Okay thank you for the clarification. I d like to point out that long development isnt necessarily a sign of sloppy or bad work at all. Some games require that time and also deliver on it. There are a few examples where long development time only was the case because of sloppy work but thats certainly not always the case and shouldnt be assumed the moment we pass time x. A common misconception of the defenders who seem to think SC gets bashed for long development. The development time wouldnt even be important if the result would match the time involved. I guess everybody, even the most admant defenders realizes this which explains why so many react touchy on that.
When I first tapped back into SCs development it was past the 2014 timeline and I was eager to see what CIG managed. The result? Not much to be honest also the reasons given for that time havent been available at the time. Years later mostly fans like you have justified the first 2 years but CIG itself promoted the first 2 years as "hard at work and making progress" not "we are just proto-typing". It was still early and truth be told the scope and ambition really was staggering so I was more then willing to grant em more time as needed. But thats also the point of time where I got sucked into the toxic community part where simple innocent questions were enough to trigger a witch hunt and I couldnt present my view (regardless how polite) without being abused on a personal level. I observed CIG taking part in this punishing critical voices but allowing vicious retorts on their behalf.
While 8 years later the community has come up with plausible explanations as to "why" the first couple of years have not resulted in much work granting CIG a pass for that certainly is not logical or a given. Chris has stated that he "knew what to do" and he had a "plan to make it happen" in kickstarter. There was never a prototyping phase mentioned or that the first couple years would be used to "see what works".
If anything this speaks of a level of cluelessness and confusion that shouldnt be condoned and should rightfully be adressed.
Only that CIG itself didnt do that.....ever? All they did instead is praise their own progress, use hype-inflated terms to describe basic functionality to elevate it for the fans and they always extended the scope. In year 8 of its development CIG is still not done with the features constantly coming up with new ideas which the old foundation doesnt really planned for or is able to support. CIGs solution? Out with the old.....we present a NEW era (3.0 being the first time). Now you "can" accept this and forgive them this waste of time, hope and money but you "shouldnt". That CIG is throwing out/scrapping years of work and starts from zero is a reason but its not understandable and its going to be a black mark on SCs development. Because it speaks of a mindset and incompetence that is still here, still present. Its not like CIG learned from its mistakes. The community has given them multiple opportunities to learn from past mistakes. And they never really utilized them. They just continue to squander more time.
Has Chris Roberts ever come out to "clarify" cryengines limitations and admit to certain things not making it...in short....man up and be honest?
I dont think so. Its always the community which goes through heaves of toxic interaction and every inch of truth has to be claimed through gritted teeth and tears. Only when something simply cannot be denied does CIG come out and confirm what the people already know, albeit again....in a minimal fashion and often hidden in long monologues of propaganda videos. Or more then likely they simply remain silent and let their white knights pick up the defense. This is why the "most open development" phrase is so laughable when you take a good look from a distance.
That CIG was more optimistic then the situation or the scope warranted....its not like this is an opinion at this point. Its another fact because....duh....still no game. We are already past that and instead discuss the "why" in that fact. Chris Roberts claimed to be an industry veteran, knowing the ins and outs of programming and project management has even claimed to code certain aspects of Star Citizen himself.
Only that we know in hindsight that he never did because even the 2012 trailer, claimed to be his own work was created by Crytek for him.
So we do look at somebody who is very liberal with facts and truth and is more then willing to stretch interpretations in order to grant himself absolution from past mistakes. Many fans have the impression that Chris Roberts is a "good guy" who would never lie or cheat or pretend. But what we actually know about him and his life doesnt match that description at all. I m sure its different in Star Citizen tho
What CIG did learn over the years is the limitation of their fans and what they are willing to accept and the last 2 years especially have demonstrated very drastically what kind of behavior this almost limitless acceptance brings forth. They can charge almost anything they want, insane amounts of money and regardless what they do, they can hide bhehind their fans. Payment are a few words and some nice vistas.
That you dont agree with me was a given the moment you posted this in this thread. I wasnt under the illusion that I would be able to convince you. And even tho I respond directly to your post doesnt mean we can or will come to a census in this matter. I always welcome explanations and a bit more then simple 1-liners tho We agree to disagree might not be very satisfying but in regards to SC its the best we can get.
/cheerio and peace
When I first tapped back into SCs development it was past the 2014 timeline and I was eager to see what CIG managed. The result? Not much to be honest also the reasons given for that time havent been available at the time. Years later mostly fans like you have justified the first 2 years but CIG itself promoted the first 2 years as "hard at work and making progress" not "we are just proto-typing". It was still early and truth be told the scope and ambition really was staggering so I was more then willing to grant em more time as needed. But thats also the point of time where I got sucked into the toxic community part where simple innocent questions were enough to trigger a witch hunt and I couldnt present my view (regardless how polite) without being abused on a personal level. I observed CIG taking part in this punishing critical voices but allowing vicious retorts on their behalf.
While 8 years later the community has come up with plausible explanations as to "why" the first couple of years have not resulted in much work granting CIG a pass for that certainly is not logical or a given. Chris has stated that he "knew what to do" and he had a "plan to make it happen" in kickstarter. There was never a prototyping phase mentioned or that the first couple years would be used to "see what works".
If anything this speaks of a level of cluelessness and confusion that shouldnt be condoned and should rightfully be adressed.
Only that CIG itself didnt do that.....ever? All they did instead is praise their own progress, use hype-inflated terms to describe basic functionality to elevate it for the fans and they always extended the scope. In year 8 of its development CIG is still not done with the features constantly coming up with new ideas which the old foundation doesnt really planned for or is able to support. CIGs solution? Out with the old.....we present a NEW era (3.0 being the first time). Now you "can" accept this and forgive them this waste of time, hope and money but you "shouldnt". That CIG is throwing out/scrapping years of work and starts from zero is a reason but its not understandable and its going to be a black mark on SCs development. Because it speaks of a mindset and incompetence that is still here, still present. Its not like CIG learned from its mistakes. The community has given them multiple opportunities to learn from past mistakes. And they never really utilized them. They just continue to squander more time.
Has Chris Roberts ever come out to "clarify" cryengines limitations and admit to certain things not making it...in short....man up and be honest?
I dont think so. Its always the community which goes through heaves of toxic interaction and every inch of truth has to be claimed through gritted teeth and tears. Only when something simply cannot be denied does CIG come out and confirm what the people already know, albeit again....in a minimal fashion and often hidden in long monologues of propaganda videos. Or more then likely they simply remain silent and let their white knights pick up the defense. This is why the "most open development" phrase is so laughable when you take a good look from a distance.
That CIG was more optimistic then the situation or the scope warranted....its not like this is an opinion at this point. Its another fact because....duh....still no game. We are already past that and instead discuss the "why" in that fact. Chris Roberts claimed to be an industry veteran, knowing the ins and outs of programming and project management has even claimed to code certain aspects of Star Citizen himself.
Only that we know in hindsight that he never did because even the 2012 trailer, claimed to be his own work was created by Crytek for him.
So we do look at somebody who is very liberal with facts and truth and is more then willing to stretch interpretations in order to grant himself absolution from past mistakes. Many fans have the impression that Chris Roberts is a "good guy" who would never lie or cheat or pretend. But what we actually know about him and his life doesnt match that description at all. I m sure its different in Star Citizen tho
What CIG did learn over the years is the limitation of their fans and what they are willing to accept and the last 2 years especially have demonstrated very drastically what kind of behavior this almost limitless acceptance brings forth. They can charge almost anything they want, insane amounts of money and regardless what they do, they can hide bhehind their fans. Payment are a few words and some nice vistas.
That you dont agree with me was a given the moment you posted this in this thread. I wasnt under the illusion that I would be able to convince you. And even tho I respond directly to your post doesnt mean we can or will come to a census in this matter. I always welcome explanations and a bit more then simple 1-liners tho
We agree to disagree might not be very satisfying but in regards to SC its the best we can get./cheerio and peace
Ban was removed after my concierge Ticket