new asian bear not formosan name changeI’m confused, do people want a new Asian Black Bear or do they just want the name of the Formosan to change? Cause these are 2 very different topics.
european brown bear would have different gameplay since its found on a different continent so if you actually care about foliage the habitats would look different from the Himalayan or the grizzly.My bet is just having an animal called asiatic black bear or european brown bear, it must pain this group of people to see formosan or Himalayan bear notifications or listing in the market. I can't see how it's really a problem since you can just make a custom sign but I've seen this argument for years.
The notifications only pan me if I am actively pretending one animal is another otherwise I dont care and use both bears as intended.
The thing is pretending looks different for everyone for me I just cant pretend one as animal is another going down taxonomically ie species to subspecies I can occasionally but if the go to the effort to specify the subspecies I just cant knowingly pretend its not that animal.I agree though I can’t see why someone can’t just use a species as another when the species they are pretending to be there looks literally the exact same. It doesn’t feel like a big ticket issue for something like the Asian black bear.
yeah they clearly use the iucn as their main source of info for ranges and likely taxonomy but the monarch is not native to oceania and this should at least be noted in the zoopedia especially since continents it has shown up in small numbers naturally such as africa dont have it as part of its native range.Monarchs aren't established in Africa to my knowledge, though occasional vagrants show up.
I had a look at what the IUCN Red List map for the monarch looked like, given Frontier usually bases their Zoopedia map on that to my knowledge, and this might be the reason:
Basically, the IUCN considers the monarch "native" to its exotic range for the sake of its assessment given it spread there naturally rather than being deliberately introduced, even though it only manages to survive in these regions because its food plants are invasive weeds introduced by humans. Still, as it says, the monarch is only really native to the Americas and isn't much better of a representative for Oceania or tropical Asia than any other exotic species is.
Just out of interest, here's a cool map of the spread of monarchs into the Asia-Pacific region:
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The subspecies debate especially around more commonly known animals will go on forever.The never ending battle between wanting subspecies and wanting general species. Doesn't matter what is featured ingame, people want that animal not this animal. I really really hope that we don't get the asiatic black bear since the main argument for it is a general name change, we could get a tree kangaroo, lion tailed macaque or a blackbuck - nah lets get a black bear we already have because the name is more appealing.
For me if I want to build a habitat for a mainland asian black bear I just cant, it hurts me to pretend one animal is another I just cant do it even if they are as visually similar as the formosan and mainland asian black bear because in my mind all I can think about is how this is not what its was frontier intended.
To be clear I dont hate the formosan bear or want it replaced its good as its own animal but in my mind it can never be a mainland asian black bear maybe if it was the other way round I would be fine since in general pretending a general species is a subspecies is easier for me but I know for some people even that is impossible.
I also agree that adding they asian black bear is a wasted slot since very few people would get anything from its inclusion and even then it will be minimal so unless we are getting another 5+ years of support it can stay out of the game
you clearly missed the superior optionHabitat birds have gotten a lot more talk after the swan, but no matter the votes, nothing comes close to this guy. Who wouldn't want such an amazing icon.
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Excuse me what?
Ducks are ubiquitous zoo animals, there are like 5 species of duck in the top 50 most common zoo animals alone on zootierliste.
I mean sure mallards will often chill out at zoos, but there are PLENTY of species intentionally kept there aswell
Where im from purposeful duck habitats just arent a thing they are in almost every zoo but as wild residents of another animals enclosure so the dont feel like zoo animals to me but they are definitely important to the atmosphere of a zoo.Idk what zoos your going to, but allmost every zoo ive been to had some wild ducks yes, but also atleast 3 exotic ones and also the "wild" ones signed out.
They are also allways allways allways present in the habitats for pelikans and flamingos, often in larger numbers then them.
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