Looking for systems which might act as a metaphorical interpretation or personification of the John Milton character ‘Sin’ and or ‘Death’ who built Lucifers viaduct.

I’m not attempting to exhibit any level of expertise in this field, (not religious in the slightest) just looking for potential matches in game, to see where they might fall in relation to other systems which might identify Lucifers viaduct!

The obvious first choice would be: Sin -23.09; -20.91; 17.84, but this is too close in my opinion to Sol and not far enough into the lower celestial sphere to warrant inclusion.


‘This article discusses the ontological metaphors relating to the personification of sin in the Bible. It aims to explore the metaphorical conceptualisation of sin as a person, as suggested in the sin expressions. Lakoff and Johnson's (1980) Conceptual Metaphor Theory is used in analysing the data. The findings of the study indicate that sin is conceptualised as king, master, lord, paymaster, mother, and child. The use of these conceptual metaphors indicates that the writers of the selected biblical texts intended to project a deeper meaning of sin beyond the literal meaning of sin in daily language. The ontological metaphorical use of sin in the Bible seems to give a greater effect in comprehension to the reader of the texts.’

Obviously the reference scope needs to incorporate potential biblical, Greek, Roman and possibly Norse sources. If applicable I don’t expect such a link to be directly overt, but like Achlys metaphorical, any such affirmation may only be accepted if we can then place both ‘Sin and Death’ in relation to each other in game.

Again this is testing this Milton hypothesis not necessarily to prove it, it seems initially apparent such a mechanism would be too easy.

I’m not expecting much.

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Very Interesting

PSR B1257+12 - Wikipedia

PSR J1300+1240,[6] is a millisecond pulsar located 2,300 light-years from the Sun in the constellation of Virgo, rotating at about 161 times per second (faster than a blender's blade).[1] It is also named Lich, after a powerful, fictional undead creature of the same name.[7][5]

The pulsar has a planetary system with three known planets, named "Draugr" (PSR B1257+12 b or PSR B1257+12 A), "Poltergeist" (PSR B1257+12 c, or PSR B1257+12 B) and "Phobetor" (PSR B1257+12 d, or PSR B1257+12 C), respectively. They were both the first extrasolar planets and the first pulsar planets to be discovered; B and C in 1992 and A in 1994. A is the lowest-mass planet yet discovered by any observational technique, with somewhat less than twice the mass of Earth's moon.



Its located far above near the Bootes void (Siren of the deepest void?). Maybe we go there look down at the galactic plain that would look like spiralling stars and super cruise to the jewel that burns on the brow V886 Centauri the Diamond star? or Sol life?

I have always thought the line… to the jewel that burns on the brow of the galaxy, to the whisperer of witch space siren of the deepest void. Could be read as we have to first go to the siren to see or head to the jewel rather than the jewel being our starting location.

also I know this does not make much sense with the lore surrounding Raxxla’s location being within about 100 ly from soul, but what we could be looking for is a door that is also a key, a jump gate that you go through that takes you to a permit locked system where Raxxla is guarded by the Club under lock and key. LFT 509

Another point… If true that DB said that "Hutton Orbital is a walk in the park compared to Raxxla", then it could be a clue that we may have to do a Super cruise in a said system? When he could have just said the journey to Maia is a walk in the park compared to Raxxla
Nice hypothesis. I tried many neutron stars in my Dark Sirens/supernova remnant hypothesis testing but didnt spot that one. “On the brow” could conceivably be coupled with “spiralling stars” to suggest a location high above/below the galactic plane. Lich is interesting-I’ve never been into Lovecraft but Michael Brookes is/was and apparently that mythos contains liches.

There is no “ lore surrounding Raxxla’s location being within about 100 ly from Sol”. That is pure supposition based on our inference from the 2296 date of the first reported rumour of Raxxla and the ship fsd capabilities up to that time; that 2296 first rumour date could be FD obfuscation!! It is a convenient hypothesis since it drastically shrinks down the potential search space, but it may well be incorrect! However I’ve also pointed out that it is based on the hypothesis that Raxxla has been visited to create that rumour & there is no evidence for that either...the ‘Raxxla rumour’ might have been based on astronomical observations e.g. by the IRL Gaia astronometry satellite. Mother Gaia being the major faction within Sol, and there was a post on Galnet 14 June 3301 https://news.galnet.fr/simguru-offers-to-share-tomorrow-today/“Sol is the birthplace of our race, the shining jewel of our galaxy”, which might be the first clue in the “personal journey” suggesting this.

Do you have a reference source for that “DB said that Hutton Orbital is a walk in the park compared to Raxxla"? It’s the first I’ve ever heard of that in the seven years I’ve been playing the game & I keep a thread of potentially useful FD quotes. It sounds like internet rumour, but if you have a source reference then I’ll add it.

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Ive just googled that alleged quote and found absolutely no evidence of it!
 
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Is there a database of system descriptions anywhere?
I’m intrigued to see if statuettes crop anywhere other than Grandmort...
Ya i dont think there is a good db of system descriptions it doesnt look like ed discovery collects it- and with the proliferation of “player factions” and letting them change the descriptions i think many of the few system descriptions that were actually put in the game originally have been altered or destroyed.
 
Ya i dont think there is a good db of system descriptions it doesnt look like ed discovery collects it- and with the proliferation of “player factions” and letting them change the descriptions i think many of the few system descriptions that were actually put in the game originally have been altered or destroyed.
Mmm, that’s what I suspected...though hadnt realised player factions were allowed to change the system description. Bad move!

Next question- is there an easy way of checking for anagrams against known system names? Unfortunately I’m no programmer.
And doing it manually is very tedious!
 
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Mmm, that’s what I suspected...though hadnt realised player factions were allowed to change the system description. Bad move!

Next question- is there an easy way of checking for anagrams against known system names? Unfortunately I’m no programmer.
It's wasn't as much changing as adding. Player factions were allowed to submit a system description for their home system. FD then edited the texts (mostly shortened) and added them to the game. I don't think many of these systems had any description, before player factions.
I was part of the writing group that made the description for Varati (player faction Canonn). We made up a bit of history for the system. FD approved most of it and put it in.
 
It's wasn't as much changing as adding. Player factions were allowed to submit a system description for their home system. FD then edited the texts (mostly shortened) and added them to the game. I don't think many of these systems had any description, before player factions.
I was part of the writing group that made the description for Varati (player faction Canonn). We made up a bit of history for the system. FD approved most of it and put it in.

Yes there were very few ingame descriptions to begin with but after player descriptions were allowed some were written over ( i remember at the time going back to some systems and seeing the text replaced… dont ask me which systems now)… some were added to or changed i think. The essence being though that any use like Jorki is asking for is gone. I was hoping for a while that they would implement a procedural descriptions for all the blank ones at one point - but ya the player factions happened and yeah…
 
How much information about systems and player interaction is there? It's really tough trying to read through all of these posts and it might have been asked before but...

I've read that the system that Raxxla is in has been visited by at least 1 person unknowingly who honked and left. Is there a way to filter systems by "x" amount of unique players who have visited it?
 
How much information about systems and player interaction is there? It's really tough trying to read through all of these posts and it might have been asked before but...

I've read that the system that Raxxla is in has been visited by at least 1 person unknowingly who honked and left. Is there a way to filter systems by "x" amount of unique players who have visited it?
Nope

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How much information about systems and player interaction is there? It's really tough trying to read through all of these posts and it might have been asked before but...

I've read that the system that Raxxla is in has been visited by at least 1 person unknowingly who honked and left. Is there a way to filter systems by "x" amount of unique players who have visited it?
The ability to track which star you have visited was not a mechanism available at launch.

Also remember that not every player downloads their data to those 3rd party tools. Which themselves only came into existence sometime after launch.

So ultimately there exists a period of time where there was no data being recorded.
 
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Razrla => Radium/Zirconium/Lanthane (elements : 88 40 57)
"xx" could be a placeholder, doesn't Frontier absolutely love placeholders? :LOL:
XX could be wildcards so another option is something like Raksla. Sounds the same but different letters. Part of my current conjecture (cant even dignify it by calling it a hypothesis!) & hence need for an anagram solver. I need to test a string of letters against all known system in-game names. An online anagram resolver is of no use since they’re based on a standard English dictionary not a database of ED system names.
About a year ago I manually tested “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” for anagrams against a Spansh search for systems within about 100ly from Sol & was overwhelmed. Need to automate that testing.
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I had 90+ matches within 64ly of Sol....
 
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XX could be wildcards so another option is something like Raksla. Sounds the same but different letters. Part of my current conjecture (cant even dignify it by calling it a hypothesis!) & hence need for an anagram solver. I need to test a string of letters against all known system in-game names. An online anagram resolver is of no use since they’re based on a standard English dictionary not a database of ED system names.
About a year ago I manually tested “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” for anagrams against a Spansh search for systems within about 100ly from Sol & was overwhelmed. Need to automate that testing.
Anagrams are funny and “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” is a long title. Some form of code is usually more FDs modus operandi.

It's still enjoyable to play with anagrams. I like to combine these to online solver tools, when I play with them:

They give a balance of between solving huge anagrams and the ability to add 'custom' words.

An example of what you can get from “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars”: SCAN ALTAIRS THIRD PLANET SENSORS RIPPLES GH

The GH at the end is a bit iffy, but I interpret it as ' Good Hunting' 😁
 
How much information about systems and player interaction is there? It's really tough trying to read through all of these posts and it might have been asked before but...

I've read that the system that Raxxla is in has been visited by at least 1 person unknowingly who honked and left. Is there a way to filter systems by "x" amount of unique players who have visited it?
This comes from a report by CMDR Ascorbius as being said by Michael Brookes in a private meeting at Elitecon. We only have his word for it ofc (no other confirmations for others and nothing from Mr Bookes himself). No way to do that filtering in game. EDSM will give some stats on player reported visits for each system.

 
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Indeed, as Yelboc says, EDSM provides some information about systems visited to date. However although EDSM has been in existence since 2015 it is an optional tool so not everyone has been using it in their gameplay. So even if MB truly said that “the system containing Raxxla had been visited & honked but Raxxla was not discovered” we have no way of knowing when that happened or if the “almost discoverer” was reporting systems to EDSM at the time.

Although only a small part of the ED galaxy has been discovered (I think it’s still less than 1%) we have no idea when that “almost discovery” occured, it could have been on day one, or during many journeys out to Beagle Point and other extremities of the galaxy....so the alleged saying gives us absolutely no idea of where Raxxla might be. That system might be noted within EDSM’s database, or it may not.
 
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