If that's directed at me, you assume much.
Shutdown Field as ultimate self defense system
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For many ships, I can't agree with this.
Cutter, FdL, yeah.
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You're mistaken.
Every fully engineered vessel with a modicum of defensive consideration takes longer to down post-engineers. You don't need a big ship with a lot of boosters for this to be the case.
Even hull and module defenses have dramatically outpaced offensive mods and that doesn't even take into account the additional speed and manuverability from things like improved thrusters.
A typical offensive boost would be about 70% from overcharged. You can get higher paper increases in certain circumstances but with significant downsides.
A standard 4-utility ship gets 120% extra defence versus absolute damage from a reinforced shield and the usual 2HD+2RA booster pair ... and about 300-400% extra defence versus thermal and kinetic damage.
Even with only 2 engineered shield boosters and an engineered shield you're still significantly exceeding 70% extra defence.
It may be true on a lot of the smaller ships that the ultra-high first-strike DPS of frags means that they'd be dead if neither side was engineered, and they're still dead if both sides are engineered because even the higher defence boost isn't enough. But the smaller ships can make use of drive and distributor engineering to be fast enough that the paper DPS of frags is irrelevant because they don't have to just sit there and tank full bursts.
My shieldless Viper Mk III has ~80% more hull integrity than it would have without engineers, ~40% higher hull resistances, an extra heatsink, ~180m/s higher speed/acceleration, ~45% better rotationals, and at least a 30% reduction in boost interval.
Morgan Freeman's voice
Yep, ol' SenseiMatty was feeling pretty good about his idea.
Then someone pointed out that anyone could equip this module. Yes sir, even the gankers- and in their hands explorers stood even less of a chance, whereas before a little bit of old-fashioned situational awareness and stick smarts would do them right as rain.
Ol' SenseiMatty was never quite the same after that.
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If this is yet another "we don't want gankers interrupting our DW2 expedition" thread in disguise, then I have three key bits of advice for you on how to not get killed.
1: Don't min/max for exploration. You can't complain about your minimums actually being drawbacks when you are there reaping the advantages of the maximums. Adopt a more balanced approach, include a shield generator (and possibly not minimum size, or take reinforced/thermal resist instead of low power), possibly with shield boosters or hull reinforcements, and you will see that your minimum won't be such a problem.
2: Don't play in open. Simple as that, if you don't want to interact with other players then don't choose the explicit "interact with random players" mode.
3: In the case of DW2, don't explicitly announce where you will be in advance. It's hard to complain about turkey shooters too much when the turkeys themselves are the ones organising the shoot.
1: Don't min/max for exploration. You can't complain about your minimums actually being drawbacks when you are there reaping the advantages of the maximums. Adopt a more balanced approach, include a shield generator (and possibly not minimum size, or take reinforced/thermal resist instead of low power), possibly with shield boosters or hull reinforcements, and you will see that your minimum won't be such a problem.
2: Don't play in open. Simple as that, if you don't want to interact with other players then don't choose the explicit "interact with random players" mode.
3: In the case of DW2, don't explicitly announce where you will be in advance. It's hard to complain about turkey shooters too much when the turkeys themselves are the ones organising the shoot.
I prefer magnetic mines.
I hope you are joking!
It would work though and no one would need would to get nailed to anything. It's perfect!
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Have to say that if I saw this as an option for hardpoints I'd be viewing it as an weapon to aid with piracy as opposed to something defensive. I actually think it would be something interesting to have, but I don't see it being implemented in a game that includes PvP, much like we'll never see the return of energy bombs (at least in their original form).
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Inflation from engineering. Balance pass on modules weren't that drastic.
Reasons? Pretty obvious.
Strong incentive for the players to get the DLC and grind stupid amount of times.
A total lack of interest to achieve balance for PVP in the sandbox.
Again, and I already asked you. In which universe can I convince a lucid friend of mine to grind for 200 hours just for his exploration ship to resist alpha strike from a combat ship?
And what type of ing skills will he hone while doing it? Submit to interdiction and HiWake? Switch to solo?
Pvp right now in Elite is so fitting for the bonkers mentality vets and their sense of achievement seemed to have developped. It's a freeform, unwelcoming, incredibly segregated decaying pile of rot without matchmaking nor balance.
My 2 c.
