It may well be...but I've mixed with, chatted with and befriended backers and concierge members of all sorts over the years in the sad world of Star Citizen and this story is by no means a precedent
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Craith
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I'd like to state that I do appreciate you posting information concerning Star Citizen here. I don't check the Alpha out often (actually haven't installed it on my new computer since March), but I do hope I'll get something playable at some point (not in the current tech-demo way), and do like to get information. Honest mistakes happen (on both sides of the fence), as long as people are not spreading misinformation on purpose I appreciate all input.
Personally I was in love with the SC idea back in 2014 when I backed it, but lost my enthusiasm when most of the promises were broken (especially the VR, the coop SQ-42 prelude to SC and the 100 systems), and to a lesser point the missing competence in some decisions (finding out years into the project that you need 64bit precision for coordinates in a solar system ... who'd guessed space is big?)
I still watch it and do check it out when I think something warrants it, which I base mostly on information gained from this thread. It has the proper mix of bias from both sides to get me the info I want. I'd hate to miss if they ever do offer VR.
Its pretty easy to lose the objectivity on forums- I made that mistake a few times as well. You start out because you want to contribute, be positive and help others and you transform into a raging fanboy who doesnt take "no" for an answer if you dont pay attention.
There isn't bias on both sides. Pointing out that one of the executives (who happens to be Chris' wife or ex-wife) appears to no longer work on the project but still collects an executive salary is not "bias". It's one of the clear indications of a scam.
Occasionally people would parachute into talk.origins and just insist that teachers teach "both sides", which would allow the scammers to win.
Now, now. Of course there are biases on both sides. It's just the one of those is based on long-established, easily observable, well-document history whereas the other is based on assumptions and dreams of an ever-receding future.
I did test my watercooled 3090 on Star Citizen. Frame rates are abysmal for something that's not using ray tracing to start with, and drop to 25 to 45 fps at Area 18 (that's the big city hub / map for those who never got access to the demo). Meanwhile, Control runs at really smooth rates with everything on ultra including RTX, and no DLSS, and looks fantastic, should i mention a very heavily modded Witcher 3 with 4K textures, max render distance significantly increased, etc. it looks glorious and maxes out my screen refresh rate (144Hz, 34" ultrawide). I could open bets against SC cultists on which kind of performance i'll get out of Cyberpunk 2077 with every setting maxed out... And it will look a lot better than Area 18 not to mention Night City is much, much bigger than the small map you're confined to on Arccorp.
Honestly, anything less than 60fps on that monster of a GPU has got serious problems (or it's 100% light path ray traced, but that's another level..). If i take off from Arccorp and go to space or other planets, i max out at around 70 fps or so, which is still terrible considering the lack of environment (when in deep space). QT drops that to around 63-65 fps, probably the particle effects... Even FS2020 might run better and the level of details of that sim is quite beyond anything SC can produce.
Oh for the gameplay. I did my usual trade runs to get a feel for the build. Less frequent 30K errors (they are still there !), Lorville is Abandonville rather as it's now a derelict place for code quality (everything is buggered in there, and forget about refuelling), many of the usual mining outposts that were my staple trade routes are buggered too and wont offer any items at all (not even zero stock of the usual items, the screen is just blank now..), ship MFDs still get non-responsive after a while requiring a complete restart, oh and a new one, now there's some kind of despawn timer on your ship, that persists across bed logouts, so say you log in when in your ship, you walk out of it, poof it goes. I had a whole fraking Caterpillar do the disappear act on me just as i stepped out of it. Only way around it is whenever you have cargo, go and sell quickly then despawn the ship using the spaceport facilities, it will reset the timer. Some people report that dragging a dead NPC body inside the ship will prevent the despawn, but said NPC corpse will not persist across sessions, so beware, especially if you're in deep space (or away from facilities)... Also there's only one source for these, it's that one first person shooting mission in that bunker on Hurston (maybe the 890 assault mission might do as well, but good luck getting a corpse onboard).
Honestly, anything less than 60fps on that monster of a GPU has got serious problems (or it's 100% light path ray traced, but that's another level..). If i take off from Arccorp and go to space or other planets, i max out at around 70 fps or so, which is still terrible considering the lack of environment (when in deep space). QT drops that to around 63-65 fps, probably the particle effects... Even FS2020 might run better and the level of details of that sim is quite beyond anything SC can produce.
Oh for the gameplay. I did my usual trade runs to get a feel for the build. Less frequent 30K errors (they are still there !), Lorville is Abandonville rather as it's now a derelict place for code quality (everything is buggered in there, and forget about refuelling), many of the usual mining outposts that were my staple trade routes are buggered too and wont offer any items at all (not even zero stock of the usual items, the screen is just blank now..), ship MFDs still get non-responsive after a while requiring a complete restart, oh and a new one, now there's some kind of despawn timer on your ship, that persists across bed logouts, so say you log in when in your ship, you walk out of it, poof it goes. I had a whole fraking Caterpillar do the disappear act on me just as i stepped out of it. Only way around it is whenever you have cargo, go and sell quickly then despawn the ship using the spaceport facilities, it will reset the timer. Some people report that dragging a dead NPC body inside the ship will prevent the despawn, but said NPC corpse will not persist across sessions, so beware, especially if you're in deep space (or away from facilities)... Also there's only one source for these, it's that one first person shooting mission in that bunker on Hurston (maybe the 890 assault mission might do as well, but good luck getting a corpse onboard).
Craith
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Everyone is biased. Some more, some less, but you will never find an unbiased opinion or fact. That does not mean it is all wrong, just that the way it is represented is structured in a way to influence ones way of interpreting the provided information.
I'm also quite biased, and concerning SC quite sure they will not release even remotely what they promised back in 2014, but way less. That does not mean I am not interested to be proven wrong.
Star Citizen is like those benchmark tests you can run. The tests that are designed to bring your computer to its knees just seeing how many polygons and stuff it can throw at your computer.
Now waiting for CR to tell the devs he has to have ray tracing in SC so it can raise the bar even higher!
...And you think that hasn't already happened?
The main difference is that the actual benchmarks, went from:
to
(at its core, the same guys) but in both cases, they actually responded to and worked better on better hardware, whereas with SC, it's a completely disconnected die roll rather than a measurement of computer performance.
Too bad this version was made later, and not as many years before...
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Totally not jealous at all
Pff, it's a stupid purchase anyway. I'm waiting for the 5070, which offers significantly better performance for way, way less money.
We are in the SC thread. The home of stupid purchases.
Craith
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Wait a minute ... my purchase was a well planned investment, it is just the others that are throwing money in the bin.
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I see reports of:
... in Cyberpunk 2077.
Is it now time to reconsider .... Was Star Citizen actually ahead of its time
- NPCs T-posing ... while naked ... and missing their arms
- Vehicles sinking into the planet
- Vehicles shooting off into the distance when touched
... in Cyberpunk 2077.
Is it now time to reconsider .... Was Star Citizen actually ahead of its time