All Quiet on the Orion Nebula, Running Man, Flame and NGC 1999 fronts, but Witch Head is crawling with Thargoids (and the Alliance of course). Other than the Alliance or other human activity, I wonder if there is some actual scientific similarity between California, Pleiades, Witch Head, and Coalsack Nebulae? (and possibly the locked nebulae also) that is drawing the Thargoid presence? Or is it just because of the evil human baddies expanding there? (Are we the baddies?). Why are there no lengthy Thargoid logistics lines/presence back to their home areas, or signs of them travelling from there at least? Do their witchspace routes only take them to certain nebulae? Another last thought for the night - Thargoids coming up from Orion way might be Oresrians, those coming from Coalsack way might be Klaxians? Or vice versa. Oh, and Raxxla. I'll get back to that at some point. Maybe after a quick trip out California way tomorrow, and then back via the Aquila Rift to finish up with Jorki's Great Rift theory. Oh, and because I want to get Beyond it. Heh heh. (already was but it is still a great pun).
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Very interesting find indeed. We should mention that brow also means top part of a hill, peak, mountaintop and also eyebrow. But what u say is the German translation is forehead. I would be glad if you enlighten me about the usage of this in example sentences, sorry i cant speak German. The word stirn, does it mean different things like in english? or is it only used for human forehead? For example if you talk about a sculptures forhead, or an animals, do you use stirn word? Are there synonims in german for that stirn? (like brow and forehead)Fernweh basically means to yearn for the far. It's the of opposite of homesick (Heimweh in german).
In my opinion the toast is still one of the most solid puzzles there are in regard to tdw or raxxla so excuse my tinfoil as i dive in a little
My translation from german to english (am native german):
"To the Jewel, that shines at the forehead of the mother of all galaxies! To the whispers in the blackness of space, the siren in the deepest nothing! To the parents grief, the lovers woe (lament works too) and yearning of every vagabond! To Raxxla!"
The main differences being:
They chose to write forehead (Stirn) instead of brow (Braue), but seeing it as calling it the middle or the focal point of something/place gets across either way, more visually speaking (trying to find the eyes) it would place the supposed jewel kind of differently. Interesting fact, "Gestirn", is a german word for light emitting or reflecting bodies in space.
"Stirn" can also mean a front facing part.
Mother of all galaxies seems to be the implication of the original english text too imo, it just gets specificly pointed out in german, don't know why (could just as easily been "Mutter der Galaxien" which would have been a perfect fit).
Also, the german text does not only refer to A "whisperer" but general whispers, but refering to the siren in the same sentence just like the original, makes the source of the whispers kind of singular again. "Schwärze" could be translated to darkness but "blackness" is a much closer. Of course the darkness of space tends to be black so no big news here but still a wierd choice of words.
The deepest nothing is also a wierd choice as Quoted OP stated The Void is also called the Void in the german translation of the game, meaning the void mentioned in the toast could be a entirely different place to the one on the map.
Rover apparently is just an older word for vagabond so yeah, "Vagabund" is just Vagabond.
The difference in wording and word count could mean one of three things:
1. the hints the toast gives are even more vague than we tought OR just partially with more specific information troughout different translations
2. there is a specific sequence or phrasing to be found in the toast, respective of the languages structure and/or poetic customs, so the changes are on purpose
3. bad translation
if the first option is believable it would mean that:
-the placement of the "jewel" is more of a central object than lying between two "eyes"
-the mother of all galaxies is not Cassiopeia, but maybe something either more cosmological or an even more important name giving entity
-witchspace not being mentiones could mean either its not important or the english translation has the next piece of info needed taht identifies the blackness as witchspace
-the void in the toast is not the void we know
Option two reeks of spacemadness so i stay away from that until my options run out.
of course bad translation is the easiest option, but the toast itself is not arkwardly worded at all, it all fits well, just some facts are off, so either the translator had some freedoms in translating the toast (which would be suspicious if considered a hint), or it was just not that important to get right (which would atleast exclude the toast as a piece of the puzzle).
I picked this toast apart time and time again, in german and english alike, thought id chime in to clear the german translation.
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Well, we attacked them first (this time! Can’t speak for first war but I suspect same then). We were the ones who raided their mining sites (barnacles). We (well, stupid Alliance) were the ones who arbitrarily started to terra bomb their homes (Ammonia Worlds) in Coalsack. So yes, we’re the baddies. It seems there was (perhaps it’s still there?) a monitoring mechanism for humans befriending/feeding Thargoids, which would have demonstrated humanity’s attitude to them and FD could have changed the narrative, but clearly that wasn’t necessary. Perhaps the real purpose of UA/TS was to provide humanity with something which we could have fed back to the goids to start friendly relations? I did say strenuously (probably in the old Canonn threads) back in 2015/16 that there was no clash of interests between goids and humanity so no need for a war, then Meta Alloys were found and pirated....
Yes, it may well be that to date we have encountered Oresrians and now we’ve upset the Klaxians and will reap the results. I noted that the pic of the Hesperus Goid seemed to have “Velcro loops” on its back which I hadn’t noticed before and wondered if it was a new type/faction. Hence my interest in pix of the Goid logos. I suspect if we can get some we’ll see some differences. We need intel!! Though I suspect the Hesperus pic was from near BL since the early Adamastor logs mentioned Azimuth had a secret base out that way & I suspect Hesperus was destroyed there, wish I was better at star pattern matching! Surprised nobody’s found it yet! Are Canonn all on lockdown? They’d normally have found it by now.
I suspect goids don’t have supply lines as such, which will make fighting a guerrilla war against them rather difficult. I think they travel in hyperspace directly between Nebulae sites, because barnacles are sown there to harvest the minerals present and manufacture MA. Might be that a preponderance of star types is necessary for that process-might be interesting to analyse the star type ratios in each of the nebulae we know of.
Happy journey on The Dark Rift! Can’t remember offhand all the parts I visited, they were listed on Wikipedia but that seems to have disappeared. I think one on the list (Barnard 78?) wasn’t named in-game but seems to be the bowl of the pipe neb, but Lupus, Lupus Dark Region, Aquila, IC 4064 (reflection neb, with GCS Sarasvati), Pipe (bowl and stem), Ophiuchus, Coalsack, Snake, and Musca etc all are. I’ll try and remember to check my route and update this if I’ve forgotten any (likely!). But must get back to DIY today, I’ve had two days off......
Edit: I spent the time doing an orbit of Sol in the approximate orbit of Pluto & at its distance, just in case ‘spinning on the outermost orbit” meant the orbit of Pluto (outermost edge of Solar system when game released & Raxxla inserted); found nothing, no “asteroid cluster” appeared in left hud, but with no orbit line for Pluto I’m sure I wondered off course. And then I signed up for the Duamta station CG...
Edit2 : my Dark Rift survey trip included Corona Australis and R Cra nebulae- just seen yesterday’s Galnet which reminded me. If I’d known that’s where Serene Harbour was I’d have paid a call (clandestine, think I may have forgotten to pay my bar bill on my last Empire visit!
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Interesting, the german "Braue" is not use in regard of hills and peaks. "Stirn" just means forhead, and it gets used for everything that has a anatomical forehead. There are no relevant synonyms for "Stirn", just the ones i mentioned.
If you translate "Stirn" from german to english, brow shows up as an option in most translators, so maybe just lazy translation,
but "Braue" is specifically the brow ridge, and "Stirn" is specifically the forehead.
Its just wierd that they could have translated it 1:1 no problem, there are no words missing in german to have a 100% accurate translation (except mabye witchspace). The wording is natural, everything fits nicely, just the facts are off.
Well... when I hear the word brow without it being preceded by "eye", the first image I get IS of a forehead rather than the eyebrow area specifically. When used poetically, I think that's often the intention of it.
If stirn is being used in the German translation, I suspect it is to convey that same image. It may or may not be a relevant clue, it just be that the writer of the toast, or the translator felt the same as I do about the word brow, as used in English.
The old aliens threads are all dead, most of them haven't had a post since January and the mysteries thread hasn't had one since September last time I looked. Pretty sad. Maybe the Canonn are hoarding everything on Discord or somewhere else now.
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Edit2 : my Dark Rift survey trip included Corona Australis and R Cra nebulae- just seen yesterday’s Galnet which reminded me. If I’d known that’s where Serene Harbour was I’d have paid a call (clandestine, think I may have forgotten to pay my bar bill on my last Empire visit!
Been through Lupus, Musca, Coalsack and Coalsack Dark Region already on the way out here, so going to do a loop and go back around through Aquila and as many of the others as I can, then pay Felicity a visit. I don't hold out much hope, my FSD was already engineered by her to the max some years ago, and pretty sure I sold her data then from some of these areas (by chance). Will see what is going on by then but may head back out here in time for the launch in case anything unlocks, or head to Sol perhaps.
So from the definition we are discussing we can have a assumption like this:
as @TrillClinton mentioned the definition of brow should be taken as forehead, not eyebrow nor the other meanings. I wonder how it could be interpretted from other languages? I know a lot of cmdrs speaking Spanish and Russian, may be they can enlight us about the Raxxla codex interpretation in their language?
Yep, Lupus was definitely one I visited, and all the variations of the Dark Nebulae regions. One thing I noticed was that according to EDSM the Galactic Mapping project has tagged HIP 84605 as The Great Rift, but also lists all the component nebulae (maybe that’s where I got the list from?) https://www.edsm.net/en_GB/system/id/176894/name/HIP+84605
Perhaps they regarded HIP 84605 as the centre of The Great Rift? But I found when I went out there that I had already visited it so couldn’t scan it again. But it would be poor game design if you couldn’t join TDW because you’d already visited a place on a previous expedition! (I spent a long time out in that area trying to match the view to some pic that I thought might be a clue to Raxxla...)
I wrote above, you can not that discussions are public, otherwise it will affect the game itself.
The game is the game, discussions about it are quite separate.
FDev may read our discussions, and probably fall about on the floor crying with laughter, but I don’t think anything we say in these discussions will cause them to change anything; it’s difficult enough to get obvious bugs corrected!
FDev may read our discussions, and probably fall about on the floor crying with laughter, but I don’t think anything we say in these discussions will cause them to change anything; it’s difficult enough to get obvious bugs corrected!
Nobody knows, apart from FDev,
and Thargoids!
What do you mean :
1. The murder of Salome?
2. Remaking the first base of the Guardians?
3. Sudden closure of star systems ?
But in any case it is a spiral galaxy.
Nevertheless, the developers should understand that as soon as they make the legs that many people will go into all sorts of bases guards and targoids, not just in human settlements.
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It's like we have ALL the pieces but they're actually for several puzzles that all have the exact same shaped pieces and the picture is similar too and they all came in the same box with no finished picture, just a few suggestions of what the picture may be.
What part of that is supposed to be "a little bit obvious" ?
What part of that is supposed to be "a little bit obvious" ?
As stated in my original post i also see it more as a refrence to a central point of something, but IF you tried to visually find or by meaning decipher the "eyes" it would make a big diffrence if you aligned for the brow (more linear) or the forehead (triangular). Just keeping options open.
I agree that it propably just refrences a central (maybe brighter than usual) point in a constellation of some sort, that either is or can be connected trough mythos to the creation of atleast a few galaxies.
I personally tought about it as either being right on the browridge between the eyebrows, or the center of the forehead, right in the middle between hairline and eyebrows.
Being aware about all the diffrences in translation would help to find out which parts of the toast are more literal and had to be carried over 1:1 and which are more vague concepts. As an example the parents grief and lovers woe are defined, clear refrences to either myth, history or art and from what i see even the diffrences in spanish are just a choice of taking the first or second translation result for a word. The mother of all galxies is more vague and that jewel is all over the place, this makes me think that the mother is a grander concept to be understood, in order to find the center and with that the more literal "jewel".
Of course there are language barriers in translating, but assuming the toast has some importance, it had to be written with all the info you need to solve it in any language (or atleast i hope). If it turns out the texts have these consistencies in being vague about certain and literal about other things, we'd know the priority of key words, which would maybe help in solving the toast (if possible).
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