The No Man's Sky Thread

I do find it funny that this thread is still salt mining about the NMS launch fiasco. Chill a bit, eh?
People are sometimes incredibly self-righteous about their indignation. You'd think Sean had kidnapped their child or something. He made a mistake, and has since made it right. Let it go!

And if for some stupid reason you can't forgive him, at least forget him and move on. Why keep rehashing the past here?
 
People are sometimes incredibly self-righteous about their indignation. You'd think Sean had kidnapped their child or something. He made a mistake, and has since made it right. Let it go!

And if for some stupid reason you can't forgive him, at least forget him and move on. Why keep rehashing the past here?
There's certainly a bit of that. I would call it being principled rather than resorting to some hyperbolic browbeating. People choosing to whitewash the past with their own version of events really does not help anyone though, especially in an industry which routinely screws over its customers and the only defense is to remind people of previous behaviours.

If we all chose to forget and move on then companies like EA, Activision and the like whould have a whale of a time, "Wahey! We got you good! But forget and move on like a good little consumer and we'll see you next year!"

Edit: This is not aimed at you at all D&J, it's just a general observation I see in lots of places.
People, in this thread for example, have been saying move on, forgive and forget etc but they are quite happy to drag up mistakes of other game's past when defending their game which always strikes me as rather hypocritical :)
 
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People are sometimes incredibly self-righteous about their indignation. You'd think Sean had kidnapped their child or something. He made a mistake, and has since made it right. Let it go!

And if for some stupid reason you can't forgive him, at least forget him and move on. Why keep rehashing the past here?
It is always the same minority. Forgive them.;)
 
There's certainly a bit of that. I would call it being principled rather than resorting to some hyperbolic browbeating. People choosing to whitewash the past with their own version of events really does not help anyone though, especially in an industry which routinely screws over its customers and the only defense is to remind people of previous behaviours.

If we all chose to forget and move on then companies like EA, Activision and the like whould have a whale of a time, "Wahey! We got you good! But forget and move on like a good little consumer and we'll see you next year!"
I bought NMS early on, though it was long enough after the release date that I was able to get a used copy for a really good price. I actually enjoyed it for what it was, though I'm glad I didn't pay the full AAA price for it. Then again, I never pay the full AAA price for any game (still waiting for RDR2 to go on sale).

Since then, it so much more has been added to it, all for free. I definitely have gotten my money's worth and then some, and this was before the VR announcement! So I just don't understand all the hate, and there has been literal death threat level hate aimed at Sean and co. It gives gamers a bad rep, just like Gamergate. There are bigger windmills to tilt at, like the Volkswagen emissions scandal or Boeing jets falling out of the sky.

Edit: This is not aimed at you at all D&J, it's just a general observation I see in lots of places.
People, in this thread for example, have been saying move on, forgive and forget etc but they are quite happy to drag up mistakes of other game's past when defending their game which always strikes me as rather hypocritical :)
No offense taken and none meant in return :) After all, I'm very vocal about "an industry which routinely screws over its customers", Frontier being private enemy #1 in this regard. Now if Frontier releases a huge patch that fixes all the bugs and finishes the "half-baked" features they started, I'd let dead dogs lie and get back to enjoying the game again.
 
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Indeed.

Hello Games went from a small time developer; to being the biggest "expected game of the year" with over a million copies sold before release (IIRC and excluding refunds). Sean was simply too inexperienced, and too shy to handle that kind of pressure; he made promises he couldn't keep; either because Sony pushed for a release date, or because he underestimated the amount of work it involved given the number of players they were expecting; whatever the reason, and in the words of his lordship, Lord Illidan; Sean was simply "..NOT PREPARED."

I do not believe there was anything nefarious in what he said and did. A lot of people just like to see the worst in others.
Agree. He's the example of the nerd that suddenly was put in charge of public relations. He was talking about all the cool things he wanted to add into the game, without realizing that every comma and punctuation will come under scrutiny by the masses.
 
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If the premise is correct, the people who felt suitably upset were refunded, so it's a bit of a moot point. Doubly so as the furore will have done damage to any after sales.

As for VR, I'm hopeful that its upcoming implementation allows headtracking as well. HG needs to be applauded for keeping up a solid series of meaningful updates, in a manner that puts many other games companies to shame.
It's interesting to see how a few misspoken words by Sean Murray still linger around and make some people agitated, while Chris Roberts perpetual lying is met with "whatever".

The reaction from the masses probably will be to put in yet another 10 million next year when RSI (or whichever shell company that owns it now) fails to deliver SQ42.
 
Can't agree there; the difference between ED and SC; is that ED release MVP and has slowly grown over the years; SC will be released with the majority of it's features already in the game. Guaranteed, if ED took the same approach as SC, ED would still be in development (and probably in alpha too).

SC is going to take a long time. Smaller games have been in dev for 5-6 years; SC is now about the same; can't expect much else IMHO. It's a big project.

Not sure what lies Chris said. I only seem to recall him saying stuff would be ready when it had no chance of being ready; and he's seemingly learnt his lesson from that. At least, I haven't read about him doing it again; and it's now a bit of a self-deprecating joke he delivers from time to time.

It's interesting to see how a few misspoken words by Sean Murray still linger around and make some people agitated, while Chris Roberts perpetual lying is met with "whatever".

The reaction from the masses probably will be to put in yet another 10 million next year when RSI (or whichever shell company that owns it now) fails to deliver SQ42.
 
Can't agree there; the difference between ED and SC; is that ED release MVP and has slowly grown over the years; SC will be released with the majority of it's features already in the game. Guaranteed, if ED took the same approach as SC, ED would still be in development (and probably in alpha too).

SC is going to take a long time. Smaller games have been in dev for 5-6 years; SC is now about the same; can't expect much else IMHO. It's a big project.

Not sure what lies Chris said. I only seem to recall him saying stuff would be ready when it had no chance of being ready; and he's seemingly learnt his lesson from that. At least, I haven't read about him doing it again; and it's now a bit of a self-deprecating joke he delivers from time to time.
SQ42 = Squadron 42. Not Star Citizen.
 
Getting more and more excited to try it out. Seems like a lot is done already. Some things that I've been waiting for to happen besides VR, 1) walking NPCs, 2) first person driving of vehicles. And this is done by 6 developers...
 
Getting more and more excited to try it out. Seems like a lot is done already. Some things that I've been waiting for to happen besides VR, 1) walking NPCs, 2) first person driving of vehicles. And this is done by 6 developers...
from the video on youtube for NMS Vr, it looks like they have made a virtual hotas, that you can grab, to control your ships.
 
from the video on youtube for NMS Vr, it looks like they have made a virtual hotas, that you can grab, to control your ships.
Yup. One of the articles mentioned this too. It's good and bad though with that, one is that you only use the touch/wands at all times, but then, flying for longer time, you might get tired. Nothing to rest on. We'll see.
 
Having played VTOL VR, the virtual HOTAS was surprisingly responsive - I just rested the bases of my Touch controllers on my thighs, it felt completely natural.

I like the sound of the left-wrist inventory system, should be less of a faff than the current one. Also, grabbing plants out of the ground, and grabbing aliens (who now walk around) to talk to them :)

“You, alien-fella, c’mere”
 
I could not see the video, but it seems to me that it shows the NPC's walking.

 
I could not see the video, but it seems to me that it shows the NPC's walking.

I watched part of the video. Mostly humans walking in some demo/expo, but.... yeah... there's some walking Vy'keens in one part in a station. Woot! Woot!

Most likely, I'll finish DW2 in Elite, then back to NMS for a while to continue building my castle. Have it ready for the drop.

I'm sorry to say, love Elite, but Frontier needs to seriously pick up the pace.
 
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That's some really personal claims some people are making about Sean Murray. Do you guys know him or something?

Objectively, he lied for the purposes of creating excitement for the game before launch to increase sales. As a first world practice, this is commonly seen as poor form, even though you might not. You have you accept the some people will choose to hold to one standard, and that isn't white knighting.

Also, the follow through has been completely amazing.

Hello Games and Sean Murray have a reputation that is that is a combination of both of the above, nothing more or less. The game is pretty good. Its a little bit over the top hipster like so is best done in small doses, but apart from that can be pretty good. And the atonement for lieing has definitely made up for the lies. Just don't preorder would be the best lesson.
 
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