Game Discussions The No Man's Sky Thread

[Stigbob]

It can be pretty nuanced in the mechanics though. If you slow down the throttle and move around you can get (i guess the expected) detail from using the kbm. Could be worse. The point is you can fly with detail (slow fast and inbetween), which is the main thing for me i guess.

Yeah, slow down to turn faster for fighting speed up to evade behind freighters and whatnot. Its overall feel is very like freelancer from me which just feels old and outdated.

I do enjoy NMS especially if I'm pushed for time. But there's nothing about it that's better than what I have elsewhere.

Space-feet any sci-fi shooter, ED for spaceflight, base-building Fallout 4 (bugs and all), underwater subnautica.

The sum of the parts works, as long as you don't examine the parts in detail.

 

[PiLhEaD]

... base-building Fallout 4 (bugs and all), underwater subnautica...

Coincidentally I noticed that I haven't touched FC4 in about 4 years. It seems impossible. I'd love a sandbox mode where you build a base and are routinely attacked by differing groups. That'd be a hoot (for me at least). If this sounds like fun take a look at Kingdoms and Castles, it scratches my city building/castle/tower defence itch, and is being routinely updated.

Back to NMS.... I have been wanting for auto sentries - it's just there aren't actual foes per se.

 

[Stigbob]

Coincidentally I noticed that I haven't touched FC4 in about 4 years. It seems impossible. I'd love a sandbox mode where you build a base and are routinely attacked by differing groups. That'd be a hoot (for me at least). If this sounds like fun take a look at Kingdoms and Castles, it scratches my city building/castle/tower defence itch, and is being routinely updated.

Back to NMS.... I have been wanting for auto sentries - it's just there aren't actual foes per se.

Except scuttly carnivore crabs with a variety of heads.

 

[Han Zulu]

I just got mine today... the day when it hits that no mans sky is elite dangerous...

I agree... almost.

What's missing in NMS is not just the space ship handling but that the star system doesn't feel real, at all, but that's all down to that NMS is a game, not a simulation. In Elite I can feel like I'm in a star system with things in their places or orbits. In NMS things in space are just place holders. It's okay though. It's done for easy access and fun to play.

The thing I really wish they could add to NMS though is more station, star bases etc. Why only have one single star base in each populated system? Why not add some more places to land out there in the void. And more variation on them all.

 

[Han Zulu]

EDIT: There's another tipping point they created in a recent patch.. they changed the ship radar to function exactly like elites now, i think that makes it feel quite at home there.

And bobbleheads! Don't forget the bobbleheads!

 

[Han Zulu]

NMS is a better game right now, and has been for a while. Sorry, but it's true.

Maybe / hopefully 'New era' will change this, but because FD are giving us zero hints on what that might even be, it's impossible to stay engaged with it.

So, we'll see.

I'm sure they'll do something that will impress and many of us will be playing "New Era" for a while.But the real danger, I think, is that there's many other games being built right now with the same target audience. It's a "space game" race going on. Who will come out the champion?

 

[Dutchman141]

I'm sure they'll do something that will impress and many of us will be playing "New Era" for a while.But the real danger, I think, is that there's many other games being built right now with the same target audience. It's a "space game" race going on. Who will come out the champion?

This new era realy needs to be something spectacular i order to draw me back in.
NMS's latest updates realy got me back into playing, there's so much more to do regarding your personal build-up.
Right now I'm turning my Freighter into a mobile base with most equipment installed like refiners and such.
I just got a 34/8 class A freighter after my initial 24/4 C class.

Hunting new Living Ships is fun too when combining it with exploration in general.

NMS has become a great game to play, different then ED in many ways but a lot more engaging to me personally.
I don't care about the lacking flight model compared to ED's, it's the overall fun that matters, things to do, and NMS beats ED in so many ways right now.

 

[Han Zulu]

This new era realy needs to be something spectacular i order to draw me back in.
NMS's latest updates realy got me back into playing, there's so much more to do regarding your personal build-up.
Right now I'm turning my Freighter into a mobile base with most equipment installed like refiners and such.
I just got a 34/8 class A freighter after my initial 24/4 C class.

I think the allure is that there are many different play styles supported in NMS. Some game plays could be improved probably, but all-in-all, you can be a creative builder, explorer, money-maker, etc, and get that fulfilled. Of course the "space pilot" feel is missing, so that one doesn't attract at all, but many other areas are covered. I change my play style now and then, to change it up.

Hunting new Living Ships is fun too when combining it with exploration in general.

What surprised me is that you only do that quest one time. After you've done it, it's very quick to get a new living ship (as long as you have the quicksilver to buy the egg).

NMS has become a great game to play, different then ED in many ways but a lot more engaging to me personally.
I don't care about the lacking flight model compared to ED's, it's the overall fun that matters, things to do, and NMS beats ED in so many ways right now.

Yup. Personally, I do love the flight model in ED and missing it, but just trucking around isn't enough anymore. It was for a while. Not anymore.

 

[JonesTheFilm]

NMS has always had little nods to Elite, right from launch. The four second countdown into pulse drive, the fact that the station entrances point towards the planet they "orbit", the descriptions of the pirate bounties (harmless, dangerous, etc). HG or at least Sean Murray are obviously fans.

I love NMS. I love the way it clawed its way back up after such a dismal launch and evolved into the very decent game it is today. It can still be improved though and I'm sure it will be. I would love them to implement properly orbiting planetary systems (which was one of Sean's original claims pre-launch) and yes I would like them to improve the flight model of the spaceships - and the vehicle controls while they're at it, but I'm also okay with how it is now seeing as there's so much else to do in NMS.

I love Elite Dangerous too. I'm still playing it regularly. I hop between ED & NMS on almost a daily basis, often I'll play both during an evening. I'm looking forward to seeng what Fleet Carriers and New Era bring.

 

[Dutchman141]

I think the allure is that there are many different play styles supported in NMS. Some game plays could be improved probably, but all-in-all, you can be a creative builder, explorer, money-maker, etc, and get that fulfilled. Of course the "space pilot" feel is missing, so that one doesn't attract at all, but many other areas are covered. I change my play style now and then, to change it up.


What surprised me is that you only do that quest one time. After you've done it, it's very quick to get a new living ship (as long as you have the quicksilver to buy the egg).


Yup. Personally, I do love the flight model in ED and missing it, but just trucking around isn't enough anymore. It was for a while. Not anymore.

I can't agree with you more then I do.
NMS offers a lot of ways to play the game and they're all quite different but evenly easy accessable.
It's very satisfying to see your base building up the way you want it, or your Freighter getting more usefull with installed equipment and frigates you can send out.

I'm glad though that I had to do that Living Ship quest only once, I got 20 eggs from someone in the Nexus, I was making me a cup of coffee and when I came back they were added to my inventory, I didn't even have the chance to thank him, it's more then I need so I'll hand some out to others too.
In many cases people will toss you an egg or two when you hang around in the Nexus for a while.

I like visiting and exploring systems and taking an egg with me enhances this experience since you get offered new Living Ships along the way.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Yeah, slow down to turn faster for fighting speed up to evade behind freighters and whatnot. Its overall feel is very like freelancer from me which just feels old and outdated.

I do enjoy NMS especially if I'm pushed for time. But there's nothing about it that's better than what I have elsewhere.

Space-feet any sci-fi shooter, ED for spaceflight, base-building Fallout 4 (bugs and all), underwater subnautica.

The sum of the parts works, as long as you don't examine the parts in detail.

Question.. does no mans sky kbm flying play differently to elites? If so how is elite better? The only other game i've played kbm flying is x rebirth and its basically the same as no mans sky.

Yeah they are all different and good.

If anything, im also tipping my hat at the fact that hello games are actually executing, when people upset here for not white knighting and praising a dry, corporate, laggard effort in comparison. If something is generous and good, who would i be to deny it? If frontier were even in range my dd posts generally would be wrong, wouldn't they.

 

[Stigbob]

Question.. does no mans sky kbm flying play differently to elites? If so how is elite better? The only other game i've played kbm flying is x rebirth and its basically the same as no mans sky.

Yeah they are all different and good.

If anything, im also tipping my hat at the fact that hello games are actually executing, when people upset here for not white knighting and praising a dry, corporate, laggard effort in comparison. If something is generous and good, who would i be to deny it? If frontier were even in range my dd posts generally would be wrong, wouldn't they.

With ED you have more control over the throttle and you can't just swing the ship around on the mouse as everything turns more slowly. With ED I'm strictly HOTAS, with mouse for fine aiming on long range fixed weps. So the two don't really compare. ED's is far more nuanced with different options.

What Hello games have done is far easier than what FDEV have done as its a lot of much simpler mechanics rolled into one.

If space-feet in ED is as much better than the flight model currently is in comparison to NMS it'll be a game changing thing.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

What Hello games have done is far easier than what FDEV have done as its a lot of much simpler mechanics rolled into one.

But they have done it. Sadly we're in a state where the ed camp is wanting / living off dreams.. so its a valid point.

Also, the definition of elites design is a bunch of simple mechanics rolled into one. Theres just complexity in formulas is all. eg, engineering is just a ui with a change in parameters of your space ship, the complicated stuff is in the logic to determine how much, the raw mechanic is simply +1 to engine etc.

Personally i don't have any evidence from the output of frontier both in elite and all their released games since early horizons to get my hopes up. So i wont. Definitely if we look around at competitors there's some possible directions for space legs that would be amazing and satisfying. Just remember, they thought reskinning cargo missions + a new ship was enough for a headline horizons patch. We have evidence of a constant steam of this, not some greater fantasy. I learnt the better way from you if i remember.

 

[Stigbob]

But they have done it. Sadly we're in a state where the ed camp is wanting / living off dreams.. so its a valid point.

FDEV have also done what they said they'd do, a modern remake of Elite with some extra multiplayer bells and whistles. They also said they would add expansions if it was possible, which it has proven to be. So still on track.

On the subject of not doing what they said they'd do check out the outrage NMS caused thanks to Sean Murrays overenthusiastic pre launch selling of the game. Look at the steam stats for its launch, it was huge. Within a few weeks it fell below ED due to that disconnect.

Also, the definition of elites design is a bunch of simple mechanics rolled into one. Theres just complexity in formulas is all. eg, engineering is just a ui with a change in parameters of your space ship, the complicated stuff is in the logic to determine how much, the raw mechanic is simply +1 to engine etc.

Personally i don't have any evidence from the output of frontier both in elite and all their released games since early horizons to get my hopes up. So i wont. Definitely if we look around at competitors there's some possible directions for space legs that would be amazing and satisfying. Just remember, they thought reskinning cargo missions + a new ship was enough for a headline horizons patch. We have evidence of a constant steam of this, not some greater fantasy. I learnt the better way from you if i remember.

Wait and see what we get in the DLC, if its more space stuff then great I bought the game for space ships. If its feet unless they've badly botched it to 90's console levels it'll wipe the floor with NMS. Except in the realm of being a simplistic easy relaxing game, which isn't what I bought ED for.

Win win.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

On the subject of not doing what they said they'd do check out the outrage NMS caused thanks to Sean Murrays overenthusiastic pre launch selling of the game. Look at the steam stats for its launch, it was huge. Within a few weeks it fell below ED due to that disconnect.

Wait and see what we get in the DLC, if its more space stuff then great I bought the game for space ships. If its feet unless they've badly botched it to 90's console levels it'll wipe the floor with NMS. Except in the realm of being a simplistic easy relaxing game, which isn't what I bought ED for.

I think of that as well, its an interesting situation, because the guy obviously lied through his teeth to generate presales. No doubt there. His wife even works for peter monyleux even so he was probably inspired by the best. But uniquely with no mans sky.. they've made up for it. They have actually atoned for their.. well crime.. i don't think there has been another case where people have been tangibly harmed but then materially made whole in the games industry before. We all have certain measures on whether you would forgive your family, friends, collegues, business associates, coffee shops, for being cheated and then made whole in some way.. what's the compass say for game vendor? Not claiming this is at all right, but i can't find a reason to hold a grudge. Same will apply to frontier if they every come out of the rabbit hole dismissal and diversification they're doing at the moment. if they come out.

Yeah space legs. Frontier don't have a reason to change course just to spite to the leaker, its space legs. Even in that given the current competition there's lots of inspiration to go by. I think i've adjusted my fantasy to be no mans sky, with the piece by piece base building swapped out with jurassic world evolution building stamping. What they build for the human avatar will be just dumb luck. On one side, they've had a human avatar working in cobra since 2013. On the other side frontier cave when the going gets tough so its not safe to guess. Will we be able to get out of srvs? I don't think its safe to guess even.

 

[Stigbob]

I think of that as well, its an interesting situation, because the guy obviously lied through his teeth to generate presales. No doubt there. His wife even works for peter monyleux even so he was probably inspired by the best. But uniquely with no mans sky.. they've made up for it. They have actually atoned for their.. well crime.. i don't think there has been another case where people have been tangibly harmed but then materially made whole in the games industry before. We all have certain measures on whether you would forgive your family, friends, collegues, business associates, coffee shops, for being cheated and then made whole in some way.. what's the compass say for game vendor? Not claiming this is at all right, but i can't find a reason to hold a grudge. Same will apply to frontier if they every come out of the rabbit hole dismissal and diversification they're doing at the moment. if they come out.

I tend to (try to) judge games by what are on release so it didn't bother me change happens, I got NMS a few months ago on sale so I knew exactly what I was getting and didn't expect HOTAS support or a flight model that could compare to ED. Different games scratch different itches.

Its just a pretty extreme example of hype, nowhere near scamtastic SC hype and well above the playing it straight approach FDEV take. Advertising is advertising though so I take it all with a pinch of salt.

Yeah space legs. Frontier don't have a reason to change course just to spite to the leaker, its space legs. Even in that given the current competition there's lots of inspiration to go by. I think i've adjusted my fantasy to be no mans sky, with the piece by piece base building swapped out with jurassic world evolution building stamping. What they build for the human avatar will be just dumb luck. On one side, they've had a human avatar working in cobra since 2013. On the other side frontier cave when the going gets tough so its not safe to guess. Will we be able to get out of srvs? I don't think its safe to guess even.

I'm not convinced by the leak, which missed F1 completely the Mamba internal cockpit art direct from FDEV was a more convincing hint to possible legs though.

DBOBE once said he thought Alien Isolation was a very good and atmospheric game, which bodes well for potential FDEV space-feet. They did also say feet would be so difficult it would be like making a whole separate game though so if we get it feet bonus, if we don't space bonus.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

I tend to (try to) judge games by what are on release so it didn't bother me change happens, I got NMS a few months ago on sale so I knew exactly what I was getting and didn't expect HOTAS support or a flight model that could compare to ED. Different games scratch different itches.

Its just a pretty extreme example of hype, nowhere near scamtastic SC hype and well above the playing it straight approach FDEV take. Advertising is advertising though so I take it all with a pinch of salt.



I'm not convinced by the leak, which missed F1 completely the Mamba internal cockpit art direct from FDEV was a more convincing hint to possible legs though.

DBOBE once said he thought Alien Isolation was a very good and atmospheric game, which bodes well for potential FDEV space-feet. They did also say feet would be so difficult it would be like making a whole separate game though so if we get it feet bonus, if we don't space bonus.

Yeah i picked up mine when it was $13 on sale (never been that cheap since) but i wanted to avoid the "it didn't effect me so its not an issue" argument. That's trademark whiteknight Im pretty sure he lied. There's heaps of stuff on youtube.. clips of heaps of press interviews where it wasn't just him exaggerating a marketing story, he was asked direct questions of "can you do this" and he responded with yes. Same as Chris Roberts basically with probably more going on in the back because they might have planned to do it at some point. I was convinced that it was material misrepresentation for the launch.

Sounds like i should check out alien isolation. I really hope they stay away from the mission board to kick these missions off.

 

[Stigbob]

Yeah i picked up mine when it was $13 on sale (never been that cheap since) but i wanted to avoid the "it didn't effect me so its not an issue" argument. That's trademark whiteknight Im pretty sure he lied. There's heaps of stuff on youtube.. clips of heaps of press interviews where it wasn't just him exaggerating a marketing story, he was asked direct questions of "can you do this" and he responded with yes. Same as Chris Roberts basically with probably more going on in the back because they might have planned to do it at some point. I was convinced that it was material misrepresentation for the launch.

Sounds like i should check out alien isolation. I really hope they stay away from the mission board to kick these missions off.

Alien Isolations a great game, Mrs Stigbobs favourite. She like to tease me when it makes me jump.

 

[Dutchman141]

With ED you have more control over the throttle and you can't just swing the ship around on the mouse as everything turns more slowly. With ED I'm strictly HOTAS, with mouse for fine aiming on long range fixed weps. So the two don't really compare. ED's is far more nuanced with different options.

ED's flight model is ten times better then NMS's and that is one of the main things that makes ED such a great game, together with the visuals and sound.

What Hello games have done is far easier than what FDEV have done as its a lot of much simpler mechanics rolled into one.

I don't care if they got it for free for Christmas and then released it, it's fun to play and there's a lot to do, that's what matters most to me.

If space-feet in ED is as much better than the flight model currently is in comparison to NMS it'll be a game changing thing.

Definitely!!!

 

[PiLhEaD]

For flying I use a wired Xbox controller which seems to fit the 'flight model' well. I've not tried kb+m in fairness, so I can't compare.

Despite both games being set in space I find comparing them hard/futile as they are so very different in focus, style and execution. What is very stark is how routinely HG has added new gameplay to NMS, and for free, for which they deserve kudos.