently felt the urge to get a HOTAS.

After going over a lot of reviews I still went for the Rhino.

The contenders were (Dollar to Swiss Francs is approximately 1:1 currently):

CH Pro Throttle + CH Fighterstick (350.- CHF incl. shipping)
CH Pro Throttle + T.16000M (250.- CHF incl. shipping)
Saitek X55 (230.- CHF incl. shipping)
Saitek X52 Pro (220.- CHF incl. shipping)

I'm currently mostly playing E:D, Evochron and some War Thunder and X3 on the side so having plenty of buttons/switches does come in handy.
The Fighterstick lacks a twist function which would result in me needing to buy some rudder pedals as well. CH gear is pretty expensive here (I could almost get a Warthog for that price).
And of course there's always the return option in case I don't like the Rhino.
While the reviews on the X52 were mostly good the throttle just felt off to my taste. I can't really put a finger on it but that and the "lack" of buttons ruled it out.

After a few days of playing E:D here's my preliminary review:

Overall
Both the throttle and stick bodies feel solid enough for the price. The rubberized coating gives them a nice feel. The stick does feel a bit flimsier (guess the plastic used is a bit thinner).
The bases are pretty big, both in height and in width/length. My desk is big enough and I was able to place my K70 between the throttle and stick with the mouse on the right side, if you lack space or have a wide keyboard this could be a problem. The size of the bases help with the stability though.
I really do like the look of the the HOTAS, I'm not a big fan of CH's 1980s look but that's personal preference. I also don't like the sci-fi look of the X52.
The biggest "letdown" was probably the cheap look of some of the plastics. I'm totally not against using plastics in things but you can definitely make them look better than some of the buttons Saitek made here.

To the QA issues, I'm not sure about the play of the buttons/switches if that's "intended" or a QA issue but so far I haven't seen anything wrong that justified a RMA. The lubrication issue with the throttle seems fixable with some DIY and I really wouldn't want to go through the hassle of returning if I can fix it myself.

I'm also using it on 2 USB 3.0 ports and I haven't had any issues with ghosting or malfunctions so far.

Throttle
- It does stick, even on the loosest setting you can feel the excess amount of lubricant hindering the movement. I haven't yet cracked it open due to my girlfriend being paranoid about me opening up brand new things to tinker (gotta do it stealthy :D ).
- I'm pretty happy with the resistance though, it has a somewhat "hydraulic" feel to it and I haven't had any issues during travel or combat, if I died it wasn't due to me being too slow on the throttle.
- The top is in my opinion a bit too big, it's a bit high up to press comfortably.
- The metal switch-buttons (buttons not switches keep in mind) do have a bit of sideways play which could've been fixed by using a bit higher quality switches.
- The rotaries look really cheap, another thing that a different finish on the plastic could've solved.
- Really happy so far with the throttle, the only thing I'd would've wanted is a detent at 100% throttle because according to the label it goes above that, would've been great to have a button press at the end of the throttle for the boost in E:D for example.

Stick
- I'll start with the worst. The hat switches have way too much play, especially the grey one. This one also sticks out quite far making it quite hard to reach the upper one without accidentally pressing it.
- The hat switches also look pretty cheap (again, other buttons show that you can make it look more decent)
- The stick isn't made for small hands/fingers. If you're looking to buy one make sure you can either send it back or try it first in a shop. I got pretty large hands (at least I'm being told) and I'm fine with the size apart from the upper hat switch basically being out of reach when I need to keep my hand in the "combat position"
- Accuracy of the stick is good as far as I can tell. Definitely a step up from the old Cyborg (ignoring the step effect it had due to wear). I'm not an expert here though.
- It gets shipped with 4 different springs to adjust it to your liking. This is definitely a big plus as it means you're not stuck with a stick that's either too hard or too loose to move precisely.
- It has a twist function. While some might say this isn't "realistic" or even an abomination it's a compromise. A decent set of pedals costs around 100 to 150.- and while I'm definitely a fan of pedals my budget doesn't allow it currently and having a digital solution for yaw like a hat switch is even worse than having to twist the stick so I'd rather have a twisty stick than have to tap a button or hat switch especially for those finer adjustments.

Conclusion
For me personally it's worth the bucks I've spent on it. According to the reviews if you like the X52's design and can do with less buttons I think it might be the better product.
The other thing is the price tag. The Warthog or a decent CH combo clocks in at 400-500.- and the cheaper Thrustmaster HOTAS isn't "serious" enough for me. The 200-ish pricetag for the X55 hits pretty much my sweetspot for that category of gear. While you can argue that the build quality could be better for that price tag there simply isn't much on the market in this region.

I'll update this post in case I break anything. Next on my to-do list is changing the lube on the throttle and have a look at those wires since they seem a bit oddly placed for me.

Nice well thoughtout write up Cmdr, my only wish for you is that WHEN it goes wrong, that you get a better aftersale customer support experience than i have done sine June 2015. I am on my 3rd X55. I am not fussy returning them or complaining that it grinds and graunches, squeaks and sticks (Which is does), but i have had 3 FAILURES, where buttons and triggers just FAIL!

The concept is Brilliant, the layout is everything you want, the software is er............. software, but OMG the build quality is woeful and the customer service is equally as Atrocious. The throttle side is brilliant, (Apart from the lastest failure being the RED Thumb button on the throttle side failing) but the stick side is a tragic build of weak, inferior and CHEAP components put together very poorly with an abundance lubricant in certain places and total lack of any slippy stuff in the areas that control the movement of the twist function! Wait till you do take it apart !

I wish the build quality was better, as they have a cracking design there, EVERYTHING you would want in a HOTAS and a control for 80% of ED's functions. If the build quality and component usage was better, then the Customer Service would be better, as no one would use them! :)

Warthog for me when this X55 (2 Sticks and 1 Throttle later) finally gives up! But then Pedals.....Not sure i will get on with them?
 
The biggest problem I have found is the micro button collapsing on the hats and losing the feedback. After pulling mine apart and switching over the mechanism from the hat that wasn't used much to the one that failed, it worked for a while and eventually the same fail. The Castle hat gets a lot of use for controlling pips (under stress too sometimes I bet).

I then pulled apart my old X-52 which I have had for 6 or 7 years I think, to find out what they did differently that makes it so much more reliable than the x-55. To my surprise the mechanisms around the hats are basically identical. It just seems like they ended up will really poor quality micro buttons on the x-55. Prolly saved them several cents per joystick too :). Shame you cant press them more than 100 times before they fail :)

I decided to go to the local electronics shop and bought my own and replaced them. Hasn't failed since.
 
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Le sigh.

I wish I'd seen this thread before buying mine :(

Throttle works fine, but the stick is being weird - lights up, axes work but no buttons do :( Such a shame as it has everything I want config wise - just a shame it is such poor quality. Any immediate hints for my particular problem? I've taken the stick apart and can't see any loose wires (and I've done the: is it tight to the base thing)

I'm using an old logitech at the moment, which is fine for exploration but when I eventually get back to the bubble from Beagle Point (Distant Worlds) I'm gonna need more than I have now :(
 
I'm trying to set up my X55 for E:D but I'm still lost on what to bind where. I also wish you could assign opening and closing cargo/landing to seperate keys rather than it being a toggle. I often lose track of whether it's up or down.
 
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In the last month, Saitek have announced a successor to the X55, called the X56. It seems to be pretty much the same product,, but some digital switches on the throttle replaced with analog. It also has had a paintjob and RGB LEDS.

This has coincided with the H4 on my X55 throttle dying. Saitek are saying they cannot replace my X55, and are offering an X52 Pro now, or an X56 in a few months.

Does anybody have an X56 yet, or have seen reviews where they've opened it up to see what has changed internally? What do I lose functionally by accepting an X52 Pro as replacement?

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x56.html
 
I wonder if all the X55 have the same rotary buttons shaking issue ( because of the cables )
I can send it back, and get another one. I would like to replace it, maybe i have more luck with another one.
Are they all the same, with issues ??
Thank you
 
I wonder if all the X55 have the same rotary buttons shaking issue ( because of the cables )
I can send it back, and get another one. I would like to replace it, maybe i have more luck with another one.
Are they all the same, with issues ??
Thank you

If you can get a replacement then I would advise you to do it as soon as possible. X55 is EOL already and is replaced by X56.
 
The one thing i have been meaning to do is to buy a small bicycle inner tube and use repair glue to alter it's size so it's a pneumatic donut spring. I think it would be far better then the mechanical springs supplied.
 
Since June 2015 i have had 3 X55 Saiteks, all replacements for the new one i bought back in June. I have posted on here many a time complaining about the X55 poor build, the madCatz poor Customer service. I have read the blurb about the X56 and it says it has listened to it's customers and improved quality on the X56.......................... Hmmmmmmm, i suspect that their marketing department is somewhat better than their Quality Control and Customer service department.

I will reserve judgement until i read reports from people who have the X56. It is on presale on Amazon, and should be available end April/beginning of May.

The X55 and X56 wonderful concepts but the X55 build quality is WOEFUL....!
 
I must be extremely lucky as I've never had any issues whatsoever, except ghosting one time due to badly tightened stick. Hats still work. Trigger works. Buttons works. Throttle isn't sticky. Sure the twist squeaks and making odd sounds, but it works.
But... I'm very gentle with my stuff.
I hope you all get it sorted cuz it's such a great HOTAS!
 
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I must be extremely lucky as I've never had any issues whatsoever, except ghosting one time due to badly tightened stick. Hats still work. Trigger works. Buttons works. Throttle isn't sticky. Sure the twist squeaks and making odd sounds, but it works.
But... I'm very gentle with my stuff.
I hope you all get it sorted cuz it's such a great HOTAS!

WOW! If i were you, i would contact Saitek (Madcatz) and tell them you have a working HOTAS? I am sure they will ask to buy it back from you and mount it in there showroom..... ;)

I have great hopes for the X56! The actual concept is BRILLIANT with all the switches, Hats, Controls you would ever need even in a game like ED, But..............!
 
I got the money back for Saitek X55 Rhino, and i don't know what else should i get.
I guess, the next product X56 has the same poor quality, only with different colors, so it's not worth, imo
I would purchase Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, but i have no rudder pedals, and maybe it would be very difficult to use it for WW2 / WW1 aircrafts, without Z axis / rudder pedals.
It's really impossible to fly or take off ( WW1 / WW2 planes ) without pedals / no Z axis ??
 
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I got the money back for Saitek X55 Rhino, and i don't know what else should i get.
I guess, the next product X56 has the same poor quality, only with different colors, so it's not worth, imo
I would purchase Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, but i have no rudder pedals, and maybe it would be very difficult to use it for WW2 / WW1 aircrafts, without Z axis / rudder pedals.
It's really impossible to fly or take off ( WW1 / WW2 planes ) without pedals / no Z axis ??

You can wait and see what Thrustmaster are going to announce in one week. Otherwise X56 is the only choice now for HOTAS. Thrustmaster T.16kM is quite good (I would say better than X55 in terms of X/Y/RZ axes), but it lacks hats and buttons (it has 12 buttons on the base, however, it is not possible to push them while maintaining control).
 
I have the Thrustmaster 16000M, as well. It's way behind X55 joystick, imo
Thrustmaster is going to announce some new HOTAS for 2016 ? Where did you read that ?
What would be better ?
Thrustmaster H.O.T.A.S. with pedals or X56 Rhino with included Z axis ?
Some people says, the joystick option "Z axis" is far behind dedicated ruder pedals
 
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I have the Thrustmaster 16000M, as well. It's way behind X55 joystick, imo
Thrustmaster is going to announce some new HOTAS for 2016 ? Where did you read that ?
What would be better ?
Thrustmaster H.O.T.A.S. with pedals or X56 Rhino with included Z axis ?
Some people says, the joystick option "Z axis" is far behind dedicated ruder pedals

Well, the first batches of X55 were not even close to the precision to T.16kM along all axes. They required huge deadzones, while none were required for T.16kM. Saitek has fixed these issues, but still I find T.16kM more precise along all axes.

As for new Thrustmaster joysticks:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/4dq0qc/thrustmaster_new_joystick_lineup_reveal/

I hope that this is true ^.
 
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