Spring dlc Speculation 2023

jcp011c

jcp011c
DarthQuell said:
Y'all, what about an Avian animal pack we had discussed about before?

7 habitat birds and possibly 5 WE birds?

If that's the case, then here's what I propose:
  1. Pelican - any species will do
  2. Secretary bird - would be our 1st raptor in the game and great for African sections
  3. Southern screamer - I've seen these in open enclosures. They have crazy sounds
  4. Whooping crane - an endangered Texas species of crane
  5. Scarlet ibis - a beautiful bird for South American banks
  6. Mallard - there are way better ducks, but for "iconic-ness" and versatility, these
  7. Helmeted guineafowl - basically the African chicken (not really). The blue color is quite nice
  8. And for the WEs one of the following:
    1. Small parrots
      1. Rainbow lorikeet
      2. Budgerigar
      3. Sun conure
      4. Lovebird
      5. Quaker parrot
    2. Large parrots
      1. Scarlet macaw
      2. Hyacinth macaw
      3. Blue-and-yellow macaw
      4. African grey parrot
      5. Military macaw
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I think it's still possible, but feeling less and less likely to me for some reason I can't explain. This is a good pack as well, though I'd definitely change out the Guineafowl or Mallard for the Shoebill, personally.

While on the subject of Aviaries, I'd also be totally okay with an a non-habitat aviary pack, either for Walkthrough or non-Walkthrough Exhibits:
2 each of:
Eagles
Owls
Toucans
Hornbills
Cockatoos
Woodpeckers

4 of Macaws

Or 2 Macaws and 2 Kingfishers if it must be.

I'm just going on the options that we could potentially get 2 of each type of bird, while giving us 4 Macaws if possible
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
DarthQuell said:
Y'all, what about an Avian animal pack we had discussed about before?

7 habitat birds and possibly 5 WE birds?

If that's the case, then here's what I propose:
  1. Pelican - any species will do
  2. Secretary bird - would be our 1st raptor in the game and great for African sections
  3. Southern screamer - I've seen these in open enclosures. They have crazy sounds
  4. Whooping crane - an endangered Texas species of crane
  5. Scarlet ibis - a beautiful bird for South American banks
  6. Mallard - there are way better ducks, but for "iconic-ness" and versatility, these
  7. Helmeted guineafowl - basically the African chicken (not really). The blue color is quite nice
  8. And for the WEs one of the following:
    1. Small parrots
      1. Rainbow lorikeet
      2. Budgerigar
      3. Sun conure
      4. Lovebird
      5. Quaker parrot
    2. Large parrots
      1. Scarlet macaw
      2. Hyacinth macaw
      3. Blue-and-yellow macaw
      4. African grey parrot
      5. Military macaw
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That's a great idea, but I still don't believe we'll ever get a bird only pack unless it's an actual aviary pack
 

SalamAnders

SalamAnders
DarthQuell said:
Y'all, what about an Avian animal pack we had discussed about before?

7 habitat birds and possibly 5 WE birds?

If that's the case, then here's what I propose:
  1. Pelican - any species will do
  2. Secretary bird - would be our 1st raptor in the game and great for African sections
  3. Southern screamer - I've seen these in open enclosures. They have crazy sounds
  4. Whooping crane - an endangered Texas species of crane
  5. Scarlet ibis - a beautiful bird for South American banks
  6. Mallard - there are way better ducks, but for "iconic-ness" and versatility, these
  7. Helmeted guineafowl - basically the African chicken (not really). The blue color is quite nice
  8. And for the WEs one of the following:
    1. Small parrots
      1. Rainbow lorikeet
      2. Budgerigar
      3. Sun conure
      4. Lovebird
      5. Quaker parrot
    2. Large parrots
      1. Scarlet macaw
      2. Hyacinth macaw
      3. Blue-and-yellow macaw
      4. African grey parrot
      5. Military macaw
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That habitat bird lineup is really good
 

Ozian

O
I noticed that updates were happening on Steam Database today, which when I checked the last few weekends hadn’t been happening. I noticed with the last few DLC’s when weekend work starts it’s getting closer. Always gets me excited to see it. What date does everyone predict for announcement and launch?
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
Ozian said:
I noticed that updates were happening on Steam Database today, which when I checked the last few weekends hadn’t been happening. I noticed with the last few DLC’s when weekend work starts it’s getting closer. Always gets me excited to see it. What date does everyone predict for announcement and launch?
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Still low level updates for now, likely early April before Easter for a release as the current predictions are estimating. The depot file to watch is the outsource_iqa as that's seems to be the indicator a dlc is upcoming
 

nutrit

nutrit
Perfect Birds animal pack that would satisfy my basic needs would be:

Great white Pelican - Europe
Shoebill - Africa
Gray crowned crane - Africa
Secretary Bird - Africa
Greather Rhea - SA
Ground shoebill - Africa
Great Malayan Argus - Asia

WE:
Hyacinth Macaw
Toco Toucan
Bald Eagle
Snowy Owl
Scarlet ibis

Other essential birds:
Saddle billed stork
Marabou stork
Reeves’s pheasant
Black swan
Mandarin duck
Guinea fowl
Roseate Spoonbill
 

Angeł

Angeł
nutrit said:
Perfect Birds animal pack that would satisfy my basic needs would be:

Great white Pelican - Europe
Shoebill - Africa
Gray crowned crane - Africa
Secretary Bird - Africa
Greather Rhea - SA
Ground shoebill - Africa
Great Malayan Argus - Asia

WE:
Hyacinth Macaw
Toco Toucan
Bald Eagle
Snowy Owl
Scarlet ibis

Other essential birds:
Saddle billed stork
Marabou stork
Reeves’s pheasant
Black swan
Mandarin duck
Guinea fowl
Roseate Spoonbill
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How come you’d put the Scarlet Ibis in the Walkthrough Exhibit? I think they’d work PERFECTLY as habitat animals. Much like the Red Crowned Crane and Greater Flamingo, these birds can fly but are mainly waders. They spend a LOT of time moving about, wading and walking and in zoos will only really fly to reach high perches. I’ve seen them before in open habitats I’m sure. I think they are one of our best options for habitat birds, as well as the Victoria Crowned Pigeon!
 

nutrit

nutrit
missconception said:
How come you’d put the Scarlet Ibis in the Walkthrough Exhibit? I think they’d work PERFECTLY as habitat animals. Much like the Red Crowned Crane and Greater Flamingo, these birds can fly but are mainly waders. They spend a LOT of time moving about, wading and walking and in zoos will only really fly to reach high perches. I’ve seen them before in open habitats I’m sure. I think they are one of our best options for habitat birds, as well as the Victoria Crowned Pigeon!
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Not really actually. In all the zoo’s that I have ever visited or seen they were always in the closed aviaries but anybody correct me if I’m wrong.
Plus they are tiny so in my opinion only WE for them.

Also there is a tendency right now in a zoo world to avoid trimming “wings” as actually it’s barbaric practice and in the zoos that really care for their birds even flamingos are presented in closed aviaries.

In Hellabrunn flamingos we’re in the open exibit for decades and recently they have received their own aviary and nobody trims them.

I loved watching birds in open aviaries until I’ve realized how horrible it is for them not be able to fly. Open aviaries give the very wrong impression of birds living their best free life but actually it is not true. I think especially now we have to think bigger and avoid that kind of practices and think what would be the best for the animals and not us - guests.

I don’t know what do you guys think about that but I fully support this trend.

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arafan

A
missconception said:
How come you’d put the Scarlet Ibis in the Walkthrough Exhibit? I think they’d work PERFECTLY as habitat animals. Much like the Red Crowned Crane and Greater Flamingo, these birds can fly but are mainly waders. They spend a LOT of time moving about, wading and walking and in zoos will only really fly to reach high perches. I’ve seen them before in open habitats I’m sure. I think they are one of our best options for habitat birds, as well as the Victoria Crowned Pigeon!
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I asked me the same about why so many people put them as habitat species. The most times I've seen ibises they were perched up in trees or wading in the water. If done right, I think that they could be great for the WE.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
nutrit said:
Perfect Birds animal pack that would satisfy my basic needs would be:

Great white Pelican - Europe
Shoebill - Africa
Gray crowned crane - Africa
Secretary Bird - Africa
Greather Rhea - SA
Ground shoebill - Africa
Great Malayan Argus - Asia

WE:
Hyacinth Macaw
Toco Toucan
Bald Eagle
Snowy Owl
Scarlet ibis

Other essential birds:
Saddle billed stork
Marabou stork
Reeves’s pheasant
Black swan
Mandarin duck
Guinea fowl
Roseate Spoonbill
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I think it's a wonderful list! I'd add a hornbill in there somewhere, Walkthrough, and several more Macaws - but I would be so happy with this. I have to look at my wants to realize that I've got 7 mammals and 2 reptiles I really want, and if everything else was all birds I would be 100% fine.
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
nutrit said:
Not really actually. In all the zoo’s that I have ever visited or seen they were always in the closed aviaries but anybody correct me if I’m wrong.
Plus they are tiny so in my opinion only WE for them.

Also there is a tendency right now in a zoo world to avoid trimming “wings” as actually it’s barbaric practice and in the zoos that really care for their birds even flamingos are presented in closed aviaries.

In Hellabrunn flamingos we’re in the open exibit for decades and recently they have received their own aviary and nobody trims them.

I loved watching birds in open aviaries until I’ve realized how horrible it is for them not be able to fly. Open aviaries give the very wrong impression of birds living their best free life but actually it is not true. I think especially now we have to think bigger and avoid that kind of practices and think what would be the best for the animals and not us - guests.

I don’t know what do you guys think about that but I fully support this trend.
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Habitat isn’t the same as open necessarily, just as WT isn’t the same as enclosed… it’s perfectly easy to make an aviary cover (like in your pictures) for habitats and it’s easy to have null walls for WT.
 

Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
With regards to ibises, I can see both sides but err towards making them habitat animals. I can only find one image showing an open-topped enclosure for scarlet ibises, where they are mixed with flamingos and Northern screamers, at a zoo in Colombia:

Flamingo enclosure, March 2016 - ZooChat

Shared with scarlet ibis and black-necked screamer. Photo taken on the 26th March 2016.
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While scarlet ibises seem to be kept almost entirely within aviaries, the almost identically-sized sacred ibis is kept in open-topped enclosures quite a lot outside its native range. Here are some examples:
France:
An African plain, mixed with giraffe, zebra, sable antelope, blesbok, white stork and pelican: https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/the-african-plain.51877/
A Madagascar exhibit, mixed with ring-tailed and ruffed lemurs and whistling ducks: https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/maki-catta-park-the-lemurs-exhibit.51875/
A pond mixed with pelicans, crowned cranes, storks, geese and ducks: https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/white-pelicans-pond.139063/

Spain:
An African plain, mixed with giraffe, three antelope species, storks, ducks and guineafowl: https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/main-savannah-at-bioparc-valencia-28-05-11.149189/

Czech Republic:
An African paddock, mixed with two antelope species, crowned cranes and geese: https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/african-paddock-at-zlin-28-05-10.101442/

United States:
A mixed display with flamingos, spoonbills and openbill storks: https://www.zoochat.com/community/m...d-stork-spoonbill-sacred-ibis-exhibit.135515/
A paddock mixed with black rhinos: https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/rivers-edge-black-rhino-sacred-ibis-exhibit.113586/

If you use sacred ibis as a point of concept, there probably isn't anything preventing scarlet ibises from being kept in open-topped displays. While they do spend a lot of time perched (something that I guess could be encouraged with special enrichment items, for example a special perching tree), these birds do also spend a lot of time walking on the ground and in shallow water. It would definitely make the ibis feel like a more interactive species if it were a habitat animal than just moving on a loop in a walkthrough exhibit.
 

BananaLeech

B
Dear heavens, seems like the argument about ibises being fit for habitat or aviary animals. It is interesting when most people are heckbent on animal realism, but the fact that ibis are predominantly kept in covered aviaries seem to be an exception. The fact that ibises perch at any given moment and that they nest above ground is dismissed because ibis are wading birds is pretty ludicrous.

Now for the examples of sacred ibises given by Cynogale benetti, they are interesting. However the number of these examples is small compared to the number of closed top ibis aviaries. Not to mention these examples are pretty old with the most recent posts being from 2011.
 
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