Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[LittleAnt]

I've seen it, but no real point trying myself, since my graphics card melts trying to play SC, same as with EDO, and freeflys in general have worse performance than at other times due to the servers being hammered, and as i've said many times, i'm not giving money to a company that lies through its backteeth. I'd rather give money to EA, and i never give money to EA.

No you haven't seen it. You just have seen static screenshots or compressed youtube videos.

Expect, as you well know, my opinion is mainly based on the lack of ethics from CIG, whereas people like you are showing are not talking about that, they may even be unaware, they are only looking at what they see in game.

killminster was asking news about the game, not about the ethics of CIG. And you gave him a biased opinion of someone that despise CIG and don't play the game, just cherry picking some absolutely minor facts about the game to make it ridiculous. Very useful... Have you said him what have improved in the alpha (that's what he asked) ?. Like the huge reducing of 30K or the rework of the FM or that the grids works largely better or the new caves or the new derelicts or the upcoming missile operator mode or the new radar/scan mechanisms or the gravity gun or the very good Xenothreat event, etc ? You are not the one claiming here that you have a balanced opinion about the game ?

With all the overwhelmingly positive praise from ex-ED players it is surely ready for release!

Not ready for release because incomplete alpha, not even a beta. And especially surprising that those ED players enjoy it it so much when it is only an incomplete alpha. Pretty weird no ? An incomplete alpha giving so much pleasure. What will it be like when the refueling and salvage mechanisms will be here... or when we'll have our personnal hangar and flat in the PU.

 

[Cotic]

I'm trying to understand what the recent "Look!! Another ED player playing SC!" is supposed to prove.
People give up games they have had enough of to try new ones all the time, big deal.

Is it more ED bad, SC good nonsense or what?

 

[LittleAnt]

I'm trying to understand what the recent "Look!! Another ED player playing SC!" is supposed to prove.
People give up games they have had enough of to try new ones all the time, big deal.

Is it more ED bad, SC good nonsense or what?

SC players are taggued with a "biased/cultist opinion about the game" here. So, just pointing to review of ED players, when an ED player ask why SC, saves us a lot of time. It's always frustrating to write a long review just to read as a response, "lol, cultist ! Your opinion is crap". At least, with an ED player review, the excuse of the cultist cannot be invoked.

 

[Cotic]

And especially surprising that those ED players enjoy it it so much when it is only an incomplete alpha. Pretty weird no ?

No, it's really not. It is widely known as the honeymoon effect.

People try something new, it's different to what they were playing and they become enamoured by it. After a short while that "OMG so shiny" factor wears off and they start seeing the problems.

 

[cigwatch]

Not ready for release because incomplete alpha, not even a beta. And especially surprising that those ED players enjoy it it so much when it is only an incomplete alpha. Pretty weird no?

Not at all. The novelty factor is a huge boost to every experience.

 

[Cotic]

SC players are taggued with a "biased/cultist opinion about the game" here.

Some are and largely for good reason. If they are only willing to post positives then yeah, no surprise.

So, just pointing to review of ED players, when an ED player ask why SC, saves us a lot of time. It's always frustrating to write a long review just to read as a response, "lol, cultist ! Your opinion is crap". At least, with an ED player review, the excuse of the cultist cannot be invoked.

How does it save time? Just because they used to be or still are an ED player does not change anything, it doesn't mean their opinion carries anymore weight.
If people don't want to be called biased or cultist then they just need to be more balanced in their reviews, simple no?

 

[LittleAnt]

No, it's really not. It is widely known as the honeymoon effect.

People try something new, it's different to what they were playing and they become enamoured by it. After a short while that "OMG so shiny" factor wears off and they start seeing the problems.

You want reviews of ex ED player from 1 year ago that keep playing SC ? Pretty long honeymoon effect...

 

[LittleAnt]

If people don't want to be called biased or cultist then they just need to be more balanced in their reviews, simple no?

Like the last review of Agony_Aunt ? Explain me what you think of it, I'm curious... balanced or not ?

 

[Xink]

So many "new" Youtubers suddenly have access to the PTU and make polished videos about how overwhelmingly positive their Orison experience is, right after it was made available to the PTU.

What a shocking coincidence that so many people have come across the test server of a paid-only alpha, for which they need to "invest" $1k in to access.

Marketing dollars at work.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIv68VUlVQ0

 

[Darkfyre99]

Yes. Come to see the result !

I’ll wait for a free fly myself, now that I have a beefy enough computer to handle Robbert’s level of “fidelity.” Which is ironic, because I followed the same new computer strategy that I followed eight years ago, in anticipation of SC’s and ED’s 2014 release dates.

Personally, I’d rather have great gameplay and okay graphics, than minimal gameplay and fantastic graphics. Far too many AAA game developers and publishers out there take the latter approach…

 

[VR Golgot]

Another fresh opinion about SC from a long term ED player :

Oh bless his cotton socks…

a clear vision on what it wants to deliver (Hallelujia!) and that's refreshing.

I'm a VR player as well, and that's part of the reason I'm putting more time on SC

He seems to have gone for the $85 Titan alpha package. Very thrifty.

What will it be like when the refueling and salvage mechanisms will be here...

What will it be like when the stuff roadmapped for 2017 arrives? That is a very fine question.

Have you said him what have improved in the alpha (that's what he asked) ?. Like the huge reducing of 30K or the rework of the FM or that the grids works largely better or the new caves or the new derelicts or the upcoming missile operator mode or the new radar/scan mechanisms or the gravity gun or the very good Xenothreat event, etc ?

We know you’ll do that Ant. So we’re just here to balance you out

By pointing out that the 30K reduction has been overshadowed by the terrible state of the desynch. And with trade still spanked by a spread of issues (not least being the continued existence of 30ks), most of the main professions are still rendered unsatisfactory or flat out broken by the state of the networking.

Or that you’ve just summed up the bulk of the additions for the last year there, which are mainly incredibly slight (for a team of 700+), despite far more being promised. (The cull of 75% of the proposed core tech and 60% of the proposed gameplay features from 3.14 being a good recent example). As such you’ve bulked the list out with several things that aren’t even in the game yet…

Somehow your 'positives only' take on SC doesn’t tell the full story

 

[Darkfyre99]

I'm trying to understand what the recent "Look!! Another ED player playing SC!" is supposed to prove.
People give up games they have had enough of to try new ones all the time, big deal.

Is it more ED bad, SC good nonsense or what?

By that logic, the fact that I tried No Man’s Sky at one point means I think it is a great game. It took me about 30 hours to realize that it wasn’t appealing as a long-term game.

 

[Intrepid3D]

Another fresh opinion about SC from a long term ED player :

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/ogudrd

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/ogudrd/goodbye_edo_for_now_maybe_well_see_how_it_goes/


You will find numerous reviews like this one recently. You still can value the Agony_Aunt opinion here for sure, you just have to know that's the opinion of someone that doesn't play the game...

At least this persons humble pie is delicious.

 

[LittleAnt]

We know you’ll do that Ant. So we’re just here to balance you out

You balance nothing. One of the main reason I stick here is exactly because of that. You balanced nothing after the last "cultist" left and before I was here and will balance nothing the day I will quit.

 

[Cotic]

You want reviews of ex ED player from 1 year ago that keep playing SC ? Pretty long honeymoon effect...

So because you have 1 example you can point to you want to dismiss it happens? Obviously some people are going to stick with the new game/sport or w/e but it doesn't mean the honeymoon effect is untrue.

People do it all the time and tbh they are the worst people to be getting opinions from. If a person is jaded or feeling wronged by their previous entertainment then it is almost impossible for that to not affect their opinion of their latest entertainment.

Like the last review of Agony_Aunt ? Explain me what you think of it, I'm curious... balanced or not ?

Please don't do this. Switeroo gotchas just make the discussions feel like something out of high school.

Your complaint was that SC players were being tagged as biased/cultist and that is what I was responding to.

 

[WotGTheAgent]

Lol ! The tech is not even finished and it's already gorgeous.
Can you show us better volumetric clouds in a space game ? You know, games where those clouds need to be seen from under, inside and far away from space without bringing your computer to its knees ?

I mean it kinda looks okay, just extremely mediocre for the development time invested (and according to the devs themselves, was a LOT). Compared to some of the things UE5 can do, the near decade old branch of CryEngine that Star Citizen uses is looking dated.

And of course it's not finished -- nothing in Star Citizen is ever released in a final state, making it essentially immune to criticism. "It's only gonna get better!" has been the same go-to excuse for over half a decade. I've yet to see the giant space battles of hundreds and hundreds of ships that were promised and pre-sold. Like, hey, clouds -- where's the capital ship gameplay? Or land claims? Base building? Faction wars?

And hey, I know Aunt here doesn't play SC, but I do -- every single patch. But I do enjoy you waving away my personal experience with the game as somehow being invalid.

When 3.14 hits for us regular folks, I'll jump in with Mole, sovapid and Suz here (if y'all won't mind having an idiot hanging around). I take it you guys play on EU servers though, never tried one of those, so I have no idea how bad the lag issues will be.

 

[Skizomeuh]

You balance nothing. One of the main reason I stick here is exactly because of that. You balanced nothing after the last "cultist" left and before I was here and will balance nothing the day I will quit.

You're on duty then. Lord Almighty must be proud of you citizen!

 

[cigwatch]

You balance nothing. One of the main reason I stick here is exactly because of that. You balanced nothing after the last "cultist" left and before I was here and will balance nothing the day I will quit.

But why would you spend your time doing that instead of enjoying The Fluffy Cloudy Clouds of Crusader?

 

[VR Golgot]

and will balance nothing the day I will quit

Contract up?

Nah, that’s very black & white from you, as always. There are plenty of discussions of SC positives around here. Mole & other regular players discuss game sessions and what they enjoy about SC. Credit is always given more broadly to its visuals and vibe, and as a gaggle of space heads, we naturally paw over new additions, looking for signs of progress towards a launchable product, or lavish novelties you wouldn’t find elsewhere. (I’m intrigued to see how the flight system & proposed pressure limits interact with new cloud tech for example, and have said as much ).

But what the thread has a low tolerance for on the whole, are posters who refuse to countenance any negatives, focusing on the positive-alone with such dedication that they end up elevating relative minutia to epic status and significance (Building Blocks cough cough ). Parroting these aspects in an attempt to flood away the nasty negatives which they don’t wish to be discussed. The years of missed deadlines for transformative networking architecture, and what they say about the technical progress of the project. The prospect of pledges sold for $1000s never being realised, and what that would say about the morality of the project. The many many years of evidence which undercut the trite cries of 'Server Meshing coming’

There are ton of places where people can discuss SC ultimately, and anyone who can find this thread can find them too. If they want to just daydream of a land of VR and honey, then the subreddit is pretty good for that on the whole

 

[LittleAnt]

But why would you spend your time doing that instead of enjoying The Fluffy Cloudy Clouds of Crusader?

The same reason you post here instead of enjoying a good game, because you can do both and you get some fun to read/post here. Fun is important in life !
And I never test PTU, I always stick to the PU.