PvP The PvP Subforum's Purpose

[Ziggy Stardust]

No they don't, they are solo players.

Uhm ... nope. When I'm out in the black, I play private group, when I am bumbling around in the bubble, I play Open, when I am recording video or making screen grabs, I play solo.

Hmmm. If being interdicted by another CMDR counts as PvP ... I'm even a PvPer!

 

[Sole Hunter]

Yo, hold up.

The PvP forum is for everyone, especially PvE bros who want to learn a few things before they jump into PvP. However, I will agree that they are better off just reading, or asking questions sometimes. Keeps things from getting super cluttered with back and forth quote fests... which I am now participating in. GG everybody lol. Oh well, it's not an advice thread or anything, so it's whatever.


Just to be clear: I'm not saying the PvP crowd has absolute knowledge, and everyone's opinion is 100% fact because they PvP, either. Plenty of misinformation out there, especially on other social platforms(Oh, the madness on Facebook), but most of us here tend to know our stuff.

One last thing.

If you see a post that looks like it might only exist to stir the pot, consider overlooking it. Clogging up a thread is not a one sided issue, it takes at least two participants. Remember that.

The PvP side should be as accommodating as possible to anyone who shows some interest in learning the ropes. Hostility or bickering does not win hearts, my dudes.

I disagree to a point, it's nice to see folks who wish to learn PVP, that's fine. You might as well have a different sub-forum for that sole specific purpose then. Call it "help a new player" for all I care.

However, folks who don't know jack nothing about PVP who claim they do and keep bolstering about thing's they know nothing about while purposely trying to tell us folks who's been at the PVP game for years, are at the very best a nuisance and creating an echo chamber for the other nerds that just hate PVP players "because" which was the main point of this thread, what the eck is the purpose of this sub-forum.

I liked the old layout much better. It encouraged more discussions, now people just come here to either troll or spew garbage and with the current atrocious state of PVP in-game, it really doesn't help.

 

[Theodrid]

I coulda swore when this sub got created that some of the same people now saying 'no dirty pve'ers here' were then bemoaning the fact that the salty chats weren't going to happen as frequently due to stuff being 'buried' here, strange.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

creating an echo chamber for the other nerds that just hate PVP players

I have already said, if the consensus turns out to be that you guys want to create an echo chamber for the other nerds that just like PvP, I'll be gone on a Monday ... somewhere around noon.
Please don't be angry. I won't be back real soon.

 

[Sole Hunter]

That's a good description for me, I'm not a team player, although I have friends I've made in the game. I do semi-organised PvP in an FDL with random friendlys when I feel like it (and they agree), I only tend to fight people I can trust (ie friends), My in-game name is different from here, 'Riverside' was taken unfortunately. I don't hide it but I don't make a big deal about giving it out, if anyone wants to know they can put the effort in & read my posts for clues.

I FA-off in combat but I'm not good enough to consistently dock for example, I can used fixed weapons but generally stick to gimballed because it's easier. I use a T-16000FCS controller and I think using kb/m for FA-off with fixed is as weak as menu-logging, it masks the 'true' skill of the pilot (which of course might still be very high). I am self-taught, and believe it's a better way to play the game to work things out for yourself. That way you don't get bored and complain that it's all too easy.

I can also confirm that Globusdiablo is an annoying griefer and someone who has given me good advice and support, and Ziggy is generally as annoying to me as to you but occasionally our opinions align.

I also don't grief if I can avoid it, I'm generally just trying to find solutions to challenging problems, which is one of the reasons why I like this game, and the main reason I post in this forum. Like Ziggy described, I don't give technical advice, but I don't ask for it either.

Also, it doesn't matter, but it is interesting that the 'true PvPer' community is apparently so small that you all know each other. Makes me wonder why FDev would bother to lift a finger at all with such a niche group.

I like griefers, they have a special place in my heart.

I support the play-style if the game has incorporated activities typically considered griefing as part of the gameplay mechanism such as corporate spying, theft, scams, system-camping...etc

People shredding tears like old cheese about it are playing the wrong kind of game.

I'm a bad guy and I will murder the living crap out of you until your wallet is dry because I can.

 

[Sole Hunter]

I coulda swore when this sub got created that some of the same people now saying 'no dirty pve'ers here' were then bemoaning the fact that the salty chats weren't going to happen as frequently due to stuff being 'buried' here, strange.

as if creating a sub-forum labeled "PVP" would stop those dirty pve'ers from coming here.

 

[Theodrid]

as if creating a sub-forum labeled "PVP" would stop those dirty pve'ers from coming here.

I agree Sole, but I definitely remember some angst along those lines from some that have posted in this thread saying they don't want them here now.

 

[Sole Hunter]

I agree Sole, but I definitely remember some angst along those lines from some that have posted in this thread saying they don't want them here now.

We should obviously cater to their needs, serenade them with sleeping songs and give them cotton wool to plug their tears.

I think we should have a forum with over 2 million sub-forum, so everybody is happy and sleeping well tonight. As if PVP was a feature that required special treatment. Might as well have a sub-forum for mining, piracy, bounty hunting and whining while we are it.

 

[The Replicated Man]

We should obviously cater to their needs, serenade them with sleeping songs and give them cotton wool to plug their tears.

I think we should have a forum with over 2 million sub-forum, so everybody is happy and sleeping well tonight. As if PVP was a feature that required special treatment. Might as well have a sub-forum for mining, piracy, bounty hunting and whining while we are it.

Sadly the Latter is what I keep seeing over here

 

[Theodrid]

We should obviously cater to their needs, serenade them with sleeping songs and give them cotton wool to plug their tears.

I think we should have a forum with over 2 million sub-forum, so everybody is happy and sleeping well tonight. As if PVP was a feature that required special treatment. Might as well have a sub-forum for mining, piracy, bounty hunting and whining while we are it.

Maybe, or you know, folk could stop flip flopping from one week to the next and inventing their next faux 'problem'.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Maybe, or you know, folk could stop flip flopping from one week to the next and inventing their next faux 'problem'.

lol please, do you see a PVE sub-forum?

 

[Theodrid]

lol please, do you see a PVE sub-forum?

No, but why would/should I?

I head over to the SWToR forums.....oh look, a PVP sub but not a PVE one.
I head over to the WoW forums, oh look, PVP & PVE LFG sections, no sepcific sub just for PVE but one for BoA/Warmode PVP.
I head to the Rift forums, oh look, no specific PVE sub, one there for PVP & Warfronts though.

Want me to carry on looking or you satisfied that Frontier aren't treating PVP differently on their boards than many others do?

 

[Riverside]

I like griefers, they have a special place in my heart.

I support the play-style if the game has incorporated activities typically considered griefing as part of the gameplay mechanism such as corporate spying, theft, scams, system-camping...etc

People shredding tears like old cheese about it are playing the wrong kind of game.

I'm a bad guy and I will murder the living crap out of you until your wallet is dry because I can.

Sole Hunter, you are hopefully aware that unlike so many posters on this forum, I trust and value your opinion because you are honest about it rather than trying to be all clever with ulterior motives. When I put up proposals like the CLogging thread, or the meaningful PvP thread, I am doing so based on feedback from players like you (True Silver is another one, Arguendo is another, Algomatic & Besieger to a lesser degree).

As you say, Griefing is a part of the game. There are times when I want another to take some pain, I understand that and FDev do too, the game would quickly be overrun by socialites without griefers to give them something to complain about, and I don't want to play in that environment either. Someone needs to play the baddie, someone else needs to step up and play the cops, so that I don't feel I have to, because mostly I'm just happy to do my own thing.

You guys, as a sub-set of the community are clearly struggling to be organised. You (not you personally) are getting angry that the game is not improving in the direction you want, just as every other sub-set is angry that the game is not improving in their favoured direction. I play a different way from you, I'm not all focused on PvP so I see their frustration too. But they are pretty organised and can help themselves, whereas you guys overall need (and regularly demand) help from either mods, devs, the game rules or whatever rather than working together to find solutions.

So here I am, reading all your stuff, asking questions where things aren't clear and then proposing solutions. That some posters don't like the ideas is great, I can refine my idea. I don't expect anyone to give me any attention at all, but if they do I appreciate it.

Find my first and second posts in this thread, read them & you'll see why I'm here. They are only a couple of pages back, before all this ad hominem biowaste derailed the thread.

 

[Prole 217]

Not derailing, Just asking a simple question. I have never even heard of you before. What group do you fly with? I have been actively PVPing for 2 years and have never seen a CMDR Globusdiablo. Do you have a youtube or something we can check?

Reason why I am asking is because if you don't pvp then you don't belong in the PVP subforum. I honestly think if someone doesn't engage in PVP at all and just PVE's, they shouldn't be acting like their opinion of PVP is absolute. Or portray to do so. I don't waltz into the explorer subforum and start giving opinions on FSD jump range and Lightweight Exploration builds because I am not a Explorer! The same should be said about these PVE pilots

This is a public forum, everyone has a right to be here unless FDev decides to lock it behind some mystical wall. Most people have an opinion on things and perhaps they want to get into pvp but have not as of yet.
A lot of the noise being generated is by pvp players who think they are above anybody who doesn't and that puts people on the defensive right away which then becomes an argument instead of a discussion. And yes the blame goes to both sides since it takes 2 to tango..... er argue.
Think of the children people

 

[Sole Hunter]

No, but why would/should I?

I head over to the SWToR forums.....oh look, a PVP sub but not a PVE one.
I head over to the WoW forums, oh look, PVP & PVE LFG sections, no sepcific sub just for PVE but one for BoA/Warmode PVP.
I head to the Rift forums, oh look, no specific PVE sub, one there for PVP & Warfronts though.

Want me to carry on looking or you satisfied that Frontier aren't treating PVP differently on their boards than many others do?

Right, except PVP in swtor is a separate feature like CQC in Elite. PVP is inherently part of the core game mechanics in Elite.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This may be helpful information. If you post a provocative post, chances are it will provoke people to post, where they might not have if you didn't. For instance, if you whine about whining PvEers, some might take the opportunity to point out the irony.

Don't poke the carebear

 

[Sole Hunter]

Sole Hunter, you are hopefully aware that unlike so many posters on this forum, I trust and value your opinion because you are honest about it rather than trying to be all clever with ulterior motives. When I put up proposals like the CLogging thread, or the meaningful PvP thread, I am doing so based on feedback from players like you (True Silver is another one, Arguendo is another, Algomatic & Besieger to a lesser degree).

As you say, Griefing is a part of the game. There are times when I want another to take some pain, I understand that and FDev do too, the game would quickly be overrun by socialites without griefers to give them something to complain about, and I don't want to play in that environment either. Someone needs to play the baddie, someone else needs to step up and play the cops, so that I don't feel I have to, because mostly I'm just happy to do my own thing.

You guys, as a sub-set of the community are clearly struggling to be organised. You (not you personally) are getting angry that the game is not improving in the direction you want, just as every other sub-set is angry that the game is not improving in their favoured direction. I play a different way from you, I'm not all focused on PvP so I see their frustration too. But they are pretty organised and can help themselves, whereas you guys overall need (and regularly demand) help from either mods, devs, the game rules or whatever rather than working together to find solutions.

So here I am, reading all your stuff, asking questions where things aren't clear and then proposing solutions. That some posters don't like the ideas is great, I can refine my idea. I don't expect anyone to give me any attention at all, but if they do I appreciate it.

Find my first and second posts in this thread, read them & you'll see why I'm here. They are only a couple of pages back, before all this ad hominem biowaste derailed the thread.

Unliked many PVP'ers in this community, I never liked organised PVP in Elite.

What always made PVP appealing for me is the element of surprise and the thrill of always being at risk of losing my ship. Now, not so much with the garbage engineers update.

I believe that having a dedicated sub-set community and specific rules for PVP is bad and tends to create an "Elitism" culture. It never worked in EVE online because PVP is inseparable from the game experience and I don't see why we would need something like this in this game.

If I want to blow up a sidewinder and gank people in Eravate with my friends because I feel like it, I will do it, I could care less about your PVP rules.

 

[jasonbarron]

This is a public forum, everyone has a right to be here unless FDev decides to lock it behind some mystical wall. Most people have an opinion on things and perhaps they want to get into pvp but have not as of yet.
A lot of the noise being generated is by pvp players who think they are above anybody who doesn't and that puts people on the defensive right away which then becomes an argument instead of a discussion. And yes the blame goes to both sides since it takes 2 to tango..... er argue.
Think of the children people

Are you looking for good advice or not? From your focus and tone it seems like you need a bit of coddling. In my experience, players like you start out looking for "help" but then get side tracked about criticizing Pvpers for their tone and then act on the horrible advice of PvEers whos "nominal" FdL builds include such helpful items as docking computers, extra cargo capacity and planetary vehicle hangers. You need to decide what your priorities are: do you want help from experts, or a bubble wrapped ray of sunshine blown up your backside? If it's the latter you might as well just cut to the chase and apply to Mobius right now, because your never going to build a PvP ship and learn to fly it.

 

[Prole 217]

Yo, hold up.

The PvP forum is for everyone, especially PvE bros who want to learn a few things before they jump into PvP. However, I will agree that they are better off just reading, or asking questions sometimes. Keeps things from getting super cluttered with back and forth quote fests... which I am now participating in. GG everybody lol. Oh well, it's not an advice thread or anything, so it's whatever.


Just to be clear: I'm not saying the PvP crowd has absolute knowledge, and everyone's opinion is 100% fact because they PvP, either. Plenty of misinformation out there, especially on other social platforms(Oh, the madness on Facebook), but most of us here tend to know our stuff.

One last thing.

If you see a post that looks like it might only exist to stir the pot, consider overlooking it. Clogging up a thread is not a one sided issue, it takes at least two participants. Remember that.

The PvP side should be as accommodating as possible to anyone who shows some interest in learning the ropes. Hostility or bickering does not win hearts, my dudes.

I like the idea of a subsection devoted to advice/training for all of the different things in the game not just pvp it would be great in my opinion; however, how would that work? People, especially the agitators, are going to try and derail things that go against their preferred ideas.
A forum name means little and probably doesnt reflect the posters real in game commander name.
Moderating such threads would probably be a nightmare. Although I think it would be worth it, maybe come up with "Teachers" who could have a special color to their name as well as anyone being able to post; hopefully, helpful information.
Make them special subforums that would lock things down that are not in fact advice but inflammatory and derogatory, and any other kind of tory if you like.
But gereral subforums like this one and the community goals etc should be just as they are.

Perhaps add tags to post starters like #GE #ME or some such thing to identify the intent of the poster?

The big thing is if you want a discussion you should not be argumentative.

As far as discord goes I will look into that thank you.

 

[Riverside]

If I want to blow up a sidewinder in Eravate because I feel like it, I will do it, I could care less about your PVP ethos.

Exactly. Play your own way, I'll play mine. My rules apply to me, and me alone. Yours apply to you, and you make your own choices.

Don't be a sheep & follow the meta, be the shepherd, or the wolf.