Bully for you.
Study finds that 74% have been harrassed in online muliplayer games.
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Bully for you.
It's not just gaming. It's the "social" media as well. Twitter and Facebook have re-invented the pillory and people join in anonymously to throw crap around for various reasons with no fear of repercussion. What you gonna do? Fight over a pile of excrement? Or flag it as such?
It's interesting. Nobody ever had problems with public toilet walls. Twitter is basically that. I really think people are just taking things way too personally these days.
Simply glossing over online bullying/abuse is fundamentally a flawed approach to a real issue that causes the deaths of real people.
I think there is a saying that the only thing evil needs to succeed is for good people to do nothing.
To pretend that online abuse is somehow a laughing matter ignores that it gets people dead. It is in no way a sjw or a political agenda to call out the abuse as it happens and offer support to those who are victims and call the piles of excrement actively engaged in that abuse exactly what they are when they are doing it.
To let it slide or to dismiss it is cowardly in my opinion.
I think there is a saying that the only thing evil needs to succeed is for good people to do nothing.
To pretend that online abuse is somehow a laughing matter ignores that it gets people dead. It is in no way a sjw or a political agenda to call out the abuse as it happens and offer support to those who are victims and call the piles of excrement actively engaged in that abuse exactly what they are when they are doing it.
To let it slide or to dismiss it is cowardly in my opinion.
Almost all platforms have a block function, nobody holds your arm behind your back and forces you to engage.
Seriously, wow your public restroom walls must have been epic.It's interesting. Nobody ever had problems with public toilet walls. Twitter is basically that. I really think people are just taking things way too personally these days.
The abuse on social media is nothing like the walls of a restroom to pretend so is disingenuous and detrimental to the discussion.
First of all no need to make this about me but nice try.
No, we should all endeavor to stop the abuse when we observe it. Simply hiding your head in the sand does nothing to help the other people who are affected by it. Shoot some people have thick skin, those are the people who should be advocating for the ones who are of the thin dermal layer variety since they are the ones most often targeted.
This discussion started with a disingenious hitpiece and pretencious arguments. How am I making things worse with a joke?
It's not at all about you, my apologies for the misunderstanding. For clarity, you may safely read my previous post as follows;
"Almost all platforms have a block function, nobody holds one's arm behind their back and forces them to engage"
That being said, the social contract of social media is entirely different than the social contract of face to face contact. First, there is one MASSIVE difference: there can be no bullying unless the victim allows it. Which is to say, instead of following a path where we invite censorship into our sphere of video gaming, perhaps we should spend a little more time on educating people in how to take control of the content they consume, whether that be player-to-player or something programmed into the game. Ultimately, experiences, even experiences with other people, are content that can very easily be modified or walked away from. Continuing to engage is just playing the victim as all of us have control over our experiences. Look up internal vs. external locus of control for further reading on how you're in control of your own life. You are powerful, you're an amazing person, don't let others ruin that for you, you are in control of what you see.
What joke? Perhaps you should have used a funny font?
Are you saying online bullying/abuse is not a thing? Or are you just taking issue with the aforementioned "Study"?
Since I do not know you and you do not know me I did not detect the joke so sorry for that.
Simple platitudes and such only work for those who already have few issues with the problem.
Unfortunately there are many who are not so fortunate. The perceived difference between online and offline is merely that perception. If you are one who has no difficulty with that perception you should be an advocate for the less fortunate or not its up to you.
For adults who have life outside of school and social media its easy to discount the real life of the younger generation. What you see as clearly defined is not so clear to others. For many now in school social media is far more important than real contact. Some people post everything about themselves everything that happens, everything.... so the disconnect you see is often not obvious or even as real as you may think.
As far as teaching others that is a great thing why not do it rather than dismissing the issue?
Of course I recognize abuse as an important issue. But you're right, I do have an issue with this study because it doesn't say anything useful. On the contrary, it's detremental to the serious discussion that needs to be had on this issue.
But regarding this post - my opinion is that 99% of what people here call "abuse" is not even close to the real thing. So I'm just having fun, here.
This is entirely inaccurate. Again, the are multiple sophisticated steps you have to take to interact with anything on your computer. It is not at all 'real life' or even close to the same as doing something necessary like going to the grocery store or even something unnecessary and meaningful like going to a club. Those things do not require you to know anything more than what you want and go get it. A computer requires a certain quality test of a person's tech savvy, enough to know what forums/modes of interaction are available. Talking with people on the internet is a luxury, not a right.
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At what point is it harassment? I used to play a lot of quake 2 online and i regularly got death threats. I considered it a mark of my success. I was not alarmed by it and did everything in my power to rachtet up my competitors rage and distress. I just considered it part of the game and if they were gullible enough to get involved at that level i considered it their problem.
EDIT: I should say that i never called anyone names or bullied anyone, tho i did have a key bound to type "neener neener neener" into the chat when i got a frag, it drove them crazy
EDIT: I should say that i never called anyone names or bullied anyone, tho i did have a key bound to type "neener neener neener" into the chat when i got a frag, it drove them crazy
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This ^
This highlights my point in spades. Those people could walk away or refuse voice chat or however interaction with this individual was consumed and they would be in control of their own experience.
This also should not be read as casting judgement as to whether m0rl0ck was abusive or not. That is arbitrary, the point is that were m0rl0ck abusive, those people could choose not to interact.
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Im not sure where you live (obviously) but your perspective on the issue is extremely myopic. I know of almost no one who does not have some connected device. Most are online with some app or doing work on their devices most of the day.
Its great that you think the internet (or the connected web of current life) ends when you put your phone (or whatever) down. However for many (pretty much everyone I know) its not as simple as you seem to think it is.
Society pressures have changed. If you dont know the latest about the latest you are a social pariah and for some that is unacceptable.
Its obvious that you have a narrow understanding of bullying/abuse, thats fine but to suggest that the victim has all the power is simply bonkers.
They would not be the victim if they had the power so its up to others to help them find that power.
Saying get thicker skin or turn your back rarely works and until you have seen someone commit suicide, or try because of the abuse you cant know how hard it is.
Your words are simply no longer correct in the world as it is today.
While it is true that you should not let others control who you are, there are far too many people who didn't get the memo.
All that I am saying is the world is different now (bad or good) and its reasonable to call out bad behavior when it is observed.
And in my opinion (which matters little to anyone) it is desirable cast shame on those who engage in it.
This is why this forum need a facepalm smilie.
Go to anywhere that regularly loses power at any time in the winter and I think you'll find that meaningful social interaction is not the first point included in discussions about the internet. Likewise, go to a person in sub saharan Africa and tell them that people are offing themselves in record numbers because someone was mean to them on a screen that they can't afford and I'm sure you'll get a compassionate yet confused answer. I'll say it again, instead of inviting big brother into our realm, spend more time educating people on how to control their experiences because whether or not you like it or even agree, the fact still remains that you have control over the content you consume. Don't like it? Walk away from your computer. Your continued interaction with that machine is voluntary. There's no details and no wiggle room here. Your involvement is voluntary, that's a factual statement.
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I get you.
And I agree the issue needs serious discussion. This may not be the place and the "Study" may be making a mockery of the issue.
I still feel a need to call it (abuse/bullying) out and say its not the way it should be.
As far as games are concerned, they have morphed as well as the whole social construct. And unfortunately some people have turned them into something too important to not take part in and others have weaponized them as tools of social castigation. Its a crazy world out there and it could use a few people willing to call out bad behavior when they see it.
And that is why I posted, I simply feel bad behavior should be called out as well as misconceptions about the current state of social life for those under 30 or so.
So if you are upset (you as in anyone reading) its not personal and not intended as a dis.
I've played a lot of online games over the years and for me they way people interact has gotten a lot, lot worse over the years, I play a bit of SWBF2 and been told to kill my self, die of cancer, die in a car crash etc etc, I laugh and get on with my day, what people say to me in the context of a FPS chat box, and one that I can turn off, disappears the moment the round is done or until the next time it happens or I see it in chat aimed at someone else and even then its gone the moment I hit that quit button.
Social media is a totally different beast and one I dont really engage on past FB, and that's only for family I dont engage in any groups or discussions. However I do thiink the actions of some people on for instance is just disgusting. Case in point: "That Umbrella Guy Doxxed and Threatened By SJWs" a you tube vid from Geeks+Gamers which I wont link because Jeremy from G+G goes into rant mode and the mods would be waving the stick at me.
However the OP was about a report about a 1000 people in which 76% took offence to something someone said in a game, or something. The shill media then went off on one telling us that DOA has the worst community like evvvver, and all gamer's are bad or some such tripe.
I dont know it came out last week and were already into Tuesday going on Wednesday so I've all but forgotten about it all until today when I watched the G+G vid and saw that this thread had moved on to social media rather than gaming.
Social media is a totally different beast and one I dont really engage on past FB, and that's only for family I dont engage in any groups or discussions. However I do thiink the actions of some people on for instance is just disgusting. Case in point: "That Umbrella Guy Doxxed and Threatened By SJWs" a you tube vid from Geeks+Gamers which I wont link because Jeremy from G+G goes into rant mode and the mods would be waving the stick at me.
However the OP was about a report about a 1000 people in which 76% took offence to something someone said in a game, or something. The shill media then went off on one telling us that DOA has the worst community like evvvver, and all gamer's are bad or some such tripe.
I dont know it came out last week and were already into Tuesday going on Wednesday so I've all but forgotten about it all until today when I watched the G+G vid and saw that this thread had moved on to social media rather than gaming.
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