Yep you nailed it.
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Yep you nailed it.
[FONT=&]Well, I tested the beta engineers and i must say several things at favor
[FONT=&]The first is that the AI is not as difficult as some players said
[FONT=&]The second is that the graphics have some remarkable improvements
[FONT=&]And here comes the problem[where is it], time and materials requested by the part of the engineers is ABSURD[mad] let me Explain why:[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Not everyone has hours and hours throughout every day of the week to collect materials and other items to change things with the engineers[knocked out], I mean, for example, to improve an Multicanon with Overcharged 5*, need, material surface scan[down], which get in 1 day if you do not have much time, materials from scanning settlements[/FONT] [FONT=&]on planets[down]... two days... hunting materials battleships[down], another day, craft materials from conflict zones[down], another day, and destroy materials cargo birds (pirating or something), another day[sad]. (And Commondities[down])[/FONT]
[FONT=&]We can not be spending a week of our lives to try an improvement[sad]... And, not to mention that probably most likely not be getting the results of the modification that you want and even much much less likely that you get the experimental modification
[FONT=&]Summary[blah], materials engineers require too many, and too time which many of us do not have:|, is an update that many of us are not going to enjoy this[sad]... because ye have overstepped the mark.[mad][/FONT]
If you don't have the time to do the engineer stuff then dont do it. Continue with how you have always played Elite.
I am struggling to see the point you are trying to make here.
That doesn't prove anything, in the end people will use forums to complain about stuff, so by its very nature you will see more complaints than positive thread.
All I see is a bunch of whiners who don't like how THEIR game has changed, when it was never THEIR game in the first place.
Take a deep breath and consider what's written there...
This is an example of the latest gameplay mechanics added to Elite Dangerous, 18 months after its release.
I'd suggest it doesn't raise the eye brows of enough people as unfortunately it's just more of the same, so people are almost expecting it.
Consider the development effort and design decisions at play, that leads to suggesting that pointing your ship at wakes and pressing a button, over and over and over, for hour(s), is moving the game nicely forwards after 18 months... Can we really not imagine anything more involved, deeper and challenging than such examples?
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So let us recap. You RNG the hell out of different collection scenarios. You get lucky and 4 or 5 days later you get a couple of rolls of RNG to end up with something useful, say for 3 different bits of gear. So let's be generous - 6 rolls. Here's the issue. The RNG in those rolls is stacked in a way that you probably need at least 20 rolls for a good outcome. You are probably going to walk away with 1 bit of gear that has some tiny improvement. That's after 5 days of intensive work.
The balance is out. Simple. There will be a balance pass. Mark my words.
Personally I would be happy if some materials remained genuinely difficult to find, but that the extreme RNG in the final crafting stage was less punitive.
Anyone reliably finding polonium or yittrium etc in a 2 hour session? I'd like to know about it.
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Indeed. It's just repeat behaviour.
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you can ask op for that. once you find pollonium somewhere it is certain that you can find it there again.
I'm ignoring all that no sense about RNG in your post, sorry, I had enough in the past.
2 problems:
- we don't have storage for all the stuff, which means you have to look for specific items at the moment you need them, you can't just hope to have them at some point, as for example, you have no way to store commodities if you're in a combat ship.
- what happened to "blaze your own trail" ? a pacific trader is now forced to kill other ships to have access to some upgrades from the engineers ? is there a way to get all of them by trading, mining and exploring ?
You can't ignore that, as finding some rare materials require both being at the right place AND have some luck.
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My my. Someone is a grumpy. Do you need burping?
The truth is out there, probably. Just needs the right RNG roll to generate it.
Certainty=Balance pass
hehe, grumpy? not me. Tired of the RNG song? exhausted!
And by no means the problem is just you trying to play the game 'your way', trying to get top gear as if it is being sold in a shop when it is not.. and you think I'm wrong. This is what got me exhausted and this is why I'm not going to discuss about it anymore.
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Well
The first is that the AI is not as difficult as some players said
The second is that the graphics have some remarkable improvements
And here comes the problem[where is it], time and materials requested by the part of the engineers is ABSURD[mad] let me Explain why:
Not everyone has hours and hours throughout every day of the week to collect materials and other items to change things with the engineers[knocked out], I mean, for example, to improve an Multicanon with Overcharged 5*, need, material surface scan[down], which get in 1 day if you do not have much time, materials from scanning settlements on planets[down]... two days... hunting materials battleships[down], another day, craft materials from conflict zones[down], another day, and destroy materials cargo birds (pirating or something), another day[sad]. (And Commondities[down])
We can not be spending a week of our lives to try an improvement[sad]... And, not to mention that probably most likely not be getting the results of the modification that you want and even much much less likely that you get the experimental modification
Summary[blah], materials engineers require too many, and too time which many of us do not have:|, is an update that many of us are not going to enjoy this[sad]... because ye have overstepped the mark.[mad]
So what exactly are you doing in this game? How do you play? I mean, i'm just doing my usual thing, bit of trade or a couple of missions, but of PVE, bit of PVP, checking out a few planets with their lovely new look.. maybe a little drive around in my SRV from time to time. And i'm seemingly getting materials thrown at me left, right and centre whilst i play as i normally would.
It might take a little while to end up with the materials i need to do the upgrades i may want in the future, but i'm simply playing the game.
Have you stopped playing the game and started fixating on upgrading your ship? ....
my way is "get it when you can", I've waited more than one year to get an Anaconda, no problem with that.
but I won't get any engineer upgrade "my way", aka playing casually, as I have no way to store the commodities that are required for most upgrades.
I just need to wait for the patch that will add storage place, but IMO that should have been done before releasing the engineers.
I think you might just want to take a look if you really have your storage space full, probably you can get some mods by now, including those improving what you want, maybe, RNG consented
OP, let's do this:
- remove the grinding wall of finding materials and be lucky with the experimentals with just a few checkboxes. this will solve your time constraint issue.
- remove the rank grinding wall to get empire and federal ships, to help someone elses time constraints too.
- then we can remove the merits grinding wall in powerplay, and have all the players rank 5 and 50M per week. this will solve someonelse time constrain.
- the because we will all have 50M a week, also remove the grinding wall of ship buying with credits, let's make all ships free for those with some time constraints too.
either you accept the fourth of them, or you are sneakily hidding your own agenda here and your concern is not a time constrain.
- remove the grinding wall of finding materials and be lucky with the experimentals with just a few checkboxes. this will solve your time constraint issue.
- remove the rank grinding wall to get empire and federal ships, to help someone elses time constraints too.
- then we can remove the merits grinding wall in powerplay, and have all the players rank 5 and 50M per week. this will solve someonelse time constrain.
- the because we will all have 50M a week, also remove the grinding wall of ship buying with credits, let's make all ships free for those with some time constraints too.
either you accept the fourth of them, or you are sneakily hidding your own agenda here and your concern is not a time constrain.
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Well
The first is that the AI is not as difficult as some players said
The second is that the graphics have some remarkable improvements
And here comes the problem[where is it], time and materials requested by the part of the engineers is ABSURD[mad] let me Explain why:
Not everyone has hours and hours throughout every day of the week to collect materials and other items to change things with the engineers[knocked out], I mean, for example, to improve an Multicanon with Overcharged 5*, need, material surface scan[down], which get in 1 day if you do not have much time, materials from scanning settlements on planets[down]... two days... hunting materials battleships[down], another day, craft materials from conflict zones[down], another day, and destroy materials cargo birds (pirating or something), another day[sad]. (And Commondities[down])
We can not be spending a week of our lives to try an improvement[sad]... And, not to mention that probably most likely not be getting the results of the modification that you want and even much much less likely that you get the experimental modification
Summary[blah], materials engineers require too many, and too time which many of us do not have:|, is an update that many of us are not going to enjoy this[sad]... because ye have overstepped the mark.[mad]
Not better resume [up]
To me the time requested to collect material vs the risk to loose all this time because of the RNG and a bad roll dice, are the main reason why I'll hide the Engineer Update since FRONTIER understand that there not only unemployed and lucky guy's playing ED.
Come on now... It's amazing how high a pile of straw men can reach when stacked up ontop of each other...
I'll repost what I wrote elsewhere:-
...My main issue is the amount of development time that seems to have gone into creating yet another bunch of new mini-random-grind mechanics, for such little improvement in the day-to-day game play. Think about Engineers and crafting, how much development effort has gone into it, and then the result. Consider how that time could have been used elsewhere. Consider how a simpler mechanic could have been employed to give much the same crafting outcome on modules with a fraction of the development time, and with less of the mini-random-grind mechanics. FD is seemingly in love with developing projects based on "that sounds cool," and the notion that just adding more and more mini-grind mechanics is propelling the game forwards
Imagine if you could simply craft any modules at all or certain stations. And that crafting was akin to free or just required a handful of materials. Done... Now, what to do with all the saved development time? NPC crew? Better piracy mechanics? Improved mining? More exploration content? Convoy protection missions? Wing missions? Fighter protection of capital ships? etc?
eg: We actually have people promoting sitting at a NAV beacon or outside a station scanning wakes for hour(s). Is this really the kind of gameplay we want to see 18 months into the game? Is this where the bar is being set? And before we get fixated on scanning wakes, it's the premise of it, and all the rest of the similar mechanic that Engineers (& crafting) have brought in. Why introduce all this very simplistic stuff just to prop up crafting, as if it gives it some greater worth? If the gameplay being added is this weak, why add it, especially at the expense of the pile of more interesting gameplay/mechanics crying to be added?
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Please, let me know when you finish your rant, so we can start talking if you really want to.
May be that more grind and a fortune wheel, were the easyest way to proced for frontier.
Why are so many players defending this grind fest? I have posted more on the forum since engineer went live then I ever have.
Elite is NOT and SHOULD NOT be an RNG simulator.
How is grinding endlessly for a random upgrade fun. Someone please explain this.
Elite is NOT and SHOULD NOT be an RNG simulator.
How is grinding endlessly for a random upgrade fun. Someone please explain this.