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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Some more detailed bar talk from the above... [AI summarised no doubt. My bolds.]

Those older 'flyables' sure are sounding crocked ;)

Will ships like the Kraken or the Caterpillar have cargo lift functionality?

John begins by talking about recent changes to the Caterpillar's side lifts, which were made to ease the loading and unloading of cargo, describing that they "improved some things, made other things worse," and that they would not have designed side doors like that if they designed the ship "today". They sadly then say they are hamstrung by the design and aren't sure if they'll redo the design to better fit gameplay later, but in its current design they still want to implement a three-state door system. As every moving part on Star Citizen's ships is limited by a hardcoded binary limit on its states due to all being some form of door, they are unsure when this will come. As for the Kraken, they aren't completely sure of its current state of cargo loading, however they then mention that it's being updated concept-wise as they want to start production on the ship towards the end of the year.
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Can Reclaimers rear cargo platform be adjusted to enable a wider range of possible cargo sizes that can be loaded?

"Another ship that if we made today wouldn't exist in its current form," is how John starts out before saying that the design of its interior prevents "easy" changes, necessitating a wider reworking if metrics were to change even in the slightest. After going on a quick ramble about how this ship was designed before they had a good idea of how to do larger interiors, they clarify that if there is a quick and easy fix it'll be done. Jared then has a classic explainer on process, change, and the usual buzzwords that cap off a "We didn't have any plan, but we probably have one now" speech, which moves into the idea of reworks vs remakes - aka Mk2s. John begins to talk about the internal decision making on a Mk2 vs a dedicated revamp of a ship, which he says hinges primarily on functionality, giving the example of the Hornet Mk2 which is a spinoff of a fully functional, albeit visually dated ship - as opposed to a theoretical Mk2 Reclaimer, which would "obviously" come with the work to the Mk1 to make it fully functional.
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Will modules for ships like the Galaxy be available with in-game currency upon release?

John begins by stating the decision is made based on both funding and game economic reasons. He gets into how the Retaliator was sold over time with and without modules before mentioning that it'll be handled similarly to other pledge store items, where there is an exclusivity window for cash purchases of a few months before being distributed throughout in-game drops and shops. Jared then says that beyond the pledge reasons, there are apparently "laws" that force the items to go to the pledgers first before a wider distribution but leaves this bit vague. John then goes on to say that he just straight up isn't sure if the Retaliator modules are sold in-game, and if there's a technical reason why they may not be, he wouldn't know. However, he states that it's almost certainly passed any sort of pledge exclusivity, so it should be available barring any issues.
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Will Maelstrom affecting ships through breakage and hull damage come into Star Citizen?

Yes but is being worked on by John as well as "a lot of teams" primarily for Squadron 42. According to them, CIG is around 70% of the way through converting the required Squadron 42 ships into the system. Their conversion initially starts with converting over the damage model built for Star Citizen into the new system using a "few buttons" - creating something that while visually looks the same, utilizes the new behaviors built into the system. After this conversion, technical art teams then add additional levels of destruction to ships on a case-by-case basis, with not every ship necessitating a change in its destruction visuals, due to either rarity of appearance or it's just not necessary. John, after clarifying that the system works correctly on a physics level cites the Squadron 42 demo from the recent Citizencon as an example of how Maelstrom affects the breakage of ships.
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And what is that legal requirement Jared is mumbling about? Must sell items before giving them away? Hmm.

At least on SQ42 it seems that Maelstrom is 'feature complete'. Just very slow to roll out across the creaking fleet. (Flight model 7.2 here we come ;))
 
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Factabulous

Factabulous
VR Golgot said:
At least on SQ42 it seems that Maelstrom is 'feature complete'. Just very slow to roll out across the creaking fleet.
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.. and ofc SC already has ship damage models doesn't it? I know I've seen streamers struggling to land with only one wing (and others deliberately knocking the wings off to get into small places). I'm beginning to suspect that they're not making great savings by building the two games at the same time ...
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
[Notes from People at the Conference]
-# Information was gathered using machine translations of the images linked above, then verified with a native Chinese speaker.
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- A confirmation that additional game packages are still planned to represent an additional character/npc.
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Hold the line citizens (plural)...

The Nautilus is out of date mechanically and isn't worth thinking about right now.
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Get wrecked old money (Episode 42)
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Oh lol missed this one too in the Bar blur...

A larger-than-a-Javelin "battleship" is being worked on in the future, currently split between going to Aegis, Anvil, or RSI. They also reference the previous "battlecruiser" referenced through the stretch goals as being sold "at some point".
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It's from the transcribed gossip section, not the vid, but sounds highly CIG.

Can't get your $3K capital ship out after 12 years? Punch above it...
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
VR Golgot said:
Noobie trip report of the day :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/1kk0qvw/star_citizen_from_an_elite_players_perspective
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/1kk0qvw/star_citizen_from_an_elite_players_perspective/

(All sounds very stable to me 🤷‍♂️)
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... The immersion is much better. The ship design is much better. The human-scale content is much better...

But when the game just doesn't work? And when the game can just actively delete my progress?
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For some reason people think those two elements are independent: "oooh, so immersive! ahhhh so much detail! Shame the game does not work... but if it did!"

The truth is that SC sucks and does not work precisley because CIG has tried to cram SC with so much nonsense content and "fidelity" that its code simply can not handle it (among other things). Game development is all about compromise, of which SC tends to have very little.
 

MQC

MQC
As a complement to this concept of "compromise," don't forget that ED has been a real, complete game for 12 years, while SC is an unplayable alpha. This also comes into play with the concept of "how" and "how much," which people often overlook when comparing the two games/developments.

It's very easy to say "I've killed aliens, visited thousands of systems and traveled with my Carrier" and then have the xxxxxx to name, compare, and even put above some supposed "positive" things about SC when, after 12 years, it's still not possible to make a gameplay that even comes close to what a complete, finished game means, with real progress and persistence in your game.
 
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