The iconic European DLC

Of all the potential pig species, does anyone really want a Wild Boar? And as much as I'd love to see a Red Fox, it's not really specific to Europe... in fact, their distribution ranges across most of North America, throughout Europe and Asia, and even into Africa... unless you go with one of the 45 different subspecies...

At this moment in time, I'd say an ideal European Pack would be, for me:
Alpine Ibex (Capra Ibex)
European Badger (Meles meles)
Red Deer (Cervus elaphus)
Iberian Lynx (Lynx pardinus)

Tbh I would prefer arctic or fennec fox, but it seems we wont be getting those for a while, so I would take red fox in European DLC at this point. It might not be only found in Europe, but it is a very common animal in Europe, and a few of animals you can immidiately think of when talking about European animals. Nothing stops Frontier to also give it NA and Asia tag even if it is introduced in EU dlc.
 
It might not be only found in Europe, but it is a very common animal in Europe, and a few of animals you can immidiately think of when talking about European animals.
The same can be said about it here in North America...

Nothing stops Frontier to also give it NA and Asia tag even if it is introduced in EU dlc.
I am aware of that... but this is suppose to be a European Pack... as in "animals largely specific to Europe" pack... and since all four European animals currently in the game are also commonly found elsewhere, I'd personally like to see animals that are specific to Europe as oppose to ones found across half the planet...

I would absolutely love it to see them in the Game 🐗
Okay, so, yeah... obviously there must be some people who would want them... that said, Wild Boar also fall into the "common outside of Europe" group of animals which, again, I'd prefer European specific animals in our European animal DLC.
 
The same can be said about it here in North America...

Yes it can, but if we want red foxes, they have to be added in some pack. If there was an American pack and it was about to add foxes, you would probably say the same: But NA has alot of more animals that would be more fitting!

It is the thing with animals distributed all around the world...You have to fit them into some place if we only have dlcs with continent theming.
 
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But again, unless I make a Portuguese, Spanish or at a push, French zoo (a zoo in France is due to receive them but it was delayed by the pandemic) it just isn't realistic to have them. Whilst the Eurasian lynx is in the top 100 most common species in Europe. So fine if you're happy to have a random selection of cool looking animals - and judging by your reaction to the inclusion of the cassowary I'd say you aren't - but otherwise the Iberian lynx is just too niche.
My issue with the cassowary is that I think it would've fit better in a Southeast Asian dlc, instead of Australian. I see what you're saying, I think it just comes down to I believe that the Iberian lynx would be better while you disagree. I'm not trying to change your opinion and I don't think you're trying to change mine. Heck who knows, maybe Frontier won't give us either of the lol. Hard to tell at this point
 
Yes it can, but if we want red foxes, they have to be added in some pack. If there was an American pack and it was about to add foxes, you would probably say the same: But NA has alot of more animals that would be more fitting!

It is the thing with animals distributed all around the world...You have to fit them into some place if we only have dlcs with continent theming.
In that case perhaps animals that are spread over multiple continents should not be added in specific continent packs, and we should get only animals that live in that given continent. I don't think that's such a crazy argument to make. Animals that are found on multiple continents could be included in "Worldwide" packs or taxonomy packs like "Felidae" or "Canidae" etc.

I don't think (at least I seriously hope) that Frontier won't keep doing these 4 animals only continent centered packs, after 2020. Hopefully 2021 and onward we get more animals, les build pieces, and different themes.
 
In that case perhaps animals that are spread over multiple continents should not be added in specific continent packs, and we should get only animals that live in that given continent. I don't think that's such a crazy argument to make. Animals that are found on multiple continents could be included in "Worldwide" packs or taxonomy packs like "Felidae" or "Canidae" etc.

I don't think (at least I seriously hope) that Frontier won't keep doing these 4 animals only continent centered packs, after 2020. Hopefully 2021 and onward we get more animals, les build pieces, and different themes.

Well of course, that could be the case, but I am just saying it with current DLCs in mind. There is no evidence that Frontier would make other themes as of now, so I am taking that into consideration. Should Frontier make different themes for DLCs, then I would agree with you, but so far, that is not the case.

I also think that themes like "small carnivores", "endangered species" or "desert animals" would sell better than "cats" or "dogs" or "bears",..etc.. I am sure it would make alot of people happy (and it alsmost feels like lots of people on these forums would be happy with the game containing just cats, lol), but I think DLC with diverse animal types are more marketable than just look here is DLC with cats - animals from such pack would be mostly having similar if not the same animations. I think it would be wiser to distribute for example the cats species into several packs - eg. Lynx - boreal themed dlc, puma - NA dlc etc rather than have them all in one pack.

Just my two cents though. :)
 
In that case perhaps animals that are spread over multiple continents should not be added in specific continent packs, and we should get only animals that live in that given continent. I don't think that's such a crazy argument to make. Animals that are found on multiple continents could be included in "Worldwide" packs or taxonomy packs like "Felidae" or "Canidae" etc.

I don't think (at least I seriously hope) that Frontier won't keep doing these 4 animals only continent centered packs, after 2020. Hopefully 2021 and onward we get more animals, les build pieces, and different themes.
I think if Frontier is going with continent packs for the next ones, the main focus should animals that most people relate to that continent.
For example: The crested porcupine is considered an African species, there are present in Italy as well. Would I love seeing the porcupine in PZ ,Yes.
But I highly prefer it in an African DLC.
I think they should adress every continent in DLC, after that I'm fine with a lot of choices - as long as it has variation/diversity in species.
I think the building pieces are highly popular among players, so don't expect much change in that one - mainly the reason for many to keep playing the game.

I also think that themes like "small carnivores", "endangered species" or "desert animals" would sell better than "cats" or "dogs" or "bears",..etc.. I am sure it would make alot of people happy (and it alsmost feels like lots of people on these forums would be happy with the game containing just cats, lol), but I think DLC with diverse animal types are more marketable than just look here is DLC with cats - animals from such pack would be mostly having similar if not the same animations. I think it would be wiser to distribute for example the cats species into several packs - eg. Lynx - boreal themed dlc, puma - NA dlc etc rather than have them all in one pack.
Personally would buy a cats DLC pack with a discount. Same goes with a lot of similar ideas (Canines/bovines/etc.)
But carnivores/herbivores would work.
 
Of all the potential pig species, does anyone really want a Wild Boar? And as much as I'd love to see a Red Fox, it's not really specific to Europe... in fact, their distribution ranges across most of North America, throughout Europe and Asia, and even into Africa... unless you go with one of the 45 different subspecies...

At this moment in time, I'd say an ideal European Pack would be, for me:
Alpine Ibex (Capra Ibex)
European Badger (Meles meles)
Red Deer (Cervus elaphus)
Iberian Lynx (Lynx pardinus)

I would. swap out the Red Deer for me and give me that Boar and I'm good with this pack (also either Lynx is fine with me, we do need a small cat rig though.) I don't dislike the Red Deer just like I don't dislike the White Tailed Deer over here in NA, but I'm not aching for them to be in the zoos, they really like they're too common yet not iconic of an animal to put in a zoo, maybe not in the real world where you have hundreds of zoos with hundreds and thousands of species over all, but in the game, focusing on animals that are so common when we are maybe going to have around 150 animals total (at a guess), seems a bit of a wasted spot, IMO. Just IMO. And I do realize we have the deer statue.
 
I would. swap out the Red Deer for me and give me that Boar and I'm good with this pack (also either Lynx is fine with me, we do need a small cat rig though.) I don't dislike the Red Deer just like I don't dislike the White Tailed Deer over here in NA, but I'm not aching for them to be in the zoos, they really like they're too common yet not iconic of an animal to put in a zoo, maybe not in the real world where you have hundreds of zoos with hundreds and thousands of species over all, but in the game, focusing on animals that are so common when we are maybe going to have around 150 animals total (at a guess), seems a bit of a wasted spot, IMO. Just IMO. And I do realize we have the deer statue.
I'm not super interested in the Red Deer either... I like it more than the Boar though. Plus it's specific to Europe, unlike the Boar. I wouldn't mind if something else got the spot, but right now I'm not sure what to put there...
 
Does it? That's not what Wikipedia said...

“The red deer inhabits most of Europe, the Caucasus Mountains region, Asia Minor, Iran, parts of western Asia, and central Asia. It also inhabits the Atlas Mountains region between Morocco and Tunisia in northwestern Africa, being the only species of deer to inhabit Africa“
 
“The red deer inhabits most of Europe, the Caucasus Mountains region, Asia Minor, Iran, parts of western Asia, and central Asia. It also inhabits the Atlas Mountains region between Morocco and Tunisia in northwestern Africa, being the only species of deer to inhabit Africa“
Yeah, I didn't read that part... I was looking more at the map they have pictured, which suggests the Red Deer does exist outside of Europe, but that presence represents a smaller fraction of the population. In any case, I already said I'd sacrifice the Red Deer for something else, so... "shrugs"...
 
I think I would rather have a Moose than a Red deer. The Moose is another strange one because it can fit equally well in a North American pack or a European pack. We in the U.S often associate it with the Rocky Mountains or Canada, but it is also the national animal of Norway!
 
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I think I would rather have a Moose than a Red deer. The Moose is another strange one because it can fit equally well in a North American pack or a European pack. We in the U.S often associate it with the Rocky Mountains or Canada, but it is also the national animal of Norway!

I usually associate the moose with North America and the reindeer with Europe even though both animals live in both continents. When I think of Norway or Scandinavia in general, the first animal that comes to my mind is the reindeer, not the moose.

I think we need both moose and deer, so I prefer to have the red deer in the European pack and the moose in the North America pack. Otherwise we have the risk that the European pack only has animals from cold northern countries and very little representation for the warm southern countries. That wouldn't be the case for a NA pack if they add the alligator and the moose.
 
You made the point better than I did. Obviously "clone" isn't exactly accurate but it's probably the best way to describing it. We definitely do not need any more paid dlc packs that have "clones" in them. If the next paid dlc is indeed Europe, that means no Wisent, brown bears or wolves! I think the community is sick of them on the whole. Let's take a look at each dlc so far, and what animals the community calls clones:

Arctic Pack
  1. Polar bear: I don't think it's fair to call this a "clone" and be mad Frontier included it. It was simply too iconic and needed to be in the game, despite it being the fifth bear in the game. If anything though, it emphasizes the point that the Himalayan bear never should have been added, and something else should have.
  2. Arctic wolf: Absolutely fair to criticize. As far as the in-game creature is concerned, they barely changed the model for the Timber wolf to use for this. Plus a new skin of course. Everyone and their mother wanted the Arctic fox, they clearly included this because it required less work, so they could work on other things. Would've paid another $1 for a fox, minus the wolf, and the rest of the same content tbh.
Overall, the Arctic pack is probably the best imo. It added a lot of great pieces, especially for taiga and tundra zoos (plus the tundra biome as a zoo option). Animal choice for the most part were enjoyable, even if the Dall sheep over Musk ox was a little odd. Great in-game music as well.
South America Pack
  1. Jaguar: Again, I don't think it's fair to criticize this pick. They left it out of the main game to, like the Polar bear and Red kangaroo, to be the main ticket items in order to sell their respective dlc. I feel like any South American dlc would've sold well regardless, but I digress. I will say however that the baby jaguars look horrendous and cartoony, and I really wish they would fix them.
  2. Llama: Terrible pick. Just awful. I'm sorry and I know people like the actual animal, but they added a domesticated animal in a South American pack with only four slots. Not even the wild ancestor, which still exists! How you justify this over the capybara, or howler monkey, or a thousand other things I will never understand. Essentially was just a white camel before we got the color variation update.
The South America pack is probably the worst for me. I'm happy to have the jaguars (expect for those ugly babies) and the Giant anteaters look great (though I wish the babies rode on their moms like they should). It's definitely frustrating that Frontier chose a Capuchin species that mostly lives in Central America over South America. I still hate the Llamas being added.

Australia Pack
  1. Cassowary: Let's be honest, we all knew it was this or the Emu. I made my peace with that and just accepted it, and fair enough, we needed more birds even if it functions the same as the ostrich. The choice of it being a Cassowary though....it's a stretch. I mean they look amazing, but choosing them over the emu which is the national animal of Australia? Tough sell there. The Cassowary could've fit more easily into a Southeast Asian pack imo.
  2. Dingo: I think it's totally fair to criticize this over the Tasmanian devil. It's not just another canine, but it's another Canis lupus! That's why it was added, same as the Arctic wolf. You can defend this decision if you want, but that's what it is. No excuse to exclude the most iconic predator in Australia, the Tasmanian devil, in favor of the dingo.
The Australian pack was good, and I enjoyed the building pieces more than I thought I would. The foliage was exceptional as well. The game is much, much better with kangaroos. And yeah the dingos are cute, but big whoop. I don't care. Devils should've been in instead.


So in a way, there have been two "clones" in each pack. Some are a total non-issue (unless you have an issue with them not being in the base game) and some are pretty problematic. I would much rather we just get four totally unique animals for a change!

I totally agree with the Llama argument. It should have always been Guanaco or Vicunia.
 
I totally agree with the Llama argument. It should have always been Guanaco or Vicunia.

I don't even think it should have been one of them. It could have been a capybara, or a southern pudu, or a spectacled bear, or a spider monkey, or a so on and so forth... 😅

I wouldn't mind the llama so much if it came with some kind of special feature, such as some kind of petting zoo interaction (and yes, they are completely safe in petting zoos, literally no more dangerous than any other domestic hoofstock). Or if we knew we were getting other petting zoo animals down the line somewhere. It rubs me the wrong way having a single domestic farm animal in the game (the Bactrian camel is a rather clear exception I would say).
 
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