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Well, several studies says otherwise, you can modify a cell phone to cook an egg

The two studies you've linked say no observed increased risk and that it's not possible to infer causality from their observations, respectively. As of today, I have not seen a single credible study or peer-reviewed paper that claims to have conclusive evidence of non-thermal microwave induced pathology in humans.

You are also confusing thermal and non-thermal mechanisms.

Cooking an egg with a modified phone is an example of thermal effects that cannot be achieved on a person because a person is too big and cooled too well by their circulatory system for anything less than extremely focused and/or extremely high power microwaves to produce (such as the ADS weapon you mentioned, which only works because it's both extremely focused, both in area and wavelength, and phenomenally high power). Water has a huge thermal capacity and takes a correspondingly massive amount of energy to heat. The thermal effects of microwaves are also no different from the thermal effects of anything else that would increase temperature by the same amount. If low-level thermal effects from microwaves could hurt you, then drinking warm drinks, taking a warm bath, or exercising, would be correspondingly more harmful.

There is some credible evidence for the potential of non-thermal levels of microwave radiation being able to cause harm, but human pathology is still inconclusive. The range at which these effects are possible is quite low, due to that inverse square-law. Even studies that show evidence of damage from chronic exposure at ~80m can use control groups at ~300m, because the the intensity has fallen off by eight fold.

however you are free to do what you want, I just don’t want to expose my family to RF radiation and that’s it.

You can't avoid it and there is zero rational reason to make doing so a priority. The only credible mechanisms of harm proposed would be vastly more applicable to one's own portable wireless devices, which are often kept in near physical contact, than any number or size of telecommunications towers, except at extremely close range.

If you want to play it safe by not living directly next to a base station or tower when it can be avoided, that's rational. However, thinking that RF radiation would even be on a list of the top hundred concerns of living in a city, or that communications RF could be weaponized against the populace of one, are not.
 
Good news Everyone.

Iran's Deputy Minister of Health, the same guy who denied there were any cases, is now sick. Tested positive today. He was last seen in public, sweating and sickly claiming that the outbreak was "under control".

Karma.
He will be replaced by a better man.
 
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Good news Everyone.

Iran's Deputy Minister of Health, the same guy who denied there were any cases, is now sick. Tested positive today.

Karma.
He will be replaced by a better man.
It's tragic. I don't wish for anyone to get infected.

I am convinced that even positive, he continues to deny.

:D
Yes he does. That's what he's been told to do and he probably believes it's the right thing to do. And yes, that was exceptionally stupid, and the way they tackle it is very dangerous.

Yesterday 4 new countries. Today 7. All continents except Antarctica (yet). More new cases per day outside China, than inside. This is now a full blown pandemic with a current doubling time of less than 4 days. Calling it anything else is pure semantics. It's possible to slow the rate, but only if you lower contacts between susceptible and infected.
 
Difficult.

Many people are infected but have no symptoms.
That's not what I mean. Patients can be contagious for up to 3 weeks without showing symptoms. That's impossible to control on patient basis. What you can do is limit contacts between people. No rock concerts. No "pleasure" holidays. No school, no public transport. Basically no unnecessary contacts. That's the only way to slow it down, but it will slow down the everything we depend upon considerably as well. And this is not something that is over in a couple of months. It will be swift if we don't isolate, but it will still hit most of us if we do. It will just buy us time. Question is whether we can afford to close everything down that way. Personally I seriously doubt it.
 
That's not what I mean. Patients can be contagious for up to 3 weeks without showing symptoms. That's impossible to control on patient basis. What you can do is limit contacts between people. No rock concerts. No "pleasure" holidays. No school, no public transport. Basically no unnecessary contacts. That's the only way to slow it down, but it will slow down the everything we depend upon considerably as well. And this is not something that is over in a couple of months. It will be swift if we don't isolate, but it will still hit most of us if we do. It will just buy us time. Question is whether we can afford to close everything down that way. Personally I seriously doubt it.
It is really a random policy that is currently applied.

We remove or postpone sports events, cultural events, we close public places and at the same time we do exactly the opposite.

Tonight for the football match Lyon / Juventus, 3000 Italians were injected into a stadium of 50000 people in France.

And in Ireland they postpone the rugby match Ireland - Italy

Understands who wants to understand.

🤷‍♂️
 
Good news Everyone.

Iran's Deputy Minister of Health, the same guy who denied there were any cases, is now sick. Tested positive today. He was last seen in public, sweating and sickly claiming that the outbreak was "under control".

Karma.
He will be replaced by a better man.
So much for the staunch defender of the Hippocratic Oath. I wish this on nobody.
 
That's not what I mean. Patients can be contagious for up to 3 weeks without showing symptoms. That's impossible to control on patient basis. What you can do is limit contacts between people. No rock concerts. No "pleasure" holidays. No school, no public transport. Basically no unnecessary contacts. That's the only way to slow it down, but it will slow down the everything we depend upon considerably as well. And this is not something that is over in a couple of months. It will be swift if we don't isolate, but it will still hit most of us if we do. It will just buy us time. Question is whether we can afford to close everything down that way. Personally I seriously doubt it.
I agree that limiting exposure is probably wise, but let's face it: this is happening. You, me and everyone else is probably going to have deal with it at some point. Just hope that it rages and burns out like a wildfire because the way it looks now I'm thinking it's going to wind up being seasonal and reoccurring.
 

Economic impact discussed here.
There seems to be 2 main factors, the global recession caused by the response to the virus, and the underlying instability of the debt fuelled US Stock Market.
The correction so far is driven by fear over the first.

When the fear of the second starts, the correction may well be 3 times bigger, or more. People will have to first lose confidence in Fed money printing.ie in the currency itself, not the practise. For it to become percieved as futile, we have to see inflation.

Watch for rising value of competing currencies first.
 
I agree that limiting exposure is probably wise, but let's face it: this is happening. You, me and everyone else is probably going to have deal with it at some point. Just hope that it rages and burns out like a wildfire because the way it looks now I'm thinking it's going to wind up being seasonal and reoccurring.
We need to slow it down. Otherwise the death toll could be serious. CFR outside China does not look good, and it's still very uncertain. It could seem like an option to just "get it over with", but that would overburden the hospitals, and up to 20% will need hospitalization. It's a matter of slowing the spread, so that we can keep up with the new cases. There is no treatment, but in some cases giving patients oxygen etc. can be vital. Some of the newly infected countries are not rich, and the WHO delegation that just came back from China, were astonished by how well prepared, organized and capable the Chinese system was. I no longer doubt that they have slowed the spread. Question is if EU and US can. Good luck to Pakistan, India, Brazil, Iran,...

Watch for rising value of competing currencies first.
Watch for rising gold prices and plummeting stocks. It's pretty bad timing having the interest rate sub zero already. A financial collapse has been inevitable for some time, but that in itself could be very bad. Perfect storm.
 
He never said he wished.

:)

Perhaps it's my fault for using sloppy construction. I don't want him sick, I want him replaced because he is a threat.

The karma though, is remarkable. It won't cure the authoritarian need to lie, but if it sickens the lying authoritarians, the utility is satisfied. It may not kill the man.

But it totally crucifies the lies that it's all "under control". That is burned to the ground.

I look forward to much more replacements of this type. Nothing like a sudden collision with sharp reality.
 
We need to slow it down. Otherwise the death toll could be serious.

Very much so. To have medical facilities optimized, we want it as slow as possible.
But that worsens the economic impact, obviously.

On the bright side, humans don't get to decide.

Watch for rising gold prices and plummeting stocks. It's pretty bad timing having the interest rate sub zero already. A financial collapse has been inevitable for some time, but that in itself could be very bad. Perfect storm.

Looking way past that. It is already in progress, so what happens next? Can the fake economy still be propped up by Fed printing, repo market injection, and liquidity flow into the markets? Because that is the only trick they have left, interest rates are bottomed out.

I agree that gold will rise. But not as a haven from stocks, as a haven from the currency. One cannot print without dropping the value.

The bond yield curve has inflected, a harbinger of a crashing economy.
I foresee a cascading series of implosions, a la Lehman Bros. Everything we knew may change: China cannot continue as everybody's factory, and the USD is an unreliable global currency.

Going forward, companies are going to strategically relocate to 2 or more hubs to do manufacturing out of China. Seriously. SARS v 3 is yet to arrive.

Her economy is going to shrink, but India may emerge as a winner. What currency is going to emerge? Trump's Fed has debased the value of the USD and he severely wounded the DOJ that brought respectability to international transactions in NYC. Something free of these kinds of depradations and international in scope does not exist.

Invent it! And be forever rich!
 
We need to slow it down. Otherwise the death toll could be serious. CFR outside China does not look good, and it's still very uncertain. It could seem like an option to just "get it over with", but that would overburden the hospitals, and up to 20% will need hospitalization. It's a matter of slowing the spread, so that we can keep up with the new cases. There is no treatment, but in some cases giving patients oxygen etc. can be vital. Some of the newly infected countries are not rich, and the WHO delegation that just came back from China, were astonished by how well prepared, organized and capable the Chinese system was. I no longer doubt that they have slowed the spread. Question is if EU and US can. Good luck to Pakistan, India, Brazil, Iran,...
I agree that we need to slow it down. That's why I opened with "I agree that limiting exposure is probably wise."
 
Take care out there. All of you.

It's not the end of the World, and chances of survival is pretty good. Right now "daily R0" is below 1 globally where it should be, and the number of active cases is dropping, but that's mostly because of China. There will be a large jump in the numbers the next days/weeks, but that is mostly because it's spreading below the radar before it becomes visible. Once it rears it's ugly face, that will hopefully change. That is if every country in the World can work together for once. Nothing unites humans as a common enemy.🤞
 
What are you gonna do? Build a cabin in Syberia and wrap it in tin foil?
Be real please.
Nope, we got one room, our bedroom made as a faraday cage inside the walls, we don’t have WiFi, all is wired, even my surveillance cameras are wired, and I monitor the levels. So I can say we’re covered.
 
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