Community Event / Creation The C-Pod: A DIY Command seat (build log)

Good colour scheme ....

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The black area represents the cutout .. the orange is edge

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Thinner edge around square (screw?) placings

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Darker background is new edge (take care with cut out diameters though ..
lines thicken either side of their centre-line) ... x.|.x becomes x...|...x

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WARNING WARNING : yes .. the circles (light orange band) need to be resized for EDIT3 to be correct ...

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Wow! You make light work out of this :) I'm going to have to seriously sit down and figure out what's needed. I really appreciate your efforts with this.

Regarding the screws, one of the ideas behind the plate approach is to remove them from completely sight :) I'll make a new template based on the original as I can reduce the top cutout and also the one to the side.

Must ... keep ... going ... Must ... progress ...

Boring stuff for anyone watching but more prepping and sanding of the sides. These are ready for a coat of flat black:



Off I go to get my roller ...

I need to tidy the place up a bit as well. There's stuff everywhere :(
 
No worries .. vectoring is done, any of those shapes can be re-sized/ removed/ recoloured/ have a DBOBE background dropped in ..
they snap onto their original centre lines, so it's a quick job

as ....

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or sample2

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Likewise .. I'm about done for the day I think :D
 
Nice work Winterwalker.

I've been looking around for a few ideas and remembered the Roccat Powergrid MoodyB put together. I looked at the lettering and liked what I saw. Fairly simple with a slightly glowing text effect. After Googling a few videos, I managed to make my own. This is what I came up with:



I also looked at an arcade machine called Blip - one of the very best. The control panel is outstanding. Looking at it, the rings and thin lines are very effective. Something which could be used:



I will be making a similar overlay for the stick as well and like some of the markings around the trackball (but with less arrows).

I managed to get a second coat of flat black on (pictures are a bit rubbish because I'm tired):



... and took a couple of shots:





They still need a bit of work so are not ready to varnish yet.
 
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No room in my study for a full cockpit, and if I started something major without finishing my arcade machine I'd be in trouble.

However, these control boxes for your throttle and joystick are really good looking, and that, combined with someone else mentioning modifying an office chair I think I may just get something started, at a smaller scale.

Replacement arms for my desk chair with integrated throttle and joystick. I'll start nutting it out over the weekend and hopefully i'll stay motivated enough to share a build log like you're doing.
 

Rafe Zetter

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loving this build log, inspired me to smarten up my shaped plywood with this fabulous stuff. Could be of interest for you and certainly for Rafe as an alternative to paint and a wipe clean surface to boot :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4D-GLOSS-...t=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item2c6a7851bb

Been away for a week in New York and look at all these thread posts! Great progression !!

@ Markozzy - OH HELLO!!! Now ain't that just purty :D I've used fablon in the past, but it never occurred to me to think of it this time, what an excellent idea TY.

@ TIOO - thanks for the idea of pipe insulation for the arms too, brilliant; just glue some fabric on and stick them on, simples.

As for your idea covering the throttle top with 6mm mdf - one of the reasons I didn't like the warthog is the pre-labelled switched, but I realised they are detachable, so you could in theory get some thin sheet metal maybe, and using the detachable faces as templates; shape accordingly and attach.

Edit: NVM, you've got that in hand

If the originals light up, you could get really funky and do it with clear sheet, add some letters to the underside, spray then remove letters to reveal clear sheet for light up labels, or a lighting led rig, not too hard I wouldn't think.

Thankfully the X55 has generic labels I can live with.

Edit: NVM, you've got that in hand too :)

That numeric display, what are you going to use it for?

It's a bit late to be of help now, but I've found that using car body filler, mixed 50/50 with fibreglass resin is brilliant for using as a surface grain filler. The resin uses the same catalyst and thins the body filler so you can almost paint it on - I tend to spread it using an old credit card so it goes much further and requires less sanding, it also soaks into endgrain of MDF making it really solid.

Another tip I can impart is if you need to fill inconsistancies, use a 70 / 30 filler / resin mix; spread some of it but blob in the deeper areas where it needs to be then press the parts together, if you need them to separate after just use a sheet of paper between, it's thin enough not to matter, and can be sanded away if absolutely necessary. This trick is especially good for filling plywood edges where there can be void holes and such if it needs to be superflat for finishing.

It's the same technique as classical cabinet makers used with a product called Gesso, which is a mixture of whiting and rabbit glue used as a grain filler, as a base for gold leaf gilding, decorative shapes (like all that fancy stuff on a mirror frame) or as a base for supershiny paint work (it's how they get that perfect flawless steinway piano black finish), but is simpler, and sets much faster.

I've used this trick lots of times to get things back into "true" where needed.

You can use the same trick with waxed formers; flat to get super flat surfaces pretty much right off with little finishing, or shapes, textures, homemade moulds, all sorts.

Edit: If you want a super duper uber super flat surface , first time, with almost no finishing; like on the joystick pod sides, go to your nearest PVC window company and ask then for a mis-made double glazed unit (the glass bit), they will have hundreds. Get it home and disasemble to get just 1 pane of glass. Put that onto some MDF as a base. Now do the runny epoxy mixture and spread THINLY onto the surface you want flat using a NOTCHED bit of card or old credit card - use small notches - same size as on a handsaw, the notches are to allow for spread. Place that side face down onto the glass carefully and walk away. The epoxy is a catalytic cure as you know so it'll still cure properly, give it several hours or overnight if you can as the runny mixture (with less catalyst so you have a longer working time) takes longer to cure, and you do not want to lift it when still wet as it'll go .

It will seem like it's stuck to the glass, but it isn't, a sharp knock should see it free, but DO NOT HIT THE GLASS!!! a knock on the edge of safety glass will shatter it.

You might wish to do this before beveling the sides so you don't have to deal with squeeze out.

The glass will impart a perfectly flat high gloss finish and if you do have any bubbles just fix them as normal.

Edit: - oh and another trick, you can add coloured paint powder to add a precolour which will reduce how many primer / colour coats you'll need. You could do this to route a groove or something for detail and fill with orange metallic coloured epoxy. You could even..even, route all the way through say for the switch covers if you added those lines you mentioned and use colour mixed resin to fill that, which will then light up with a light kit below.... (sorry I just gave you more work didn't I ?) just place it on top of glass or something then fill the routed shapes.

For applying the vinyl - use a rubber squeegee - so much simpler and how the proffs do it.


@ Ven Jarvik - this link might help for getting your hands on greeblies, any old machine will do to take apart, plus you'll get your hands on PCB's too for that extra authentic look in your simpit:

http://www.ghostofzeon.com/diy/salvage/dvdparts.html

You could also use the filler / resin trick on a sheet of ply with electronic parts pushed into it or used as a texture shaper.

Your issue with the shiny cardboard covered in resin is easy to solve - a scotchpad and elbow grease, that will dull it down - alternatively 240 - 400 grit wet and dry, supersmooth and you can get the finish you want from matt to semi satin, (or go as high as you like to mirror polished).

The 48 hr drying time is down to how little catalyst you used, you need to add more, longest drying time I've ever had was 6 hrs and that was for a super runny consistency I needed to get inside a cavity. 48 hrs is way too long, could be an issue with the components there.
 
I'll start nutting it out over the weekend and hopefully i'll stay motivated enough to share a build log like you're doing.

Excellent! Please do post pictures, I'd love to see.

That numeric display, what are you going to use it for?

It's a bit late to be of help now, but I've found that using car body filler, mixed 50/50 with fibreglass resin is brilliant for using as a surface grain filler. The resin uses the same catalyst and thins the body filler so you can almost paint it on - I tend to spread it using an old credit card so it goes much further and requires less sanding, it also soaks into endgrain of MDF making it really solid.

Another tip I can impart is if you need to fill inconsistancies, use a 70 / 30 filler / resin mix; spread some of it but blob in the deeper areas where it needs to be then press the parts together, if you need them to separate after just use a sheet of paper between, it's thin enough not to matter, and can be sanded away if absolutely necessary. This trick is especially good for filling plywood edges where there can be void holes and such if it needs to be superflat for finishing.

It's the same technique as classical cabinet makers used with a product called Gesso, which is a mixture of whiting and rabbit glue used as a grain filler, as a base for gold leaf gilding, decorative shapes (like all that fancy stuff on a mirror frame) or as a base for supershiny paint work (it's how they get that perfect flawless steinway piano black finish), but is simpler, and sets much faster.

I've used this trick lots of times to get things back into "true" where needed.

You can use the same trick with waxed formers; flat to get super flat surfaces pretty much right off with little finishing, or shapes, textures, homemade moulds, all sorts.

Edit: If you want a super duper uber super flat surface , first time, with almost no finishing; like on the joystick pod sides, go to your nearest PVC window company and ask then for a mis-made double glazed unit (the glass bit), they will have hundreds. Get it home and disasemble to get just 1 pane of glass. Put that onto some MDF as a base. Now do the runny epoxy mixture and spread THINLY onto the surface you want flat using a NOTCHED bit of card or old credit card - use small notches - same size as on a handsaw, the notches are to allow for spread. Place that side face down onto the glass carefully and walk away. The epoxy is a catalytic cure as you know so it'll still cure properly, give it several hours or overnight if you can as the runny mixture (with less catalyst so you have a longer working time) takes longer to cure, and you do not want to lift it when still wet as it'll go .

It will seem like it's stuck to the glass, but it isn't, a sharp knock should see it free, but DO NOT HIT THE GLASS!!! a knock on the edge of safety glass will shatter it.

You might wish to do this before beveling the sides so you don't have to deal with squeeze out.

The glass will impart a perfectly flat high gloss finish and if you do have any bubbles just fix them as normal.

Edit: - oh and another trick, you can add coloured paint powder to add a precolour which will reduce how many primer / colour coats you'll need. You could do this to route a groove or something for detail and fill with orange metallic coloured epoxy. You could even..even, route all the way through say for the switch covers if you added those lines you mentioned and use colour mixed resin to fill that, which will then light up with a light kit below.... (sorry I just gave you more work didn't I ?) just place it on top of glass or something then fill the routed shapes.

For applying the vinyl - use a rubber squeegee - so much simpler and how the proffs do it.

Loads of tips to look into there Rafe. Thanks :)

The display is purely decorative and will fit into a recess on the seat sides:

 
Excellent! Please do post pictures, I'd love to see.



Loads of tips to look into there Rafe. Thanks :)

The display is purely decorative and will fit into a recess on the seat sides:


I hate to say it but, the design for the joystick pods concerns me, unless I'm missing something (99.99% chance I am) as the three support thing won't work unless it's fixed? If it's made to be adjustable, don't know if it is, the two vertical supports and the single diagonal support won't be able to move up and down together. It'll bind up and not be able to move in/out.

I know I missed this somewhere but, just saying. Is it fixed in position or are the supports somehow independent of each other to allow adjustment?
 
You are correct with that configuration Sanderson. This is the idea I had to make it removable:





I'm also considering a number of other configurations:









These will allow for a simple 'drop in' approach. Each of these will use a top plate to add to the stability but are not shown in the last 2 designs.

In terms of adjustability, I have considered routing slots in the base running lengthways There will be the same number of slots as the number of supports. A bolt will pass through these slots and into the stabilising base. I will used threaded inserts for the bolts to screw into. The threaded inserts will be drilled into the 'keel' or the hardwood pole supports.



There's a whole lot of other configurations which could be used.

I also have a few more ideas!

Edit: If these ideas don't work out, I'll fix them in-place.
 
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Sorry guys but the text lower far fight needs to be horizontal.
(old engineering habits die hard)

That's OK .. sorry, which text? ^ " which one one went where? " :D

I also looked at an arcade machine called Blip - one of the very best. The control panel is outstanding. Looking at it, the rings and thin lines are very effective. Something which could be used:


I like the arcade device design a lot. Flash MX is good for constructing such things.

I think there's a real advantage in that, what happens if you assign a switch, make a facia to label it, then something in the game changes or you change your mind? Do you make the enitre facia over again?

I've played with ideas like this before .. you can use "gobbledegook"!! ..the arcade machine almost does (but thinks ... ANYONE could understand it, in ANY language .. english, russian, chinese, arabic, egyptian .. clever really) ..

Another possible way to go can be to use lettering which distinguishes buttons from each other but doesn't actually mean anything .. so if button assign changes it doesn't matter

Star Wars "Sith Prophecy" Font
sithprophecy_sample.gif

source: http://www.erikstormtrooper.com/sithprophecy.htm
(your man was building Darth Vader's "chest box"!)

I've been looking around for a few ideas and remembered the Roccat Powergrid MoodyB put together. I looked at the lettering and liked what I saw. Fairly simple with a slightly glowing text effect. After Googling a few videos, I managed to make my own. This is what I came up with:


Yes .. I've no idea how to do this glow effect .. can you point at a tutorial maybe? (happy to learn how) .. and which true-type (?) font have you used?

No more long posts from me today .. the forums are going to be taken down for their revamp I understand .. see you on the other side ..
 
I hate to say it but, the design for the joystick pods concerns me, unless I'm missing something (99.99% chance I am) as the three support thing won't work unless it's fixed? If it's made to be adjustable, don't know if it is, the two vertical supports and the single diagonal support won't be able to move up and down together. It'll bind up and not be able to move in/out.

I know I missed this somewhere but, just saying. Is it fixed in position or are the supports somehow independent of each other to allow adjustment?

It might be removable, but not adjustable, and it would work.
The two vertical supports go into sockets and the diagonal rests on its surface.

But estetically a more enclosed fitting might be better.
 
The side panels for the stick have been filled, sanded back again and had a final coat of flat black applied.

I'm now working on the top plate for the stick. I'll be using 6mm MDF because of the clearance.

Handle removed:



Clearance:



Hole saw (looks like a very tight fit so I'll need to be extremely accurate with this and I don't have a larger one):

 
Yes .. I've no idea how to do this glow effect .. can you point at a tutorial maybe? (happy to learn how) .. and which true-type (?) font have you used?

No more long posts from me today .. the forums are going to be taken down for their revamp I understand .. see you on the other side ..

And ... we're out the other side.

The font is 'downlink' which I sourced from dafont.com. I looked at this Photoshop video to give me some ideas and then started experimenting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=802g72R2594

There's also one to introduce Scanlines which I will be checking out also - it looks even better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sRaxJ3aqNY

Made some progress today:

Drilled the hole for the stick and rough cut the basic panel shape:





Trimmed it back and covered it with vinyl:



Not as accurate as I'd like:





My rubber matting arrived:



Close-up:



Cut some backimng board and cut the rubber to size:



Good fit in the window:



Loose assembled:



I'm currently in the middle of varnishing all the side panels.
 
Just wanted to mention that ive started a general simpit thread in the forum for anyone to post anything. Ill be posting my plans there searching for feedback and pointers so please check it out now and then.
From here on ill stick to discussing your build in your thread TIOO, its what its made for :)
 
Looking forwards to that Enride ... a lot!

First coat of polyurethane is on (the backs have already had two coats):



The finish on the first coat is always a little patchy. By the third coat, it's usually good.

The varnish also helps to bring out the deep black nicely.
 
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