General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[metatheurgist]

I admire your faith in the human race but I think the world will have ended before we can breed the stupid out of it.

Weeeeell, we've never had a time when we actively favored smart people. I think the closest we got was the 60s. As time passes it seems we favor breeding dumb people more than not. That time someone tried to talk about breeding "superior" people bad things happened. And do we really want to summon the Bill Gates is a eugenicist people again.

 

[Patrick_68000]

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Daring here !

 

[Patrick_68000]

The Lion of Belfort (11 meters high and 22 meters long) also had its mask at the start of the epidemic.

For the anecdote, we do not know the acrobat who posed this giant mask during the night.

 

[BDelacroix]

Pinning people down and jabbing them is probably a little over the top.

Do it via indirect pressure, deny the unvaccinated admission to schools, workplaces, passports, drivers licences anything that requires an application. Heavy fines for falsification.

That way you have entirely optional mandatory vaccination.

This is how it is going to happen. None of that faffing about with actually having to follow a procedure to make a law.

I have to ask. If this is made mandatory? Why not make ALL vaccines mandatory?

 

[Stigbob]

This is how it is going to happen. None of that faffing about with actually having to follow a procedure to make a law.

I have to ask. If this is made mandatory? Why not make ALL vaccines mandatory?

I've changed my mind since then, just make vaccines mandatory.

 

[PRORABBIT67]

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Russia's mandatory vaccine program.

 

[Patrick_68000]

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Russia's mandatory vaccine program.

Beautiful image of Putin riding a bear.

Too bad there’s a Soyuz rocket passing behind at that moment.

 

[metatheurgist]

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Russia's mandatory vaccine program.

I've heard Putin can vaccinate women just by looking at them.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I've heard Putin can vaccinate women just by looking at them.

Is that part of the mandatory program, too ?

 

[sewerratuk]

I've heard Putin can vaccinate women just by looking at them.

I heard that COVID doesn’t infect Chuck Norris, Chuck Norris infects COVID

 

[PRORABBIT67]

 

[Morbad]

This is how it is going to happen. None of that faffing about with actually having to follow a procedure to make a law.

There are already laws for this stuff in most first world nations I'm vaguely aware of, with quite a few vaccines already mandatory. For example, in the US, individual states get to set which vaccines are required and all of them mandate certain vaccines for children in public and private education, as well as various care facilities, with a variety of possible exemptions.

State Vaccination Requirements | CDC

State Vaccine Requirements

www.cdc.gov

I have to ask. If this is made mandatory? Why not make ALL vaccines mandatory?

Because not all vaccine-preventable diseases are pressing public health issues. Very few people in the US are still immunized against smallpox because smallpox is now extinct in nature and making people immune to something they'll never likely encounter is not worth even the tiny risk of complications. The anthrax vaccine isn't mandatory because few people are exposed to the more dangerous forms of anthrax. Influenza vaccines are only mandatory for healthcare workers because the overall cost/benefit ratio of making them a requirement for others means it's not worthwhile to do so.

COVID-19 is proving to be a serious health risk and a significant disruption to society, so the chances of making a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine (once a proven one is available) mandatory in the same manner as others seems fairly high.

 

[Deleted member 257907]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma-k81Wv_nU

 

[Deleted member 257907]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dy1hgnDoPM

 

[Old Duck]

I recently heard on mainstream media (not Fox news) that some vaccines are made out of aborted fetuses. Surely not! Is this a Qanon rumor that the radio host did a poor job communicating?

 

[Deleted member 257907]

I recently heard on mainstream media (not Fox news) that some vaccines are made out of aborted fetuses. Surely not! Is this a Qanon rumor that the radio host did a poor job communicating?

Cells derived from elective abortions have been used since the 1960s to manufacture vaccines, including current vaccines against rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis A, and shingles. They have also been used to make approved drugs against diseases including hemophilia, rheumatoid arthritis, and cystic fibrosis. Now, research groups around the world are working to develop more than 130 candidate vaccines against COVID-19, according to the World Health Organization; 10 had entered human trials as of 2 June.

At least five of the candidate COVID-19 vaccines use one of two human fetal cell lines: HEK-293, a kidney cell line widely used in research and industry that comes from a fetus aborted in about 1972; and PER.C6, a proprietary cell line owned by Janssen, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, developed from retinal cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985. Both cell lines were developed in the lab of molecular biologist Alex van der Eb at Leiden University. Two of the five vaccines have entered human trials (see table, below).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells

 

[Iron Body]

I recently heard on mainstream media (not Fox news) that some vaccines are made out of aborted fetuses. Surely not! Is this a Qanon rumor that the radio host did a poor job communicating?

It has been reported in the UK press that the medicine given to Trump was derived from an aborted fetus - more than 40 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/trump-covid-drug-developed-using-cells-derived-from-

 

[Deleted member 257907]

It has been reported in the UK press that the medicine given to Trump was derived from an aborted fetus - more than 40 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/trump-covid-drug-developed-using-cells-derived-from-

the link is broken maybe some part got cut out at the end cells-derived-from-?

 

[Old Duck]

At least five of the candidate COVID-19 vaccines use one of two human fetal cell lines: HEK-293, a kidney cell line widely used in research and industry that comes from a fetus aborted in about 1972; and PER.C6, a proprietary cell line owned by Janssen, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, developed from retinal cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985. Both cell lines were developed in the lab of molecular biologist Alex van der Eb at Leiden University. Two of the five vaccines have entered human trials (see table, below).

I'm not a geneticist, so forgive my ignorance, but IIRC this means a single fetus was used for the development but not the actual production of the vaccine, kinda like the "mother" of a vinegar or yogurt culture, yes? In other words, the vaccine doesn't require a steady stream of fetuses as "raw material" to produce en masse. Obviously I can't open the can of worms that is the Pro Life vs Pro Choice debate, but suffice it to say, I don't want this vaccine to be Soylent Green!

 

[Deleted member 257907]

I'm not a geneticist, so forgive my ignorance, but IIRC this means a single fetus was used for the development but not the actual production of the vaccine, kinda like the "mother" of a vinegar or yogurt culture, yes? In other words, the vaccine doesn't require a steady stream of fetuses as "raw material" to produce en masse. Obviously I can't open the can of worms that is the Pro Life vs Pro Choice debate, but suffice it to say, I don't want this vaccine to be Soylent Green!

Im no expert either.
From what I understand they have these "old" (1972 & 1985 abortions) fetal cells that they genetically modified and cultivated for years.