Hardware & Technical The Graphics Cards discussion thread
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So, somebody voted, "Why are you asking this?"
Simples! There are many gamers on this forum who believe that unless you are using a Cray XMP then you shouldn't be allowed out into the community.
Have we got ourselves into a situation where those with the latest bleeding edge tech out-vote those that don't care? Does it really matter what rig you have or should you just resign yourself to the wayside and ring a bell whilst chanting "Alms for the poor!"
Yes, I possibly am being sarcastict. But, the more debate we have, the better the game we will get.
Simples! There are many gamers on this forum who believe that unless you are using a Cray XMP then you shouldn't be allowed out into the community.
Have we got ourselves into a situation where those with the latest bleeding edge tech out-vote those that don't care? Does it really matter what rig you have or should you just resign yourself to the wayside and ring a bell whilst chanting "Alms for the poor!"
Yes, I possibly am being sarcastict. But, the more debate we have, the better the game we will get.
I'll stick with my standard view:
Target high-end, provide scaling to accommodate low-end.
I can't wait for someone to tell me that that's wrong and somehow bizarrely means their game won't look as pretty or won't work on their computer, as that seems to be the norm.
Target high-end, provide scaling to accommodate low-end.
I can't wait for someone to tell me that that's wrong and somehow bizarrely means their game won't look as pretty or won't work on their computer, as that seems to be the norm.
OMG its always your way!!! :{p MY GARD... Why??
The correct way is distinctly average graphics for all..
Actually I agree with DigitalDuck, even though I only have a 32bit rig and low-end (approx 512Mb with help from the system for extra RAM) GFX card. Maximum OpenGL version is 3.3 on my system, which is way more than enough for anyone.
Not at all. There are a number of downsides to doing it like that, the one that's been brought up in the other thread is probably the main one and that's cost. Downscaling requires time and resources, and it's debatable whether it's worth it or not.
But what it doesn't do is make it look ugly for everyone or stop anyone from running the game, which is something I've had to defend against a double-digit number of times, and that's madness.
Compare it to languages: "English-only" would make it accessible to all those who speak English. "Chinese-only" would make it accessible to all those who speak Chinese. "English/Chinese option" would make it accessible to both, but would cost more.
Most of my posts are responding to people who would be saying, "English/Chinese option makes it inaccessible to English speakers" which is clearly ludicrous.
On the other hand, "English/Chinese option costs more to implement", "Those in English may not be able to play with those in Chinese, or possibly may not want to (because of the language barrier)", or many other criticisms are perfectly valid, and when their equivalents have been brought up I've tried to justify my opinion, making it clear that it is just my opinion in these cases.
So yeah, that's my defence. Sorry for kinda derailing the thread, although I know that this was what tricky was targeting/parodying anyway.
(It's not like this is something that will influence Frontier in any way anyway - the decision on what to do sits entirely on the business side of things in this case. Kinda pointless arguing about it, but if you can't argue about something that's completely pointless on the internet then blah.)
Quack.
This is a flawed poll. I saw the topic:
I replied yes as I have a high end graphic pc. So I thought he was asking what type of graphic card are you currently running.
The question he meant to ask is:
Should the game only cater to High end graphic rigs?
Then the answer is no.
Wording is everything, and I answered before reading any posts so as not to be influenced and answered the question asked.
Honestly this is a 2014 game, and if you had what was a low end pc built 5 years ago with on board intel graphics. I think the best you can hope for is maybe 800x600 graphics (with luck you may get up to 1024x768) with no aa or any eye candy at all.
In any event, it may play it, but don't look for performance, eye candy or turning on any aa at all. Depending on the CPU you may get to play, but if a lot of ships in the area expect it to bog way down as it will be hard pressed to keep up.
I want people to play the game, the more the better, but lets not try to lure people in with a low end Pentium from 5 or more years ago with 1 gig of ram and expect to play the game on anything but the bare minimum settings (if it will even run with just 1 gig of ram).
Frontier will publish the minimum, suggested, and optimal specifications as the game gets nearer to release as all games do. I think the sooner they do so the better so everyone knows what they will need, and if any upgrade may be required to meet the minimum suggested levels. In my book that is the best thing Frontier can do, a minimum required specification list for a pc to run the game. It is the most fair way for people wanting to play the game to know if they can, or if they will need an upgrade and give them plenty of time to decide if they want to or not.
Calebe
I replied yes as I have a high end graphic pc. So I thought he was asking what type of graphic card are you currently running.
The question he meant to ask is:
Should the game only cater to High end graphic rigs?
Then the answer is no.
Wording is everything, and I answered before reading any posts so as not to be influenced and answered the question asked.
Honestly this is a 2014 game, and if you had what was a low end pc built 5 years ago with on board intel graphics. I think the best you can hope for is maybe 800x600 graphics (with luck you may get up to 1024x768) with no aa or any eye candy at all.
In any event, it may play it, but don't look for performance, eye candy or turning on any aa at all. Depending on the CPU you may get to play, but if a lot of ships in the area expect it to bog way down as it will be hard pressed to keep up.
I want people to play the game, the more the better, but lets not try to lure people in with a low end Pentium from 5 or more years ago with 1 gig of ram and expect to play the game on anything but the bare minimum settings (if it will even run with just 1 gig of ram).
Frontier will publish the minimum, suggested, and optimal specifications as the game gets nearer to release as all games do. I think the sooner they do so the better so everyone knows what they will need, and if any upgrade may be required to meet the minimum suggested levels. In my book that is the best thing Frontier can do, a minimum required specification list for a pc to run the game. It is the most fair way for people wanting to play the game to know if they can, or if they will need an upgrade and give them plenty of time to decide if they want to or not.
Calebe
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I think it should be targeted between high and Low end Graphics. So it Affects more people. Let the people on high end have fun and let the low end computer be able to play it.
Hate to say it tricky I think your topic might cause more (epeen wars) then the other tread.
Also More Hardware tread are proving my point. We need a hardware forum. So it can talk about Graphics card, PC, 32 bit 64 bit and so on.
. Let the people on high end have fun and let the low end computer be able to play it.Hate to say it tricky I think your topic might cause more (epeen wars) then the other tread.
Also More Hardware tread are proving my point. We need a hardware forum. So it can talk about Graphics card, PC, 32 bit 64 bit and so on.
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Philip Coutts
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We already know that this will be aimed at high-ish end cards but scalable to ensure that everyone can play. That's been stated in numerous places by the development team.
I'm hardly on the bleeding edge with my hardware, but it's respectable nonetheless. I'd like it to be taken advantage of...
Just don't go the GTA4 route of suboptimal use of GFX card resources (the VRAM usage was a joke in that game). I'm sure texture allocation and mesh asset transfers can be far more efficient than R* did it.
Just don't go the GTA4 route of suboptimal use of GFX card resources (the VRAM usage was a joke in that game). I'm sure texture allocation and mesh asset transfers can be far more efficient than R* did it.
The game is not a game for millionaire, especially in these times of crisis. It must be scalable from bottom to top the ladder. The bottom of the ladder being at least one X2 processor and graphics card HD.
As has been mentioned above - there is no evidence so far that they won't cater to as wide an audience as possible.
I will be getting a new "rig" (I believe that is the terminology du jour) and will be getting something decent but not bank account bustingly outrageously expensive.
I'm a sucker for new toys and so forth but have to keep this in proportion.
Last December PC gaming wasn't even on my radar - then Elite popped out of thin air and now I've got the bug again...
I will be getting a new "rig" (I believe that is the terminology du jour) and will be getting something decent but not bank account bustingly outrageously expensive.
I'm a sucker for new toys and so forth but have to keep this in proportion.
Last December PC gaming wasn't even on my radar - then Elite popped out of thin air and now I've got the bug again...
Philip Coutts
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This will be my first foray into PC gaming in a long while as well (unless you count the odd spin in Oolite!). Like Frank I've all but lost interest in the the new xbox one as I just don't want an all controlling thing stuck in my living room. I was brought back in by ED but ended up backing a number of other kickstarters. So Santa will be bringing me a new PC for Christmas this year, just in time for Beta!
Space games have never been too hungry in the GFX department, as I mentioned before your not drawing castles, trees and blades of grass or lots of peoples chars on screen with different types of armour, waving their arms around with swords axes or casting spells.
The machines advertised as gaming machines are always way overpriced. If i was going to build a pc using Ebuyer or Amazon to get the components I would estimate a build cost of around £400 not including monitor, with maybe a little more if you wanted a solid state drive.
When my mates and I hosted Lan parties in years gone by you always found what we called the GFX card snobs who would rant on about what they had spent.
As a rule of thumb if you set a top limit of £100 on a card when your building a pc you will find you still end up with a good system no matter what the GFX card snobs may have you believe.
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The machines advertised as gaming machines are always way overpriced. If i was going to build a pc using Ebuyer or Amazon to get the components I would estimate a build cost of around £400 not including monitor, with maybe a little more if you wanted a solid state drive.
When my mates and I hosted Lan parties in years gone by you always found what we called the GFX card snobs who would rant on about what they had spent.
As a rule of thumb if you set a top limit of £100 on a card when your building a pc you will find you still end up with a good system no matter what the GFX card snobs may have you believe.
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Nothing to do with snobbery .. you get what you pay for.
4K TV for me come 2014 ... might need something a little beefier than a £100 card though
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Remember they are talking about planetary landings in a future expansion, and that will be land, lakes, trees, mountains, cities, re-entry heat shields blazing etc.... so the graphic requirements will change.
As for a video card that should be the one item you never want to skimp on. Buy the best you can afford.
Calebe
As for a video card that should be the one item you never want to skimp on. Buy the best you can afford.
Calebe