The Difference Between PvP and "Griefing"
- Thread starter StarfireIX
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Off topic but i can't let people put words I never said : "I just tried it for science and to prove it was a problem to FDEV when I reported it" is your assumption.
I 100% admitted and assumed i used this exploit. I also stopped using it once FDev said it was an exploit that could makes you banned.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...update_engineer_exploit_action_taken/dj97l9j/
And because exploited modules have been removed i am as legit as you are.
FDEV taking your exploited modules away doesn't and never will make you a legit player.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Still does not change the fact other PVEers were not. A lot of people took advantage of this stuff. Not just PVPers.
Just because you didnt. Does not mean there is not an imbalance to begin with. And just because you are "legit" Does not mean it makes whats happening in the game right now okay.
I'm not a PVE'er I play in all the modes.
Nobody's legit in this game, too many exploits be it credit / engineer / synthesis...
I wish Thargoids just throw humanity in a space / time distortion and reset the galaxy
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Please stop this off topic -for-tat stuff.
I think you make a great point with this and several other posts before. There was an exploit with the engineers>it was utilized by some who were aware of it the same as several dozen other big exploits are used in the game> Fdev weighed in and said it was unintentional and closed the loop and removed the exploit and also the exploited modules>end of story. The only difference between this exploit and the, say, 17 Draconis Skimmer for Massacre Missions exploit, is that Fdev removed the modules and has done squat about the mega-flation credits swamping the universe.
At the end of the day the 5/1 exploit was exactly the same as any of the others, and utilized for exactly the same reason as any of the others, but the key difference is that it was the "smoking gun" piece of evidence of skullduggery against PvPers that PvErs have fantasies about; an exploit that didn't affect them and that they didn't know about (supposedly) that allowed them to climb up on their collective soapboxes and point the trembling finger of almighty righteous indignation at their mortal enemies and screech "GUILTY!!!!!"
Meanwhile happily going about their business utilizing all of the other exploits that Fdev didn't seem to care to address.
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Nope, it was using the 5-1 exploit in secret for a year whilst telling the legit players to "git-gud" that did most of the credibility damage.
As for "almighty righteous indignation" adding cheats to your block list and getting on with the game isn't really a big deal.
Speak for yourself, I don't exploit.
Aww, I typed out a very profound post, to re-rail the thread and....
"This thread is closed!"
Short its-too-late-to-care-anymore version...
Whether something is griefing or not is entirely based on the perception of the victim. No one can tell you otherwise.
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
"This thread is closed!"
Short its-too-late-to-care-anymore version...
Whether something is griefing or not is entirely based on the perception of the victim. No one can tell you otherwise.
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Stop it, it doesnt directly apply to you. And it doesn't change the fact others took advantage of it that dont PVP. Just like you reamed be for saying "everyone" in a post I made, does not mean you represent "everyone" either. Door swings both ways brother.
There are lots of people running around that used the money exploit and the engineers exploit. And one was favored over the other.
And to be quite honest. I dont blame anyone for using them. However, I do believe people feel griefed because of them. Because they really do give people an unfair advantage over others. As not everyone knows or uses them. They arent the basic mission you get unless you go to that specific area. Ceos and sothis, Robigo, ect.
Level playing field dude. Thats all anyone is asking for. And its a major reason why people feel "griefed". Because you have to take advantage of those things because others do.
No one wanted to use the g1/g5 exploits. But PVPers did because others did. And they did it for the level playing field. If one person did it. They were the king of the mountain. SO they all did it.
Which is why secondaries are bad. And EVERYONE should be able to obtain the same roll as everyone else. And use the special effects to be unique. And its a huge reason why people loved pvp before RNGers.
Exactly the same lame excuses could be used for combat logging.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
No argument there. Its a problem on both ends and they are tackling it soon.
Hopefully so, the karma stuff might solve a lot of issues.
I thought this place was the game.. [haha] Or were you talking about the screenshot generator?
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
As long as it effects the "PVE" aspects too. And criminal are rewarded for being bad. And are also hunted by players for incentive for being bad.
I want to be hunted by players. I love the game of cat and mouse. Its really awesome and gives some depth to this game. People come after my bounty all the time at CGS. And if there were expanded upon. I think we would see more "good guys" and even friends turning on each other for the fun of it.
It could give us some really awesome experiences.
And I think it would draw a lot of people into open. Now if they would just do something about the imbalances of engineers so people can get the same rolls as everyone. And this comes down to skill vs skill. Like it used to be.
Everyone would have a wonderful time, We could kick each others butt across the galaxy with no hard feelings. And hopefully see less out of game threats, doxxing, and namecalling. There will always be banter, but wew lad. Some of the stuff ive personally seen on my end and what others have shown me can out right be scary because someone got "griefed" or killed in a spaceship game.
Said it before but I dunno why FDev don't do that.
Surely it couldn't be that hard to make it so that players can port their flying death-machines across to CQC?
There'd be no re-buy cos CQC could be some kind of "holographic simulation" but perhaps they could even set it up so there's categories for small, medium and large ships and offer, say, a million credits to whoever is winning after an hour's play?
Nobody's going to make a fortune earning a million credits an hour in CQC, compared to what you can earn in-game, but it'd be a bit of an incentive.
And, if CQC still didn't get any takers, at least FDev would know, for sure, it's because PvPers aren't interested in a fair fight and they could use that information when deciding how to handle PvP in the proper game.
Ah, see, if only I had put a smiley in there you would have had an idea about the humour I was expressing.
Never mind though.
I have thought the same thing. There really isnt a reason not to make CQC copies of ships from open and allow straight up PVP combat as a legit method of progression. As soon as I saw that CQC was outside of the game proper I knew it was going to fail. All they need to do is keep the scoring systems in place and allow pilots to fly to arena locations throughout the bubble and participate. Heck they could add a spectator mode for people to watch while playing. It could be an in game sport of sorts.
Who knows. Maybe in the future it will be something they look into. It sure would bring balance issues into the light much faster and more accurately than hearing it on the forums with no proof. It can help balance combat interactions between real pilots.
by all means this. Make it so you are rewarded per kill (scales with ship loadout value and rank of other pilot). Don't take away credits here, too many things to go wrong. No rebuys as it is a simmulator, nothing to rebuy. Turn CQC into something almost like overwatch or what have you. Allow AI bots for the cases when not enough people are available. Turn it into a professional sport, for lack of a better term.