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To not still wait for them after 10 years like in ED ? To play a nice, enjoyable and beautiful alpha because this alpha is open and crowfunded and CIG need to show stuff to its funders ? And because making assets of this quality takes a huge amount of time so are also a huge part of the development ?
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And ? NMS is a good game and if SC achieve the same features with water I will be happy. They have 26 guys and probably one guy has spent some time on the rivers. CIG is bigger but, as for Hello Games, just one guy has spent some time on the rivers, it's not really different... And if you want to compare studios, why Fdev had not put one guy on water assets if HG can do it just with 26 guys ? Perhaps because it's most complicated to do it in SC and ED than in NMS. And if HG is good and CIG is bad at programming, why NMS still doesn't have ship interior ? It's easy no and they are good at programming ? look, they have better ocean than SC...
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FDEV has not yet sold a DLC offering rivers or similar, so it is perfectly natural rivers do not yet exist in Elite. As natural as SC, NMS or Space Engineers, say, not having sold an astrophysics based 1:1 replica of the milky way.
On the other hand CIG has already sold to the tune of 500+ millions, and SC paying players have been waiting for up to 10+ years, for 100 star systems plus all the cities, stations, poi and content in them, exploration gameplay, dynamic economies & quanta, subsumption AI, seamless server meshing with thousands of players in the same zone, Squadron 42, Theaters of War, capital ships with command & control gameplay, private servers and modding tools, Virtual Reality support, land base building, multiple alien races, player managed space stations, ship modularity, pets, farming gameplay, info running gameplay, science gameplay, an incredibly long list of sold ships not yet completed or delivered to the PU... And this is just to name but a few of missing things already payed by players, and where players have been waiting for up to 10+ years, and counting.
But hey, here, have a river folks.
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And whoosh, point passing overhead.
SC planets have things to do, but far less than actually expected for an entire planet.....even a mini planets like SC's, things to do are few and far between. They have spent basically ten years handcrafting a few planets with a few locations in a single system, there's a few cities and some vegetation, a few rivers, in ten years! Do you expect them to handcraft all the coming systems to the same level, because that's what they are doing, handcrafting. Most MMO's out there do this and end up with stunningly detailed landscapes and NPC's everywhere, but SC has sent ten years creating a few planets with a couple of places on each planet that would be considered "interesting". So 100 years to get another ten systems of the same detail level? You can't create even a small part of the galaxy without relying mostly on procedural generation, SC tried procedural and basically abandoned it because they can't get what they want out of it, 100 systems aren't suddenly going to pop into being without a lot of time and effort.
And grass.
I am always rather amused by the idea of "hand crafting" game worlds at scale...
One of my first programming tasks was to write tools to automate map generation for an unreleased winter sports game. Even trying to manually set and handcraft height maps was too time consuming for a mid-sized team that didn't have a finished game. Trying to "hand craft" worlds for immature game logic is like trying to decorate a house without walls. Its a massive waste of time, you also start to run out of humans very quickly. Try doing some basic maths, how long would it take you to quickly and randomly place one building on a "map" even if that building asset already existed? Now try to estimate how many buildings there are in your local small town or village, how long would you be able to quickly repeat the process for the number of buildings to make an interesting world that looked like real? If you are realistic and sensible you run into some pretty big numbers, even with the best tools in the world.
The idea that a studio is going to "hand craft" planets (even small ones not to scale) is B...S frankly and even if CIG have a sweat shop somewhere of bodies placing things in tools, all they would be doing is bulding an astronomical amount of unusable stuff considering they haven't worked out mission critical stuff like how NPCs work or how networking can be stable. What CIG have been able to produce over the past decade are some pretty FPS maps for an engine that was good at pretty FPS maps.
Anyone who has ever tried to create a map for an FPS will know, even on a complete game with tools, its a massive task that will take one person months often years. Studios like Rockstar have sizable teams working on nothing but placing city assets using tools and testing them. Chris likes to talk about how RDR2 took so long to develop and why SC is taking so long, the real difference is that Rockstar know how to mass produce gaming worlds in a factory like process but CIGs business model is marketing and procrastination, eg: "We need time to do R&D on stuff we said we were R&D on half a decade ago".
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In b4 Ant generates this post:
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bla bla bla early days bla bla bla early concept bla bla bla need money now pls.
Forget Invictus and Luminalia, here comes...
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Prediction of the Year - 2022
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Another clear champion this time around
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Honourable Mention:
Crypto-bro Lord Savage came in hot, but was gone in a flash. He left us this to remember him by:
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Better luck next year CIG!
(And crypto!)
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Previous entries:
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Prediction of the Year - 2022 ---
Another clear champion this time around
But will you eat one if Pyro isn't delivered by Q1 2023?
- SQ42 beta:
- Roadmapped for: Q2 2020.
- Current Roadmap: N/A. (Very late...)
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SQ42:
- Roadmapped for: 2014 release (and 2015, and 2016, and 2017...).
- Current Roadmap: N/A (Very very late)
- Second system:
- Server Meshing:
- Roadmapped for: Q4 2018, Q2 2019, Q3/Q4 2022, Q1 2023... ['Tier Zero' first version]
- Current Roadmap: Q4 2023. (5 years late)
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Honourable Mention:
Crypto-bro Lord Savage came in hot, but was gone in a flash. He left us this to remember him by:
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Better luck next year CIG! (And crypto!)
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Previous entries:
- 2019: The joyous missteps of Mr.Nowak - [Repair / salvage / refuel / second solar system]
- 2020: Zaphod uses the wrong head - [SQ42 beta & Star Citizen release]
- 2021: LittleAnt digs a very big hole - [SQ42 beta / Second System / iCache persistence / Vulkan]
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It's not a competition. It's a tradition.
Every year the thread gets at least one new guy who predicts great CIG advances are just [this year +1] away.
They state it proudly and repeatedly, waving it around as some form of proof. Then spend the rest of the time trying to naysay any form of criticism of CIG. Often fairly maniacally.
Those that don't get banned for abuse (having become too immersed in the act of defending a computer game, as if they themselves had been attacked) make it to the grand event: That moment when their prediction of a second system in 2019, or SC's release in 2020, or 'Server Meshing' in 2021, or whatever, fails mightily to come to pass
You'd have to be an SC veteran with a heart of stone not to enjoy the Prediction of the Year Award
Every year the thread gets at least one new guy who predicts great CIG advances are just [this year +1] away.
They state it proudly and repeatedly, waving it around as some form of proof. Then spend the rest of the time trying to naysay any form of criticism of CIG. Often fairly maniacally.
Those that don't get banned for abuse (having become too immersed in the act of defending a computer game, as if they themselves had been attacked) make it to the grand event: That moment when their prediction of a second system in 2019, or SC's release in 2020, or 'Server Meshing' in 2021, or whatever, fails mightily to come to pass
You'd have to be an SC veteran with a heart of stone not to enjoy the
Prediction of the Year Award
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Also, dishonourable mention to Mole for getting all of this right
(But that's not really in the spirit of the awards)
(But that's not really in the spirit of the awards
)As you are short on believers here, I'm pleased to offer you something to discuss in january 2024, my prediction for 2023
- SQ42 beta end of 2023, early 2024
- Vulkan late this year
- Second system late 2023, early 2024
iCache a huge mess at start, good tech at the end of 2021PES released, sorry to not let this one- real components in ships
- power management in ships
- some animals and créatures on planets (no clue about this but I've a good feeling about it
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As you are short on believers here, I'm pleased to offer you something to discuss in january 2024, my prediction for 2023
- SQ42 beta end of 2023, early 2024
- Vulkan late this year
- Second system late 2023, early 2024
iCache a huge mess at start, good tech at the end of 2021PES released, sorry to not let this one- real components in ships
- power management in ships
- some animals and créatures on planets (no clue about this but I've a good feeling about it
Stationary T-posing space sheep confirmed?
Better yet, stationary T-Posing sandworms?
Viajero
Volunteer Moderator
As you are short on believers here, I'm pleased to offer you something to discuss in january 2024, my prediction for 2023
- SQ42 beta end of 2023, early 2024
- Vulkan late this year
- Second system late 2023, early 2024
iCache a huge mess at start, good tech at the end of 2021PES released, sorry to not let this one- real components in ships
- power management in ships
- some animals and créatures on planets (no clue about this but I've a good feeling about it
Don´t take it too personal Ant. I believe the main point of these prediction discussions is not really to point the finger at certain posters misplaced faith but rather to highlight the very shocking incompetence and deliberate intent to constantly misrepresent deliverables by Chris Roberts and CIG in general so to extract funds out of players.
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Even a stopped clock...
- real components in ships
- power management in ships
- some animals and créatures on planets (no clue about this but I've a good feeling about it
Cheers for these new ones though, they should be fun
PS what do you mean by power management in ships? Presumably not the varied jumble of existing power triangles etc. Are you thinking about the 'Resource Management' / 'Resource Network' stuff? (IE the rework of the 'Pipe System', adding power relays etc for intended multicrew?)
For anyone who wants a bit of history on that and the 'physicalised components', (including Ant
), have a cheeky repost...Third time's the charm...
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That almost sounds like it makes some sense, but you're missing the key point about why developers don't create all-singing all-dancing graphical assets, sets, objects and locations BEFORE designing and coding the actual game they are to be used in.
Or rewritten over and over for.
Carts and horses etc.
But you ARE absolutely correct about the reason Chris et al have done it this way. Money. Ironically preventing the game ever being released, imo.
Ah, but CIG never had a stretch goal for rivers in the first place, so they've effectively added rivers for free!
Checkmate FLOODster!
Forget Invictus and Luminalia, here comes...
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Another clear champion this time around
- SQ42 beta:
- Roadmapped for: Q2 2020.
- Current Roadmap: N/A. (Very late...)
- Roadmapped for: 2014 release (and 2015, and 2016, and 2017...).
- Current Roadmap: N/A (Very very late)
- Second system:
- Server Meshing:
- Roadmapped for: Q4 2018, Q1 2019, Q3/Q4 2022, Q1 2023... ['Tier Zero' first version]
- Current Roadmap: Q4 2023. (5 years late)
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Honourable Mention:
Crypto-bro Lord Savage came in hot, but was gone in a flash. He left us this to remember him by:
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(And crypto!)
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Previous entries:
- 2019: The joyous missteps of Mr.Nowak - [Repair / salvage / refuel / second solar system]
- 2020: Zaphod uses the wrong head - [SQ42 beta & Star Citizen release]
- 2021: LittleAnt digs a very big hole - [SQ42 beta / Second System / iCache persistence / Vulkan]
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It's not a competition. It's a tradition.
Every year the thread gets at least one new guy who predicts great CIG advances are just [this year +1] away.
They state it proudly and repeatedly, waving it around as some form of proof. Then spend the rest of the time trying to naysay any form of criticism of CIG. Often fairly maniacally.
Those that don't get banned for abuse (having become too immersed in the act of defending a computer game, as if they themselves had been attacked) make it to the grand event: That moment when their prediction of a second system in 2019, or SC's release in 2020, or 'Server Meshing' in 2021, or whatever, fails mightily to come to pass
You'd have to be an SC veteran with a heart of stone not to enjoy the
I wonder if we will get an acceptance speech from Ebob?
Oh no... looks like the account is gone!
Imagine that, coming to a forum proselytizing a game and then deleting your account when you fail to get any converts.