General / Off-Topic Some numbers and a shortage

[Shinji Ikari]

Son, you’re young still believing in governments and their good “intentions”

Or rather you've been wearing your tinfoil hat for too long, I certainly can see merit even if surrounded by corruption or conflicts of interest.

however the truth is that all joke aside it is just history repeating itself.
Mega cities are a death trap, a perfect place to keep everybody under control, and radiate everyone with whatever they got installed. Think cell towers, just remember 2.5Ghz is used in microwave ovens crank up the juice and voila!

That is incredibly meaningless, the only thing I can decipher from that is that you subscribe to (yet another) conspiracy based on pseudoscience, in this instance, that cellphone transmitions and Wi-Fi represent a health risk.

 

[lysan]

Or rather you've been wearing your tinfoil hat for too long, I certainly can see merit even if surrounded by corruption or conflicts of interest.



That is incredibly meaningless, the only thing I can decipher from that is that you subscribe to (yet another) conspiracy based on pseudoscience, in this instance, that cellphone transmitions and Wi-Fi represent a health risk.

Nope, it’s actually true. However you can believe what you want, it’s your life. Take care.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Nope, it’s actually true. However you can believe what you want, it’s your life. Take care.

Again, you statements were too vague to even be falsifiable statements other than cellphones are a health risk (which is simply false).

 

[jasonbarron]

I have no problem believing cell transmission, wi-fi, microwave and the soon to be ubiquitous 5g energy bombarding our systems every minute of every day is probably less than ideal. The real question imo is how you couldn't be worried about it.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I have no problem believing cell transmission, wi-fi, microwave and the soon to be ubiquitous 5g energy bombarding our systems every minute of every day is probably less than ideal. The real question imo is how you couldn't be worried about it.

If you are actually worried about that, you should be even more concerned with a much more ubiquitous, stronger (more raw energy output) and more energetic (more energy per particle) source of energy bombarding you, the Earth, the wildlife and really anything all days, such source is billions of years old and it's the bane of existence during summer, what is it called? Oh right, it's the Sun.

 

[lysan]

Again, you statements were too vague to even be falsifiable statements other than cellphones are a health risk (which is simply false).

Well, I don’t know at what level your education is, however here are something to read and study.

Active Denial System - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Brain tumour risk in relation to mobile telephone use: results of the INTERPHONE international case-control study - PubMed

Overall, no increase in risk of glioma or meningioma was observed with use of mobile phones. There were suggestions of an increased risk of glioma at the highest exposure levels, but biases and error prevent a causal interpretation. The possible effects of long-term heavy use of mobile phones...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Multifocal Breast Cancer in Young Women with Prolonged Contact between Their Breasts and Their Cellular Phones - PMC

Breast cancer occurring in women under the age of 40 is uncommon in the absence of family history or genetic predisposition, and prompts the exploration of other possible exposures or environmental risks. We report a case series of four young ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health

Repeated Wi-Fi studies show that Wi-Fi causes oxidative stress, sperm/testicular damage, neuropsychiatric effects including EEG changes, apoptosis, ce…

www.sciencedirect.com

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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/15368378.2014.971959?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

EPA Recommendations and Reports on Cell Phones, Radiofrequency and Electromagnetic Fields - Environmental Health Trust

ehtrust.org

Now that is just a small amount of studies done on RF, do some digging on your own, if reading is hard, I know young people don’t like to read, here is a video.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Now up to 2 confirmed cases in San Fernando General, Tower, floor 17.
Doubling in 24 hours. Not reported. Not on any world map tool. Denied in local press. Medical documents that specify Covid-19 are leaked on social media.

In other places, they isolate. Here, we have Carnival during outbreaks. Remember that mayor in Jaws? Keep the beach open.
One of those is a winning strategy. The other is championed by idiots. Idiots threaten all our lives.
They are, have been, and will be a worse threat to humans than any virus. Because they are marginally smarter.

I figured out why my ribs are hurting. Not the virus.

The idiots.

 

[Patrick_68000]

France manufactures tens of millions of masks.

This will at least avoid speculation.

Indeed with the shortage the masks are sold 10 times more expensive (when found).

 

[WeComeInPeace]

I figured out why my ribs are hurting. Not the virus.

That's the best news I've read in a month!

Still, take care.

Infection Prevention and Control (IPC) in the context of COVID-19

This course provides information on what facilities should be doing to be prepared to respond to a case of an emerging respiratory virus such as the novel coronavirus, how to identify a case once it occurs, and how to properly implement IPC measures to ensure there is no further transmission to...

openwho.org

I saw today that one case popped up in Brazil, together with the Carnival.

 

[Morbad]

Mega cities are a death trap, a perfect place to keep everybody under control, and radiate everyone with whatever they got installed. Think cell towers, just remember 2.5Ghz is used in microwave ovens crank up the juice and voila!

Well, I don’t know at what level your education is, however here are something to read and study.

Active Denial System - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Brain tumour risk in relation to mobile telephone use: results of the INTERPHONE international case-control study - PubMed

Overall, no increase in risk of glioma or meningioma was observed with use of mobile phones. There were suggestions of an increased risk of glioma at the highest exposure levels, but biases and error prevent a causal interpretation. The possible effects of long-term heavy use of mobile phones...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Multifocal Breast Cancer in Young Women with Prolonged Contact between Their Breasts and Their Cellular Phones - PMC

Breast cancer occurring in women under the age of 40 is uncommon in the absence of family history or genetic predisposition, and prompts the exploration of other possible exposures or environmental risks. We report a case series of four young ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health

Repeated Wi-Fi studies show that Wi-Fi causes oxidative stress, sperm/testicular damage, neuropsychiatric effects including EEG changes, apoptosis, ce…

www.sciencedirect.com

!

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/15368378.2014.971959?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

EPA Recommendations and Reports on Cell Phones, Radiofrequency and Electromagnetic Fields - Environmental Health Trust

ehtrust.org

Now that is just a small amount of studies done on RF, do some digging on your own, if reading is hard, I know young people don’t like to read, here is a video.

The scenario presented--one where people are deliberately and covertly exposed to microwave radiation to physically harm them in some manner, with telecommunications infrastructure, or anything that could resemble it--is not even vaguely plausible.

While there is some inconclusive evidence that having a microwave radio in close proximity to your head or genitals for protracted periods can be a health consideration, comparing a directed energy weapon to a cell tower is a poor analogy. The ADS is a purpose built weapon and needs ~100kW pulses to be effective in a 1.5m wide beam out to ~1km. This is hundreds of times the peak output of most microwave communications towers, and focused on a vastly tighter area.

Omnidirectional radio waves follow the inverse-square law....power drops off so fast with distance that you'd have to be in physical contact with a high-power microwave antenna or amplifier for it to do any damage over the short term and dramatic long term increases in output would both be very expensive (requiring hardware far more powerful than needed for telecommunications purposes as well as a lot of electricity) and would also produce very obvious and very illegal levels of interference with other communications.

Directional/point-to-point sources retain intensity at much greater distances, but they are also narrowly focused, and most used for communications are fixed and not pointed at the ground. The ones that can move are generally limited to tracking satellites. Even if you could point them at people, they'd be uselessly inefficient weapons. You'd still be receiving more microwave radiation from your phone, and it would still probably be doing next to nothing to you.

The air pollution in even fairly clean metropolitan area is going to be orders of magnitude more harmful than any amount of microwave radiation that could be inadvertently or deliberately produced by telecommunications.

 

[lysan]

The scenario presented--one where people are deliberately and covertly exposed to microwave radiation to physically harm them in some manner, with telecommunications infrastructure, or anything that could resemble it--is not even vaguely plausible.

While there is some inconclusive evidence that having a microwave radio in close proximity to your head or genitals for protracted periods can be a health consideration, comparing a directed energy weapon to a cell tower is a poor analogy. The ADS is a purpose built weapon and needs ~100kW pulses to be effective in a 1.5m wide beam out to ~1km. This is hundreds of times the peak output of most microwave communications towers, and focused on a vastly tighter area.

Omnidirectional radio waves follow the inverse-square law....power drops off so fast with distance that you'd have to be in physical contact with a high-power microwave antenna or amplifier for it to do any damage over the short term and dramatic long term increases in output would both be very expensive (requiring hardware far more powerful than needed for telecommunications purposes as well as a lot of electricity) and would also produce very obvious and very illegal levels of interference with other communications.

Directional/point-to-point sources retain intensity at much greater distances, but they are also narrowly focused, and most used for communications are fixed and not pointed at the ground. The ones that can move are generally limited to tracking satellites. Even if you could point them at people, they'd be uselessly inefficient weapons. You'd still be receiving more microwave radiation from your phone, and it would still probably be doing next to nothing to you.

The air pollution in even fairly clean metropolitan area is going to be orders of magnitude more harmful than any amount of microwave radiation that could be inadvertently or deliberately produced by telecommunications.

Well, several studies says otherwise, you can modify a cell phone to cook an egg,

however you are free to do what you want, I just don’t want to expose my family to RF radiation and that’s it.

back to numbers, Wuhan is around 8 million, London is around 8 million, virus is already in Europe, are you ready for chaos ?

The US will also be hit, it’s spreading fast, how long time can you stay at home without shopping for food and water? Maybe it’s time to at least make a plan.

 

[Chris Simon]

however you are free to do what you want, I just don’t want to expose my family to RF radiation and that’s it.

What are you gonna do? Build a cabin in Syberia and wrap it in tin foil?
Be real please.

 

[jasonbarron]

Well, several studies says otherwise, you can modify a cell phone to cook an egg,

however you are free to do what you want, I just don’t want to expose my family to RF radiation and that’s it.

back to numbers, Wuhan is around 8 million, London is around 8 million, virus is already in Europe, are you ready for chaos ?

The US will also be hit, it’s spreading fast, how long time can you stay at home without shopping for food and water? Maybe it’s time to at least make a plan.

To add to that a bit: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...pare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556
If that isn't foreshadowing a quarantine and the need for bulking up on basic supplies I don't know what is.

 

[WeComeInPeace]

Check the Dow in five minutes from now...

 

[Raino]

German health minister just called for all emergency forces to prepare ...

 

[jasonbarron]

German health minister just called for all emergency forces to prepare ...

The head of the CDC in America just made the announcement to the population that "the time to begin preparing is right now."

I'm no longer worried about the virus itself, ironically. Our government's over reaction and the inevitable mob of pitchfork and torch bearing blame layers is now my primary concern. Time to stock up on toilet paper and deodorant.

 

[Chris Simon]

"In case of the apocalypse, it's not the apocalypse one should fear. It's other people." -NuSensei

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Well, I don’t know at what level your education is, however here are something to read and study.

Active Denial System - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Brain tumour risk in relation to mobile telephone use: results of the INTERPHONE international case-control study - PubMed

Overall, no increase in risk of glioma or meningioma was observed with use of mobile phones. There were suggestions of an increased risk of glioma at the highest exposure levels, but biases and error prevent a causal interpretation. The possible effects of long-term heavy use of mobile phones...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Multifocal Breast Cancer in Young Women with Prolonged Contact between Their Breasts and Their Cellular Phones - PMC

Breast cancer occurring in women under the age of 40 is uncommon in the absence of family history or genetic predisposition, and prompts the exploration of other possible exposures or environmental risks. We report a case series of four young ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health

Repeated Wi-Fi studies show that Wi-Fi causes oxidative stress, sperm/testicular damage, neuropsychiatric effects including EEG changes, apoptosis, ce…

www.sciencedirect.com

!

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/15368378.2014.971959?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

EPA Recommendations and Reports on Cell Phones, Radiofrequency and Electromagnetic Fields - Environmental Health Trust

ehtrust.org

Now that is just a small amount of studies done on RF, do some digging on your own, if reading is hard, I know young people don’t like to read, here is a video.

The first is a link to a system not even remotely comparable with radiocommunications, in frequency (95 Ghz vs 1-6 Ghz), intensity (you'll never feel any warming from the miliwatts of cellphone and Wi-Fi signals) and focus (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth are omnidirectional while ADS is focused on target).

The second is a link to a study whose methodology is an interview of uneducated and self-diagnosed brain cancer patients and to put the cherry on top, the conclusion shows you only read the paper title which is even more ironic given you are implying I don't like to read:

Overall, no increase in risk of glioma or meningioma was observed with use of mobile phones. There were suggestions of an increased risk of glioma at the highest exposure levels, but biases and error prevent a causal interpretation. The possible effects of long-term heavy use of mobile phones require further investigation.

The third link happens to be of a paper I've already read, as it turns out, it's hilariously flawed to the point of multiple refutations being available within ScienceDirect itself, I even have the PDFs. In general, the study suffered from cherrypicking, author bias, many cited studies have deficient statistical analysis and at last, no proper control and/or quantification of the exposure.

The fourth link regards safety limits of exposure based on plausible health effects, mind you, the list of plausible carcinogens is vast and includes some rather odd substances.

The last two are videos I'm not going to waste my time to watch.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Well, several studies says otherwise, you can modify a cell phone to cook an egg,

And you can modify a bug zapper to kill people, then again, you only cited two studies, one being dubious at best and the other one concluding what we've been telling you for the last two pages.

I just don’t want to expose my family to RF radiation and that’s it.

 

[ArchEmperor]

Wash your hands with soap and stay at home for a couple of weeks. It will pass just like every flu every year.

People die all the time. We all die eventually. Just stay calm. There is nowhere to run from death.

And now it is over.