How is this list populated I know there are missing entries.
EDIT: Oh it appears to only be pods, none of us in the squadron I am in have done pods.
Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?
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EDIT: Oh it appears to only be pods, none of us in the squadron I am in have done pods.
The Titan status indicator has had a tendency to go absent ever since the possibility to attack them directly was added. Cocijo's should still be visible anyway even with it not being vulnerable. (In fact it's there for me right now)
So, been thinking recently (dangerous I know), of this latest Thargoid behavior for a couple months, and I’m starting to think that their goal is actually not to avoid the destruction of Titans, but just to keep using them for as long as possible to build up forces in order for a mass retaliatory (for lack of a better word) strike. It would perfectly explain why they are so intent on retaking the spires (again) yet don’t use them to fortify any existing positions which ends up just hurting them.
And those token invasions which just have no chance of actually taking a system unless completely ignored? To capture humans, I’d guess. They have little intel to gain on human defenses in the core of the Bubble by repeatedly attacking relatively unimportant locations on its edges.
What I’m not so sure on is whether this means the Thargoids are going to wait for Cocijo to be vulnerable to attack or goes boom to do anything, or while it’s still capable of supporting the assault in some form.
And those token invasions which just have no chance of actually taking a system unless completely ignored? To capture humans, I’d guess. They have little intel to gain on human defenses in the core of the Bubble by repeatedly attacking relatively unimportant locations on its edges.
What I’m not so sure on is whether this means the Thargoids are going to wait for Cocijo to be vulnerable to attack or goes boom to do anything, or while it’s still capable of supporting the assault in some form.
As far as I'm concerned, the point of the Thargoids actions was never an invasion of the human bubble... that was just a means to a different end, one that we don't understand.
It’s still possible, but doesn’t exclude the possibility of them (also) taking the opportunity to give humans a good whack on the head for being stupid, either.
I'm kind of expecting a strike against T Tauri.
Beyond that, the Rescue ships perhaps.
Beyond that, the Rescue ships perhaps.
As long as they don’t hit Bertschinger the Bubble will survive (unless Frontier happened to fix/address the issue of the rescue missions all going there than the closer by indie rescue ship before then).
T Tauri would be great. But maybe they’ll also want to look at other Azimuth locations…
… and what are the chances they will be looking for Nemesis now that they’ve poked Seo’s head?
That part feels all too human to me. I still hold on to the hope that Thargoids are "truly alien" like what was originally described... and that destroying stations, abducting humans and generally killing us isn't, at least to them, a big deal, in search of a better way of putting it... Just like how their casualties and losses in what we're calling a "war" don't seem like a big deal to them either.
A while back i wrote something about the Thargoids actually trying to protect us from the guardians... it's similar almost to an over zealous immune system response in someone with allergies.
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Well they'll have to be pretty quick if they're going to disrupt rescues. It doesn't look like the former human occupied systems will last long.
The Foerster has another purpose however.
The Foerster has another purpose however.
And the two are not mutually exclusive. From my perspective it would be providing a warning to humans that further escalating the war is not advisable*...
... but the Guardian theory can still function within that. For all we know, they might've been capturing humans to preserve some in case the worst came to the worst. (Though I'm not seeing Frontier going down that route or something else which would validate the "Thargoids are not stupid" thought line, at least not in such an overtly obvious way)
*RP perspective coloring the view, being that I want to see some kind of consequence to human actions prompting the (direct) invasion of the Bubble. From the Thargoids' perspective killing some millions of people and capturing however many others (there was one article just before the Titan assaults started which mentioned a rough ballpark to guess around) might not be much of a sacrifice to make a demonstration. Unfortunately, I don't think they accounted for the stubbornness of human nature (should they have been aware of it), and our apparent lack of ability to try planning and acting in the long term, else we wouldn't have immediately jumped on the "Blow it up and worry later" train the moment it passed the station.
Besides that, their plans can well have changed in the face of our acting, or they might not have. It's not as if we have a way of knowing right now.
That still feels fundamentally human to me, as it's still applying the concept of "violence as a threat".
What I'm trying to suggest is Thargoids may not even think they're being aggressive to us, and possibly not even realise their actions aren't welcome.
Putting your hand in a pot of boiling water hurts... but that's not because the water is telling you not to do that.
That's not exactly exclusive to humans.
Even plants can threaten with violence.
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Sure... my use of "fundamentally human" was in the context of Humans and Thargoids... there certainly are other species that use threat of violence... my point was rather to propose an explanation that that isn't what the Thargoids are doing... that said...
I'd disagree with the phrasing of this, unless you have a specific example in mind? To be explicit... I would disagree that, say, the thorns of a rose, or the capsaicin of a chilli, or the various elements of carnivorous plants are necessarily a "threat of violence"... specifically with regard to the "threat" part of that statement.
If I walk past someone carrying a gun, I may feel threatened. But it doesn't follow they are threatening me, without further context.
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But it's certainly not beyond them either, and at least from my perspective they have all the reasons to - even if it is not with the aim of extermination. Were that the case, they wouldn't have kept the Titans at the edges of the Bubble but instead had them progressively march inward, leaving nothing behind for humans. Which is also a convenient narrative excuse for Frontier to not burn the Bubble which wouldn't do much for the game. Well, unless they were looking to end it.
Whatever the case, I'm sure we are going to find out what it is the Thargoids are plotting. And I'm interested in finding out.
... the signs aren't really toward them really needing the spires (or only using) for any sort of reason to sustain the Titan so those resources have to be going somewhere, and I doubt it's because the Thargoids really need them that much back home. If they did, they'd just have established such an operation in a quieter area.
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So, I disagree again... but maybe I'm not making the focus of what I'm saying clear.
Unless human presence is a necessary component of this.
Certainly the thorns and stings carry an implicit threat; mess with me and feel pain. Then you'd have to consider the myriad of chemical weapons used by plants day in, day out which are actively used against both potential herbivores and other plants.
Whether you personally find their threats incomprehensibly alien is irrelevant.
Try googling caffeine as insecticide.
Consider all the neuroacitive chemicals people choose to use and consider that they're actually neurotoxic.
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So let's say violence or whatever is not their goal, or even to pose a threat to humans, but maybe they've simply decided that despite their aversion to it, it is the only way that humans will listen because it's how we've been - rather clearly - communicating our intent to them (and don't seem to be discouraged by other means, which is another ironic thing when it is what humans frequently accuse the Thargoids of, to only listen to violence).
In short, they speak violence because it is our language so far... and it is doubtful that any spoken or written warnings of theirs would be taken seriously (if it reached anybody important at all).
In short, they speak violence because it is our language so far... and it is doubtful that any spoken or written warnings of theirs would be taken seriously (if it reached anybody important at all).
If it wasn't for Elite I where you are minding your own business and they just rip you out of witch space to proceed to murder you heinously, I'd think there was more merit to the theory of peaceful thargoids.
Perhaps, but I never played Elite I and I'm not sure how relevant its lore is to the current narrative... so I generally prefer to base myself off of the FFE lore or, really, what we could see in ED. Which, in the former case, seems like humans shot a Thargoid ship kinda unprovoked as it was observing them... leading to the first war, or the Dangerous lore which makes it also seem a lot like Thargoid responses were generally due to human actions rather than anything preemptive from their part. And, until the Proteus Wave got the Titans in, also generally not indiscriminate targeting and/or killing.
According to Drew it was the humans who shot first, though at this point that's probably irrelevant.
The instigator of the current round of hostilities is clearly Wycherley.
The instigator of the current round of hostilities is clearly Wycherley.