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Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?
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From an accuracy perspective, this would be the best way. One week to repair and bring online all stations/ports seems a bit unrealistic but one per week definitely is.
I expect there are cmdrs happy to be lead in the way you describe. As it stands today we are evaluating… we’ve only seen what we have seen and are trying to understand what’s needed.
I will follow actual progress, so alignment will occur where progress occurs, which I have just updated at the top of the thread.
The best case by far is if we can get end-of-cycle target choices from any/all interested organisations, declared by around Tuesday–Wednesday. Thanks go to AXI for their action, with the understanding that 13:24 on Thursday is a too late declaration for the rest of the Galaxy! The end-of-cycle downtime is exactly when Commanders need some form of direction for the next one.
You can't make informed decisions without knowing where the new alert systems are (which isn't known until after the tick).
29 E Orionis has a Surface Port under attack this week (Gibbs Silo), so there are Large pads for Large ship and stubborn Clipper pilots 
This week is a very good week to work around the Oya maelstrom, there's quite a few large population invasion systems (several with mat traders and/or FC admin) with fully functional starports that can supply commodities to fill each other's missions. By next week those starports will likely be under attack and no longer have their commodities markets open.
HIP 38235 is also in Alert state since today evening.
Progress updated; a spot of Invasion effort at Lahua has appeared, as has Recovery effort at HIP 23716.
True, as are many systems! I can only see Alert progress at Vukurbeh (20%) for the moment, though.
Invasion, Controlled and Recovery systems are known perfectly, though. That also covers everything—delivery, evacuation and combat. Of course delivery efforts should be moved to Alert systems ahead of Recovery if it is important to do so, but otherwise it makes no sense to withhold everything on account of that.
No, that is actually a very good summary for new players, or anyone wondering what to do.
I think it's a bad strategy.
We must concentrate our efforts on stopping the alerts, which will be future invasions.
The progression will be stopped and we will have less invasion states. If we continue as usual, we will lose many systems to save just one.
His progression is almost exponential, and our defense is linear. We must stop their progression... before it's too late.
- What you see there is/was fact, not strategy.
- Different states are served best by different types of Commander. Alerts may be important, but I will leave it to you to make a thread calling for combat-focused Commanders to switch to cargo delivery.
There's certainly merit to debating strategy because Humanity has a lot to learn (as we go) about this war. This must happen and we should all be willing to listen to ideas.
There's also no doubt that managing and disseminating information about the current state of things such as states-of-conflict (Alert, Invasion, Recovery, etc.) and what can be done to help is utterly essential to this effort, including some suggestions about priorities to help players who aren't on top of all of this make a decision about their contribution, imo. Please don't stop!
I'm looking at the title of this thread. My head is spinning trying to keep up. Perhaps we can be thoughtful about...
...I was going to continue, but I thought I'd stop here (for the moment).
There's also no doubt that managing and disseminating information about the current state of things such as states-of-conflict (Alert, Invasion, Recovery, etc.) and what can be done to help is utterly essential to this effort, including some suggestions about priorities to help players who aren't on top of all of this make a decision about their contribution, imo. Please don't stop!
I'm looking at the title of this thread. My head is spinning trying to keep up. Perhaps we can be thoughtful about...
...I was going to continue, but I thought I'd stop here (for the moment).
Ok... but I guess this thread is read by the organizers of human resistance... or so I hope.
I'm just pointing out that efforts should be devoted to stopping future infections, not curing infected systems.
In systems on alert, there are combats, and they require less effort than those that are invaded. Every system that we save from the alert will not become invaded, so it will never require such efforts, and more can be saved in a month than invaded systems.
This strategy is the one that is carried out in accidents by medical personnel: they save the less serious ones (the conscious ones), and temporarily leave the most serious ones (the unconscious ones) to their fate, because if they treat the most serious ones first , some of those that are not so serious could become so.
If someone talks to an organizer, let them comment.
I keep thinking Alerts are little problems that can be solved quickly or turn in a big problems. Obviously, we aren't enough commanders to cover all, but... what can we do?
I have a question:
About BGS, population is a big parameter to take into account. Here in thargoid war, population is something to take into account?.
I mean, can we expect a system need double work to get it human controlled than other with half population than the first one?
Because according with this: https://inara.cz/elite/thargoidwar/
Hip 20485 are 55 million of persons, Vukurbeh only 4.
If that is needed to take into account, Vukurbeh should be done really quicker in comparison with Hip 20485.
I'm confused now.. Hip 23716 (recovered last week)... Im sure their population was much more of 100.000 persons. (Is the system taking into account the refugees movement?).
I have a question:
About BGS, population is a big parameter to take into account. Here in thargoid war, population is something to take into account?.
I mean, can we expect a system need double work to get it human controlled than other with half population than the first one?
Because according with this: https://inara.cz/elite/thargoidwar/
Hip 20485 are 55 million of persons, Vukurbeh only 4.
If that is needed to take into account, Vukurbeh should be done really quicker in comparison with Hip 20485.
I'm confused now.. Hip 23716 (recovered last week)... Im sure their population was much more of 100.000 persons. (Is the system taking into account the refugees movement?).
Several Interceptors destroyed in HIP 25679 during which it moved from 14% to 24%, the Alert in Vukurbeh from 20% to 34%, and some solid bolstering of Invasion progress in a few other systems which could result in a potential 5–6 Invasions won this cycle. There have also been a few new spots of Invasion effort in Muchihiks, Obassi Osaw and Mapon.
Shutdown Field Neutraliser is proving to be critical, despite having it in place of a precious Heat Sink Launcher. One can become accustomed to having too small a heat signature for the shutdown to be used, which is at odds with the system AX pilots triggering it every time.
Shutdown Field Neutraliser is proving to be critical, despite having it in place of a precious Heat Sink Launcher. One can become accustomed to having too small a heat signature for the shutdown to be used, which is at odds with the system AX pilots triggering it every time.
As others have noted, what is defined on the commodities board as "construction materials"?
According to the calculations that have been made and which are not 100% reliable, to release a system in alarm requires over 300 commanders, to release a system in invasion, 1500 commanders. This is 5 times more. There does not seem to be a direct relationship with the population of the system.
Likewise, whether it has millions or tens of thousands of inhabitants, it takes a month for the system to change state.
Some great progress overnight with Alert 46% and Invasion 34%, and there has been some fresh activity in Muruidooges.
The best I could offer is that the offline/repairing Outposts (such as Knight Enterprise) have delivery missions for many types of cargo; metals, manufactured goods, foods—although that could just be to help the Outpost independently of the system. Unfortunately many aspects of the war interface are quite ambiguous, and usually we only know for sure after dozens/hundreds of Commanders have had a chance all to attempt the same thing together and observe the effect.
The best I could offer is that the offline/repairing Outposts (such as Knight Enterprise) have delivery missions for many types of cargo; metals, manufactured goods, foods—although that could just be to help the Outpost independently of the system. Unfortunately many aspects of the war interface are quite ambiguous, and usually we only know for sure after dozens/hundreds of Commanders have had a chance all to attempt the same thing together and observe the effect.
I still don't know the rules of the thargoid war, but I ASSUME it is:
1. Alert stage -> if not cleared within a week, goes into invasion(populated)/controlled(unpopulated) stage.
2. Invasion stage -> tick per week, many tick chances until it goes into controlled stage.
3. Controlled stage.
4. Once bar is filled before weekly tick, thargoids are driven out, no matter what stage, goes into recovery stage.
5. System that repelled thargoids in any stage becomes immune to the thargoid war game? Yes/No?
The broad idea is that:
1. We are unable to fully stop the invasion in the short run of-course.
2. The only way to stop the "current" invasion is to crack the secret of maelstroms, and blow them up like the good old days.
3. We will be pushed to a point where we have to decide greed vs humanity, choosing which system is more important than the other, PMF & PP players will have to co-operate with the lots, or more systems will fall. (Meaning some might have to drop their systems just to save systems that has a higher priority for the whole player base, easy example, Sol)
4. If the rules of thargoid war is assumed correctly, we're literally playing a 3D go(boardgame), by dropping all the low priority systems, and saving all the high priority systems, eventually we'll create a small bubble of invasion immune systems.
5. If thargoids have resource limitations, such as a limited amount of scouts and interceptors, as we keep killing, the bar will be easier and easier to fill, we'd be able to push back, but I doubt, so we'd likely be playing with rules. (It'd be interesting if ammonia planets boosts their weekly resources, then strategically we should be focusing on cutting their supply lines.)
How do we crack the maelstrom?
1. Maybe time locked events, such as CG on upgrading scanners -> getting more data -> CG on analyzing data -> breakthrough -> eventually.
2. Or through discovery, visiting all 8 maelstroms and surviving, hand-in all the data/material/cargo that could be obtained there -> ticks on server -> FDev releases content/CG -> eventually.
3. Or brute force, taking down all systems surrounding maelstrom, then maelstrom becomes vulnerable, kill it -> loop with the other 7, but judging on how many players we have, I doubt we could even achieve this.
Right now I just braindead and kill goids (Supporting Awara atm)
1. Alert stage -> if not cleared within a week, goes into invasion(populated)/controlled(unpopulated) stage.
2. Invasion stage -> tick per week, many tick chances until it goes into controlled stage.
3. Controlled stage.
4. Once bar is filled before weekly tick, thargoids are driven out, no matter what stage, goes into recovery stage.
5. System that repelled thargoids in any stage becomes immune to the thargoid war game? Yes/No?
The broad idea is that:
1. We are unable to fully stop the invasion in the short run of-course.
2. The only way to stop the "current" invasion is to crack the secret of maelstroms, and blow them up like the good old days.
3. We will be pushed to a point where we have to decide greed vs humanity, choosing which system is more important than the other, PMF & PP players will have to co-operate with the lots, or more systems will fall. (Meaning some might have to drop their systems just to save systems that has a higher priority for the whole player base, easy example, Sol)
4. If the rules of thargoid war is assumed correctly, we're literally playing a 3D go(boardgame), by dropping all the low priority systems, and saving all the high priority systems, eventually we'll create a small bubble of invasion immune systems.
5. If thargoids have resource limitations, such as a limited amount of scouts and interceptors, as we keep killing, the bar will be easier and easier to fill, we'd be able to push back, but I doubt, so we'd likely be playing with rules. (It'd be interesting if ammonia planets boosts their weekly resources, then strategically we should be focusing on cutting their supply lines.)
How do we crack the maelstrom?
1. Maybe time locked events, such as CG on upgrading scanners -> getting more data -> CG on analyzing data -> breakthrough -> eventually.
2. Or through discovery, visiting all 8 maelstroms and surviving, hand-in all the data/material/cargo that could be obtained there -> ticks on server -> FDev releases content/CG -> eventually.
3. Or brute force, taking down all systems surrounding maelstrom, then maelstrom becomes vulnerable, kill it -> loop with the other 7, but judging on how many players we have, I doubt we could even achieve this.
Right now I just braindead and kill goids
(Supporting Awara atm)
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