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Expurgated timeline of Squadron 42 progress:

2016 - July: CIG employee states, "I have played through every mission because I come from QA and it was my job to do so." (link)
2016 - August: "Roberts said that all of the game’s chapters and gameplay are at the “grey-box” level, which means that development is nearly complete, but the last set of assets aren’t included yet, and the developers want to give it a final polish. " (link)
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2020 - July: CIG announces a roadmap for the introduction of a new roadmap for Squadron 42. (link)

Comedy gold. You just can't make this stuff up.
It's almost like wanna-be film maker Chris Roberts is making his own version of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button Squadron 42.
 
Hold on. Do you really want someone to dig up the archives ? Because that's how you get someone to dig up the archives.

…and take note of how much the “completed” stuff is frivolous fripperies with little to no real gameplay purpose, or serving functions that have since become abandoned or otherweise pointless.
 

…and take note of how much the “completed” stuff is frivolous fripperies with little to no real gameplay purpose, or serving functions that have since become abandoned or otherweise pointless.
That tracker seems incomplete - no mention of seaweed, or bartenders ...
 
Your sentence is for Stuart, the young backers or for both ?
I'm referring to SC supporters. There's been a few, the latest one was in v11 who advertised CIG's accomplishments and SC progress. The usual counter arguments and pointing out of lies/holes/ineptiude by CIG ensued. Eventually the supporter offhandedly accused someone of not following SC development closely enough to know better. Later on the supporter was confrunted with evidence of flase statements by CIG (probably on a different subject) countering his own claims of how SC had progressed, he then claimed he hasn't been following the development that long, absolving himself of taking responsibility for his earlier pro SC propaganda.
 
Expurgated timeline of Squadron 42 progress:

2016 - July: CIG employee states, "I have played through every mission because I come from QA and it was my job to do so." (link)
2016 - August: "Roberts said that all of the game’s chapters and gameplay are at the “grey-box” level, which means that development is nearly complete, but the last set of assets aren’t included yet, and the developers want to give it a final polish. " (link)
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2020 - July: CIG announces a roadmap for the introduction of a new roadmap for Squadron 42. (link)

Comedy gold. You just can't make this stuff up.
It's almost like wanna-be film maker Chris Roberts is making his own version of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button Squadron 42.
it goes back even before that.

 
Nice thread, with white knights pulling all stops: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/i26b02/citizencon_2016_rant_while_drinking_beer/g02mbbg/?context=3

That "Bluegobln" citizen is really pulling the "you don't understand game development" on me haha. And starts comparing CiG with... SpaceX, of all things. Lots of entertainment, i cant be bothered to reply anymore (too deep in the Reddit tree..) but that gives you an idea of the convoluted reasoning they have to keep by now to continue supporting CiG and think they are doing a good job.
Like when i ask "Did spaceX trash their whole design entirely and start a completely different rocket after each "iteration" ?"
The reply is: "Did CIG with their ships? Nope."... Of course, the whole game development is about ships (*). Makes sense, in a way. Gives us a window on the expectation of this kind of people, as long as their 3D pixels are being delivered, it's ok, and we can call that "iterations".

(*) (edit) besides, they did redo each and every ship over again, a few times...
That guys sounds like his lives in a world of his own. The most blatant lie was the sandworm "already in game". More recent lie was the putting everything into developing SC or SQ depending on which one wasn't on the spotlight. If every resource was put on SC/SQ42, how did they make TOW?
 
it goes back even before that.

What always catch my eye in videos from CIG are the spaceship models. The money they spent getting them made, for what reason I don't know.
Did any backers get any models like that? It'll be pretty cool if they did, it'll be something tangible out of the project.
 
Perhaps a long time ago when the PTV and the PYR were not in.
It's like if I was claiming in Odyssey that FDev will remove the SRV where in fact FDev is just talking about a new FPS gun for Odyssey.

I start to understand a lot of things if your infos have those sort of 'accuracy'.

A greycat ROC
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A greycat PTV
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A greycat PYR with a mining module
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The card Stuart was talking about is about a cutting module for the PYR. It might be used to cut doors in FPS missions and perhaps boarding ships.

So, he confused two TLAs.

That certainly does not undermine years of following the project and does not warrant the "you don't follow development card"
 
Nice thread, with white knights pulling all stops: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/i26b02/citizencon_2016_rant_while_drinking_beer/g02mbbg/?context=3

That "Bluegobln" citizen is really pulling the "you don't understand game development" on me haha. And starts comparing CiG with... SpaceX, of all things. Lots of entertainment, i cant be bothered to reply anymore (too deep in the Reddit tree..) but that gives you an idea of the convoluted reasoning they have to keep by now to continue supporting CiG and think they are doing a good job.
Like when i ask "Did spaceX trash their whole design entirely and start a completely different rocket after each "iteration" ?"
The reply is: "Did CIG with their ships? Nope."... Of course, the whole game development is about ships (*). Makes sense, in a way. Gives us a window on the expectation of this kind of people, as long as their 3D pixels are being delivered, it's ok, and we can call that "iterations".

(*) (edit) besides, they did redo each and every ship over again, a few times...

Well, he got quite downvoted for his response, which is rather telling on the SC sub when the faithful get downvoted.

Well, at least I don't actually care about downvotes. :D

Good for him, and i totally am willing to believe he doesn't mash that downvote button on any dissenting post he sees :p
 

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Yes, as long as the model improves over time.
Like in every software, modify version after version to have better fonctionnalities...

I do not think that is the issue, here. In a reasonably competent company working with a reasonable product that could be indeed true. But CIG has shown year after year for almost 9 years that they can not simply iterate to a point where it will work properly.

Let me see if I can put it to you more graphically. I can say:

I will be making the best damned spaceship ever. One the likes of which SpaceX or NASA can not rival with. My ship will reach each and every planet in the solar system. And will be able to carry 100 passengers in it, it will have olimpic size swimming pool and race track, shopping mall and garden with biosphere.

Here is my alpha:

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What? You say this is ridiculous and that a piece of painted paper can not possibly do all that I said?

No worries, the model will improve over time.

This is SC/SQ42 in a nutshell.
 
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Yes, but several month ago I could have said 'CIG will deliver a new flight model' and it would have been true. I could also have used 'will' for the planetary tech, the weather, the hunger/thirst, the caves, prison, etc.
The vast majority of what the devs talk about is delivered.

Great. Can you show us videos of pets, salvage, 100 systems, and everything else CIG have promised over the years? Bonus points for doing it in a news van ship!
 

…and take note of how much the “completed” stuff is frivolous fripperies with little to no real gameplay purpose, or serving functions that have since become abandoned or otherweise pointless.

Are you saying the elevator panel rework isn't frivolous? You hater!

Oh, wait, they still haven't done it, despite it being added to the patch list 2 patches ago :D

Having said that, its one issue i felt when playing the freefly, that the elevator panel was not intuitive and needed a rework. So, its not frivolous... but its rather trivial and hard to understand why its at 0% despite being on the patch list for months and at one point was allegedly 30 or 50% complete!
 
I do not think that is the issue, here. In a reasonably competent company that could be indeed true. But CIG has shown year after year for almost 9 years that they can not simply iterate to a point where it will work properly.

Let me see if I can put it to you more graphically. I can say:

I will be making the best damned spaceship ever. One the likes of which SpaceX or NASA can not rival with. My ship will reach each and every planet in the solar system. And will be able to carry 100 passengers in it, it will have olimpic size swimming pool and race track, shopping mall and garden with biosphere.

Here is my alpha:

c20afd2175ae63ebbc24f8aa0ed989fe.jpg


What? You say this is ridiculous and that a piece of painted paper can not possibly do all that I said?

No worries, the model will improve over time.

This is SC/SQ42 in a nutshell.

Except instead, CIG paid Crytek to do a flashy demo that they then passed off as being stuff that was already developed and completed. It was probably CIG's first big LIE.

The whole kickstarter was based on a massive lie to future backers, and since then they have gone on to compound their lies with more lies.
 
Expurgated timeline of Squadron 42 progress:

2016 - July: CIG employee states, "I have played through every mission because I come from QA and it was my job to do so." (link)
2016 - August: "Roberts said that all of the game’s chapters and gameplay are at the “grey-box” level, which means that development is nearly complete, but the last set of assets aren’t included yet, and the developers want to give it a final polish. " (link)
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2020 - July: CIG announces a roadmap for the introduction of a new roadmap for Squadron 42. (link)

Comedy gold. You just can't make this stuff up.
It's almost like wanna-be film maker Chris Roberts is making his own version of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button Squadron 42.

There is no Sq42. It's been a bag of lies and hot air blown up the backer's rears. They don't even have a roadmap for it.
 
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