Proposal Discussion -SLAVES in ED universe-

Mephane

Mephane
Free the slaves!

I remember one incident where I came upon a ship trafficking slaves through Federal space. I had no cargo scanner so I did not know what the ship was carrying, but there was a nice bounty on it. During the fight, the cargo hatch was damaged and what spilled out, to my surprise, were slaves (in cryo-stasis pods, I assume). I was presented with the choice of gathering them up and selling them on the black market, becoming part of the shady business, or leaving them out there to die...

How about an option to release slaves into freedom:
  • When you have slaves in your cargo hold, you always have the option to free them from slavery.
  • Freeing slaves turns them into slavery fugitives.
  • You can turn in fugitives on any station in a jurisdiction where slavery is illegal.
  • Turning in fugitives rewards a reputation bonus, but no money*.
  • Not turning in fugitives (e.g. by selling them back to a slave trader, throwing them out of the airlock) is considered a crime and will result in a bounty on you.

*a) you're doing it for humanitarian reasons, b) it shouldn't turn into a "buy slaves, sell fugitives" trading scheme, which would run counter to the spirit of the idea of freeing slaves because you are morally against slavery in the first place.
 

Sir.Tj

The Moderator who shall not be Blamed....
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Sir.Tj
A we have had a considerable number of threads discussing Slaves in the game, I've merged them together to help keep the forum a bit tidier.:smilie:
 

ledpup

L
Wage slaves in 3300?

A more challenging idea than whether there will be slaves in 1300 years is: will there still be wage slaves in 1300 years?

I haven't seen any evidence that there are parts of the galaxy where that too has been abolished, unfortunately.
 

Special_Circumstances

Special_Circumstances
boringnick said:
Besides larga plasma acclerators:
http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1176

There is a huge *** element in the games in my opinion:

Robots cost on average around 600-800 credits.
Slaves cost 1000-1400 credits

What's the point?

Robots are obviously cheaper to produce, and I guess much better work horses than humans in the year 3200.

Why keep slavery? Now of course, I could imagine why some sleazy f*cks would want to have slaves.. I guess even in the future, there will be no shortage of perverts, but, why rely your whole economy (empire) on slaves, when there is a much cheaper alternative? Not to mention all the hassle that comes with slaves.
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Slaves keep organs alive for harvesting. Organs not in a body will decay faster.

So basically slaves are forms of medicine for rich stations.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
i have no interest in peddling with slaves, however imagine my dilemma.

a wanted target dropped a load of cargo pods.... and they were full of slaves.

what was I to do, leave them there to rot or to "rescue" as many of them I could.

but with no other recourse but to sell on the black market, that was what I did.

I hope that in the main game I will have other options, such as releasing them - with small possibilities of game "stories" coming from some of them.

incidently, my god they were profitable!!!

PS everything else being equal, a robot or a human "slave" assuming I was that way inclined, for everything domestic I would rather have a human.

sure for manual labour I would take a machine however.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Organics (both humans and animals) have a number of advantages that machines don't. First, assuming a suitable biosphere, they are self supporting. They can use the most efficient solar panels known to man (chlorophyll) to convert carbon dioxide, water, and sunlight into energy... Or they can consume the plants that perform this vital task. Second they are self replicating, to a degree unheard of in the mechanical world. Finally, they are self repairing.

Machines, even simple steam engines, require a huge amount of infrastructure to build, maintain, and repair. They require mines and refineries for raw material to build, high density energy sources to run, and specialists to repair.

If you find a near Earth parallel, until the colony can develop enough to support an industrial base, manual labor, both human and animal, is the way to go. To get human labor, you've got three choices: produce it on site, pay people to immigrate with wages high enough to put up with such conditions, or slave labor.

There are also other occupations where human beings are more suitable than machines, including agriculture.

In the Empire, our slaves are all people who have voluntarily sold themselves into slavery to clear a debt, to make restitution for a crime, or to better their situation. The latter is a gamble, but it is an out for the truly desperate. Sadly, there are places where conscripted slave labor still exists, and that form of slavery is condemned by the Empire as strongly as it is in the less than civilized parts of Human space.
 

Daeron

Daeron
Some of us prefer good old fashioned human handiwork, over a bunch of Cylon wannabe machines, ready to stab you in the back without proper authorization, thank you very much.

Robots make strange noises, and stare at you, when you turn your back to them. Oh, and they smell funny. Should be melted on sight!
 

Cosmo

Cosmo
Darkfyre99 said:
Machines, even simple steam engines, require a huge amount of infrastructure to build, maintain, and repair. They require mines and refineries for raw material to build, high density energy sources to run, and specialists to repair.
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Humans are more useful in primitive societies which depend on nature, because they don't require an advanced infrastructure and industry that machines need.

Darkfyre99 said:
There are also other occupations where human beings are more suitable than machines, including agriculture.
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That would be the case in primitive societies which cannot support advanced or sentient machines.

Darkfyre99 said:
In the Empire, our slaves are all people who have voluntarily sold themselves into slavery to clear a debt, to make restitution for a crime, or to better their situation.
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If they were smart they wouldn't sell their freedom to clear it. People are most productive when they can work in freedom.

“Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom.” —Albert Einstein

Darkfyre99 said:
Sadly, there are places where conscripted slave labor still exists, and that form of slavery is condemned by the Empire as strongly as it is in the less than civilized parts of Human space.
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Then they would have abolished conscription as it's like slavery (forcing people to serve in an army or other public projects).
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
How are transported the slaves ?

In there ?

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Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
Patrick_68000 said:
But the canisters have a capacity of 1 ton, no ? It makes more than 10 slaves by canister ?

:eek: :)
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I think it was more like 3 slaves? I am guessing, but I thought I saw designs somewhere.

I would like to remind that this is also very primitive way you will be able to transport passengers - next stages are various classes of cabins.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Pecisk said:
I think it was more like 3 slaves? I am guessing, but I thought I saw designs somewhere.

I would like to remind that this is also very primitive way you will be able to transport passengers - next stages are various classes of cabins.
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Yes, the passenger ships could also be used to transport the slaves. The great luxury for them, and the prestige for the Empire

:)
 
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