Spring dlc Speculation 2023
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What @KönigDerKaffeebohnen said 
People really have to massively tone down their expectations when it comes to the 5 exhibit animals thing. Butterflies can be done quite easily and quickly because they are the definition of an animal that is just a reskin, aka, a different texture. On top of that, there are several people who collect dead butterflies, so they're quite easy to find references for. That doesn't mean it doesn't take time or effort to make a new species, but immensely drastically less time than for instance marmosets and tamarins would, as some have suggested earlier.
The fact that multiple butterflies can be done for a lower budget is far from the case for 99% of the other animals out there, so unless the next DLC goes for butterflies again, it is very much safe to say that we're going to get a single exhibit animal.
People really have to massively tone down their expectations when it comes to the 5 exhibit animals thing. Butterflies can be done quite easily and quickly because they are the definition of an animal that is just a reskin, aka, a different texture. On top of that, there are several people who collect dead butterflies, so they're quite easy to find references for. That doesn't mean it doesn't take time or effort to make a new species, but immensely drastically less time than for instance marmosets and tamarins would, as some have suggested earlier.
The fact that multiple butterflies can be done for a lower budget is far from the case for 99% of the other animals out there, so unless the next DLC goes for butterflies again, it is very much safe to say that we're going to get a single exhibit animal.
It's really surprising so many people think this whole 5 exhibit animals can mean 5 totally different animals which require new rigs for each one. Butterflies are like slap a different skin and it's a different animal not making an entire new model. I can guess these amounts of exhibit animals will be restricted to animal packs due to a higher workload making 5 different skins
Probably not 5 different parrots, but a pack with 2 macaws as WE should be enough. Only 1 new rig with 2 skins, or even 3 or 4, but that's really unprobable, people want more variety, but the macaw family is really extense, so for me wouldn't be a problem. Also, dragonflies still have an oportunity, no? Tiger, demoiselle, common, the dragonflies would be a really cool inclusion.
I can see 5 macaws as a WE animal too by all means. It can be recoloured (well not like tapir hopefully
) with the same animations. It all about choices anyway.But from what they've done in Zoo Tycoon Xbox, I can imagine implementation of
Scarlet Macaw
Blue and yellow Macaw
Military Macaw
Hyacinth Macaw
Blue throated Macaw
I was thinking Great Green Macaw as well but it's too identical to military Macaw, unless the Devs are gonna be generous
I doubt sound design is going to be the big deal breaker here. Sure, it is a layer there wasn't there with the butterflies, but if they can go and find a sound for one lorikeet species then they can probably also find one for another species, without it taking a massive amount of time. There are plenty of resources online for birdcalls after all.
And when they added chorus behavior they also added new sounds for multiple species at once.
I don't know how much longer it takes to make a bird ''clone'' over a butterfly, but I could imagine it takes more effort. But nobody is saying the magical number has to be 5 at once always. Getting two similar birds at once is already a major improvement over getting just one.
And when they added chorus behavior they also added new sounds for multiple species at once.
I don't know how much longer it takes to make a bird ''clone'' over a butterfly, but I could imagine it takes more effort. But nobody is saying the magical number has to be 5 at once always. Getting two similar birds at once is already a major improvement over getting just one.
Zoos keep dragonflies? That's a new one I've heard of since they can be a bit Vicious in my experience
I don´t know if people can be inside with them, but i know the San Diego Zoo has some of them
Oh yeah I forget about those, they keep them in the walkthrough butterfly house. Could be a certain ratio of male dragonflies since most aggressive dragonflies in my experience are males that seem to fight just a little too hard in the wild. Anyways yeah dragonflies could make a nice wetland style butterfly house
Walkthroughs with multiple species can definitely work if the animals are similar enough. Having a macaw WE with scarlet, great green, red and green, blue and yellow, and blue throated would basically be reskins for the most part. They could stretch It a bit more by including some other macaw species that would need more work such as hyacinth or some conures as well but I wouldn't expect any more than that personally.
Not only I'm not expecting to get 5 WE animals again, but also I'm not expecting to get another WE in the next pack. What I think we'll get next is a return to a normal exhibit animal, hopefully the chameleon or cobra since they are iconic and very popular, with them being at the top of the meta-wishlist
That is true, but in the case of the parrots I had mentioned, there wouldn't need to be many tweaks. Macaws would be the largest, followed by the African gray, the sulfur-crested cockatoo, and the eclectus parrot. Different sizes shouldn't be too much of an issue, methinks. On top of that, most of the models will need a tweak here and there; as we've seen with models in the past, like the hyena and binturong, a few tweaks will look good, as long as it's done right. And as @SalamAnders said, bird sounds are not difficult to find compared to, say, a striped skunk.What @KönigDerKaffeebohnen said
People really have to massively tone down their expectations when it comes to the 5 exhibit animals thing. Butterflies can be done quite easily and quickly because they are the definition of an animal that is just a reskin, aka, a different texture. On top of that, there are several people who collect dead butterflies, so they're quite easy to find references for. That doesn't mean it doesn't take time or effort to make a new species, but immensely drastically less time than for instance marmosets and tamarins would, as some have suggested earlier.
The fact that multiple butterflies can be done for a lower budget is far from the case for 99% of the other animals out there, so unless the next DLC goes for butterflies again, it is very much safe to say that we're going to get a single exhibit animal.
I agree with this. Back to the parrots, they'd really require color changes, alternate sounds, maybe a model tweak, but I'm general they'd use 1 rig. Am I correct on this?
I would say yes. Although for example, in case, let's say, that they are going to put macaws and toucans. The model would change especially in the head, and above all in the animations, but as such, the rig would be very similar, so surely yes.
Also, if macaws come to the game, i know for sure the first to come will be the blue-golden. The scarlet is typical, but the blue-golden is a freacking legend
Knowing frontier we would get the most obscure macaw there is
These changes between animals are not at all on the same level as a simple texture difference though, so no even though they can do some last minute tweaks to models, I would not at all put these on the same level as butterflies.
I really doubt they won't capitalize on the WEs for the next few packs. They are very well recieved and much more popular than the normal exhobits, plus they allow a lot more flexibilty.
As much as I want a python and chameleon I just don't think they are likely.
We got non aquatic exhibits after we got aquatic exhibits, so honestly, there's no reason to think we won't get normal exhibits again. Diving animals were well received as well, but it's not like every DLC so far has added more diving animals for instance. It's a tool in their ever expanding toolbox really.
Whatever they decide the next theme will be will be the deciding factor for what type of exhibit we'll get. And that doesn't have to be a walkthrough exhibit.
Is thinking a walkthrough exhibit with 5 different bird species very, very, VERY high expectations? Yes.
Would creating such a WE be more much complicated than butterflies? Yes.
Could we very well be setting yourselves up for disappointment? Yes.
Does being vocal and expressing a desire for flying birds on these forums, the subreddit, and YouTube comments encourage and incentivize Frontier to include them? YES.
Would creating such a WE be more much complicated than butterflies? Yes.
Could we very well be setting yourselves up for disappointment? Yes.
Does being vocal and expressing a desire for flying birds on these forums, the subreddit, and YouTube comments encourage and incentivize Frontier to include them? YES.
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