The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[clavain]

Here's my one: From Cambridge on 20.03.3301 @ 10:45 pm UTC

http://imgur.com/DrSkIqn

Fields of view are different I think - you have over 15 degrees, I have around 11.7 degrees (never changed this so presumably it is default?). That plus zoom level (and perhaps type of ocular lens being used as well if you start fiddling with those settings) will show a different starfield everytime I suspect - or the same starfield, just a different depth and/or breadth, so focusing on different stars.

Also, do you have constellations turned on?

 

[James Helios]

In the middle of the theorized Rift area, surrounded by sector Syreadiae, is a system named HR 237. Has anyone paid it a visit?

 

[roadrage]

OK, here is a slightly zoomed out equatorial grid view looking N from the horizon from Royal Observatory Greenwich (which isn't really that much different from Cambridge, just a slight offset or whatever the appropriate astronomical term is). The interesting thing to note in the zoomed out version, is, yup, good old Polaris once more (selected here for fun).

http://imgur.com/bLuwOXC

Edit: And just to really mess with our minds, Cepheus was the King of Ethiopia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepheus_(constellation)

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Check your timezone to make sure it is UTC (and not UTC + x or UTC - x). The default seems to be to use your system timezone, and I cannot find a way to change that even when you change locations. So for example my (seemingly unchangeable) timezone is UTC -3, so if I want 22:45 UTC I have to set the time at 19:45.

And, consider this. In the year 3301, Polaris will no longer be the North Pole star for earth, it will be Gamma Cephi, which will be closer around the year 3000. Cephus, king of Aetheopia, Queen Cassiopiea, and their daughter, Andromeda. Been down this road, and came up with a big fat nothing so far.

Another interesting bit, I've found 3 systems that are unique in this so far fruitless search. Epsilon Ursae Majoris, aka Alioth. Gamma Cephi, aka Alrai, and 23 Theta Bootis, aka Asellus Primus. These are the only 3 I've found that mention that they were known as another name in the system description. I believe they are also all navigation stars.

And lastly, Eta Ursae Majoris, aka Alkaid. 7 stars, 7 HMC planets, 3 gas giants. Leader of the 3 mourning maidens, the handle of the big dipper. Sounds kinda like Kahina's family to me.

Thought I'd throw in these thoughts from my extensive notes on this. Might spark someone's tinfoil. I'm actually approaching this from a mathematical angle, 3 planes can form a point. It takes 3 points to define a plane. We'll see where it goes.

 

[Gypsy12]

Fields of view are different I think - you have over 15 degrees, I have around 11.7 degrees (never changed this so presumably it is default?). That plus zoom level (and perhaps type of ocular lens being used as well if you start fiddling with those settings) will show a different starfield everytime I suspect - or the same starfield, just a different depth and/or breadth, so focusing on different stars.

Also, do you have constellations turned on?

Probably adjusts for the screen involved. Yup, I did fiddle with constellations, but turned em off for clarity. What im wondering at the moment is should we use GMT (As that's where the FD Universe is based) or UTC?

What do you think?

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

The problem with Polaris is, as we all know its permit locked with no known way of obtaining the permit.

 

[Han_Zen]

From Cambridge or Greenwich?

I don't know. If it is London, Cambirge should be visible as well, I think?

 

[clavain]

And, consider this. In the year 3301, Polaris will no longer be the North Pole star for earth, it will be Gamma Cephi, which will be closer around the year 3000. Cephus, king of Aetheopia, Queen Cassiopiea, and their daughter, Andromeda. Been down this road, and came up with a big fat nothing so far.

Another interesting bit, I've found 3 systems that are unique in this so far fruitless search. Epsilon Ursae Majoris, aka Alioth. Gamma Cephi, aka Alrai, and 23 Theta Bootis, aka Asellus Primus. These are the only 3 I've found that mention that they were known as another name in the system description. I believe they are also all navigation stars.

And lastly, Eta Ursae Majoris, aka Alkaid. 7 stars, 7 HMC planets, 3 gas giants. Leader of the 3 mourning maidens, the handle of the big dipper. Sounds kinda like Kahina's family to me.

Thought I'd throw in these thoughts from my extensive notes on this. Might spark someone's tinfoil. I'm actually approaching this from a mathematical angle, 3 planes can form a point. It takes 3 points to define a plane. We'll see where it goes.

Nice work, even if going nowhere yet. I noticed the Alioth-Alrai-Alkaid-Asellus Primus appearance on a zoomed in (or out) version of the very first screenshot I posted I believe.

 

[Muetdhiver]

This has already been explored quite a bit. Cepheus is very far from RR line,
which we know is roughly correct. Though, there is Cep - X1 in cassiopeia constellation,
but it's not ingame.

The only constellations that are relevant with respect to the RR line are Cassiopeia and Perseus ("lower" part of H&S region is the top of Perseus.)

• Greek mythos will only lead us to constellations and such, which are very large (i.e. not very usefull). There is no deep space objects named after greek mythos that I know of. I've tried many way to piece the clues together with myths, but it leads to really large areas, that are often not on the RR line and very much tinfoil.
• Cambridge/Vernal equinox/Outer gas giants are second tier "clues", i.e. clues that we don't even know if they are indeed clues. If you go there and conclude anything, go back to the primary clues to see if they fit. If not => tinfoil. Some tin to work with : Uranus was discovered by herschel in that period of the year, herschel is well known for his catalog. There is Also Uranias mirror, a set of constellations drawing published in 1824 (2814...), and there might be something about the sky in Cambridge at the vernal equinox. There is also a Cambridge catalog of radio sources.*
• IMO mixing different mythos just makes little to no sense.
• The clues might be pointing to some class of stellar object. (that would be much helpfull)

*I decline any repsonsabilties for actute tin poisoning after using these ideas XD.

 

[clavain]

Probably adjusts for the screen involved. Yup, I did fiddle with constellations, but turned em off for clarity. What im wondering at the moment is should we use GMT (As that's where the FD Universe is based) or UTC?

What do you think?

They are the same thing - different terminologies for the same timezone. GMT was seen as being too "imperial" so they invented another term for it. Edit: it is a bit more complex than that, as UTC is not a time zone, but for practical purposes they are the same.

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I don't know. If it is London, Cambirge should be visible as well, I think?

Not sure what you mean here. I used Greenwich as my location in Stellarium, faced north on the horizon, and then centred the image on 52 degrees, which gave me Polaris dead in the centre. Can try the same thing for Cambridge as the location, but suspect the result will be close to identical (could be wrong, but they really aren't _that_ far away from each other in astronomical terms).

 

[Dielos]

Almost no need anymore for markers to draw the line...

Spoiler

 

[Kitty]

"and as you wander through the Rift,
be warned that Raxxla is in your midst."

 

[Gypsy12]

According to Wolfram alpha, I get a Vernal Equinox time of 19:10 GMT on the 20/03/3301

Definitely not 10:45Pm...

 

[clavain]

According to Wolfram alpha, I get a Vernal Equinox time of 19:10 GMT on the 20/03/3301

Definitely not 10:45Pm...

I thought we were assuming that 2015 and 3301 were the same astronomically in-game (i.e. use 2015 times of astronomical events to represent 3301)? Ditto 2016 and 3302? Someone stated earlier that that was the case for FD's galaxy (not sure if that is correct or not though).

Edit: Can anyone confirm this?

Edit: Using 3301 as the year, and 19:10 UTC for vernal equinox, all I can find directly overhead on 20 March are a bunch of unnamed stars, and the only thing seemingly of interest on the N horizon 0 degree line is part of Draco constellation

 

[Gypsy12]

Timing is where the whole Kahina trip to Sol gets a bit weird.

She shows up on Feb 9th, saying she isn't going to be late.
Arrives at Mars High on Mar 6 and/or Mar 9, again saying she isn't going to be late.
On Mar 17, she heads out to Titan.
Back to Mars again, in time to leave on the Mar 20.
Finally hitting Earth sometime between Mar 20 and 27.
Stays on Earth until Apr 02.

So regarding Kahina being on Earth for the Equinox on the 20th, we don't know if she actually made it on time, and if this was the intention of her trip, why was she still at Mars High right up to the 20th?
It certainly doesn't square with her worrying about being late over a month earlier.

This sounds a lot like triangulation to me... Or perhaps she was triple checking her results between Mars, Titan and Earth?

 

[Dielos]

"and as you wander through the Rift,
be warned that Raxxla is in your midst."

Where does this come from? Have never seen it before.

I never thought that the Rift and Raxxla could be connected in location...

 

[Belthize]

This sounds a lot like triangulation to me... Or perhaps she was triple checking her results between Mars, Titan and Earth?

If you figure out that math (triangulation from those objects 1300 years from now from unspecified points in orbit around them) be sure to write a paper on it, should be worth a Masters degree.

 

[Gypsy12]

This sounds a lot like triangulation to me... Or perhaps she was triple checking her results between Mars, Titan and Earth?

I did notice earlier that Venus, Earth and Mars are almost forming a conjunction in March 3301AD. I better check if Saturn is lined up too... But its getting late here. Maybe somebody can help with that.

 

[CMDR DancingLemur]

http://www.solarsystemscope.com/

http://www.theplanetstoday.com/

Planetary positions

 

[Gypsy12]

I did notice earlier that Venus, Earth and Mars are almost forming a conjunction in March 3301AD. I better check if Saturn is lined up too... But its getting late here. Maybe somebody can help with that.

Nevermind... Saturn is on the other side of the solar system at that time. Closest thing to line up is the comet Encke. Oh well...

Another useful link...It get better when you fiddle with the settings. Just hit the date in the centre to change it.

http://solarsystem.appzend.net/

 

[Han_Zen]

Not sure what you mean here. I used Greenwich as my location in Stellarium, faced north on the horizon, and then centred the image on 52 degrees, which gave me Polaris dead in the centre. Can try the same thing for Cambridge as the location, but suspect the result will be close to identical (could be wrong, but they really aren't _that_ far away from each other in astronomical terms).

I'm just having a hard time reading on the phone. A little left of Beta Lac shoud be about the spot. It doesn't fit close enough to the RR line to be significant I think.