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If Raxxla is Guardian. My big question for y'all is:

When could Raxxla (specifically the classical Omphalos Rift Stargate version*) appear in the timeline of Guardian Lore?



* As opposed to the 'gateway to other universes' being virtual or a transcendence post-mortality state, for example.
 
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If Raxxla is Guardian. My big question for y'all is:

When could Raxxla (specifically the classical Omphalos Rift Stargate version*) appear in the timeline of Guardian Lore?



* As opposed to the 'gateway to other universes' being virtual or a transcendence post-mortality state, for example.
I would say you can rule out the time from when they we're wiped out onwards with some certainty... 😁
 
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If Raxxla is Guardian. My big question for y'all is:

When could Raxxla (specifically the classical Omphalos Rift Stargate version*) appear in the timeline of Guardian Lore?



* As opposed to the 'gateway to other universes' being virtual or a transcendence post-mortality state, for example.
I think Raxxla appear long after the Guardian timeline we have from the sites. If Raxxla has any connection to the classical mythology of earth, I think we can approximately date it. If we believe all the stories, mythologies and religions, it seems the goods appear on earth about 12,000 BC and mostly leave around 3,000 - 2,000 BC.
We then have a short return of a demi god from about 4 BC - 30 AD and a human using the portal in about 620 AD.

In this period the gods lived elsewhere and just visited earth, when they felt like it. Some lived in the heavens and some lived in the underworld. They all had some access to earth, but very limited for those from the underworld.

This period is probably at least million years after the fall of the Guardians. We are talking about remnants, exiles, constructs or some other form of descendents from the Guardians. Possibly several factions, in a bit of a power struggle.
We only have access to the late history of the traditionalist Guardians. These were fully or mostly wiped out.
What happened to the other groups, is still unknown. Who ever they were or are, the seem to have given up on project earth a few thousand years ago. Hopefully they didn't dismantle their portal when they left. They sure hid it well though. :giggle:
 
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If Raxxla is Guardian. My big question for y'all is:

When could Raxxla (specifically the classical Omphalos Rift Stargate version*) appear in the timeline of Guardian Lore?



* As opposed to the 'gateway to other universes' being virtual or a transcendence post-mortality state, for example.
When they where on their last retreat and needed to escape? and in turn also created the AI which could be linked
 
It would be right after the Arks. They fully develop Hyperspace whilst the Arks were traveling. I think this is scattered between the various Guardian Data logs on culture and technology. Faster than light communication came first then full hyperspace.
Side note: FDev co-developed or partially funded Deliver Us Mars and the same company has Deliver Us the Moon. Those games have 3 Arks just like the Guardians and timeline match Elite Universe exactly. I don't know if we should read into that or not. If nothing else, the story is freaking amazing. Outward is the story of the 3 Arks and an attempt to save humanity. The lore deeply involved artificial intelligence, too.

I have personal suspicions that Artemis Suit looks the way it does very intentionally.
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Source: https://youtu.be/pFtauCf9ids?si=HzYI3aBkeHTrpngo


Source: https://youtu.be/Oaw1qppFQcs?si=bjZeUK24M3cfxFVr
 
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Positioning of the gods

Following on from my investigations into the possibility that certain systems named after deities hold some unknown spacial alignment, please find below the following data.

These lists are not definitive and may be edited over time.

Thunder and Storm gods
Systems named after thunder or storm gods are positioned tightly around Sol in a bubble, the large majority are above Sol, these collectively sit above those systems named after rivers etc. This sector is also attributed to various ‘upper gods’ also.

River gods
Systems named after various river goods are positioned just below this ‘thunder zone’. They also look to slope downwards towards the zone identified as the Lost Realms.

Underworld gods
Systems named after death or rulers of the underworld are sparsely grouped below the river zone , with a distinct slope towards or with a focal point in the Lost Realms zone.

Fertility, paternity and death
Systems named after fertility deities are positioned just below the Lost Realm zone. Those with death are in the same zone as those of the underworld. Those with paternity are in the same zone as those of thunder.

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Additional boundary layers of waters

In game there are a set of systems with bodies named after Mountains. Directly above and below these are two systems identified with triad goddesses.

In between these are systems linked to story of Gilgamesh, linked to mountains and the primordial waters of creation of Aspu.

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Assessment

The placement of systems in game named after deities having a shared locality relationship with waters, I identify as probable (55 -75%) to be intentional, this can be identified due to the relative close proximity to other systems sharing similar relationships and being grouped tightly into a common focal point.

All deities found to date are focused around or below Sol, there are none found further out than the prescribed sphere of influence set by the furthest discovered systems up-to 2296.

These systems when shown together do advocate the existence of a focal point corresponding to the Lost Realms zone, an area denoted just under the underworld zone. This zone is encapsulated by all other zones.

The Yggdrasil systems also correlate, likewise aligning with the Lost Realms zone, associated with systems describing the ‘edge of the world’ and the guard dog of the underworld. Likewise this area aligns with the first tour of Brookes galactic tour.

Assumptions
Michael Brookes (RIP) wrote a number of drabbles about some of these deities.

These various deity systems are not in totality; there do exist various other related deities outside the game which are not in game, in addition to the evident concentrations in game and that certain deities are omitted, and Brookes interest in certain obscure deities, might indicate these systems were placed intentionally.

These zone denotes a separation boundary (water) similar to that denoted by Robert Holdstocks Lost Realms, namely that the Otherworld is hidden over sea or water or below ground (aka the underworld) or through a mountain as well as the myth of Gilgamesh, which Holdstock utilises as a reference in the Lost Realms and his other works such as Ragthorn.

In if following this the ‘Otherworld’ is the same as Holdstocks ‘Lost Realms’ eg a lost paradise ergo Eden, as Holdstock identifies. Similarly as FD establishes Raxxla is the same as John Miltons ‘pendant world’ aka Raxxla is another example of a lost Eden aka a Lost Realm.

The above maps further establish the Lost Realms zone as a focal point. And that the ’Otherworld’ aka Raxxla is probably below or above the zone of ‘Water’ or above or below the zone of ‘fertility’.

Many deities have multiple meanings, for instance certain fertility deities are also attributed to be, mother and or earth deities.

Within certain beliefs of a world-tree concept, various deities are considered guardians, or emissaries. In some Celtic beliefs certain trees / groves denote a fulcrum, or bridge to the Otherworld. It’s possible certain deities in game may further identify the general location of Raxxla.

Considering this zone also falls upon my hypothesised sphere of influence set by the date 2296, I prescribe this area is the same as that referred to by FD as the ‘outer rim’ within the discarded FD/DW missions.

This outer rim is itself a metaphor for the Miltonian concept of a model universe, the outer sphere or rim being the Crystalline Sphere. However, our real cosmological sphere was inside that outer sphere, denoted to belong to that of Urania.

The Greek historian Herodotus ascribes the ‘Interpretation graeca’ (Greek Translation) of Gaia to be that of Aphrodite Urania, one of the Moirai (fates).

One such assumption then is that FD has utilised this reference to denote a boundary, the outer rim. And that Raxxla sits upon the ‘Brow’ of this sphere in the same regard that Miltons heavens gate sat upon the brow of his sphere (Milton actually calls it a brow in Paradise Lost).

I prescribe that location is the same as the focal point for the Lost Realms zone and that those deities linked to fertility and or mother/earth gods verily denotes its zenith.

Intelligence gaps

It is currently unknown if certain deities are linked to a Holdstock concept of a triad or Holdstocks Ragthorn temple or Celtic tradition as guardians of the path to the Otherworld.

Recommendations
Identify all ‘fertility’ deities with duality references to earth/mother concepts and which fall within the focus point of the Lost Realms zone, identifying an area of influence applicable for searching.

The List Realms of Robert Holdstock
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10214625
 
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All deities found to date are focused around or below Sol, there are none found further out than the prescribed sphere of influence set by the furthest discovered systems up-to 2296.
These zone denotes a separation boundary (water) similar to that denoted by Robert Holdstocks Lost Realms, namely that the Otherworld is hidden over sea or water. In if following this the ‘Otherworld’ is the same as Holdstocks ‘Lost Realms’ eg a lost paradise ergo Eden, as Holdstock identifies. Similarly as FD establishes Raxxla is the same as John Miltons ‘pendant world’ aka Raxxla is another example of a lost Eden aka a Lost Realm.
Can you check the Aerial system relative to your zones? I think I know where Eden is located. Aerial is where Holdstock's story "Earthwind" happened but apparently due to some temporal anomaly it occurs in 36th century (Tuesday, January 1, 3501 - Sunday, December 31, 3600).

I think you'll understand way I suggest this given the rare good from the system: Eden Apples Of Aerial



This is almost too perfect and makes so much sense with the larger lore 😭🥹
 
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Aerial is a good candidate, it is very close, being within the ‘underground’ zone.

But in Earthwind the name was not Aerial, it was Aeran. This is as a girl's name related to the Gaelic name Erin. The meaning of Aeran is "Ireland".

The words Aeran and Erin are not systems in game.
 
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An unassuming red dwarf reasonably close to the Imperial core, right next to the Lavigny's Legion headquarters in Carthage? A fairly good place to hide something in plain sight, for sure.

That still leaves the question of: what would be the next step?
 
That still leaves the question of: what would be the next step?
Scan the system thoroughly. There's bound to be something important. Though, that may be the apple 🍎 itself.

That said, there's a reason why I said this,
This is almost too perfect and makes so much sense with the larger lore😭🥹

For the record, pretty sure Aerial is in "Tour of the Universe" and one or two others done jointly between Robert Holdstock and Malcolm Edwards. Here's the book's description from the rear:

Earthwind tells the story of two people trapped on the planet Aeran. What has happened to the colonists of this world to obliterate their memories of who and what they were, and to have rebuilt in their place a precise and accurate copy of a stone age culture that had flourished in Ireland during the fourth millennium BC?

Elspeth Mueller, fighting against time as her memory decayed, tried to find out; deformed and embittered by the barbaric rituals of her ‘civilised’ home world, she struggled against her own fear to accept the cruel customs of Aerani society, knowing that the answers she sought lay in those same rituals.

Peter Ashka, his life inextricably interwoven with the I Ching, tried to find out as well — but his quest brought him into conflict with the two authorities that guided his life.

All the time the Earthwind haunted them; a complex symbol, it defied interpretation and eluded all who questioned it… until it destroyed them.
I think this is first very clear indication most if not all the Steven Eisler, Robert Holdstock, and jointly written works between Robert Holdstock and Malcolm Edwards are canonical to Elite Dangerous.

Remember, this is the Pilot's Federation symbol and astronomical symbol of Earth..
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Positioning of the gods

Following on from my investigations into the possibility that certain systems named after deities hold some unknown spacial alignment, please find below the following data.

These lists are not definitive and may be edited over time.

Thunder and Storm gods
Systems named after thunder or storm gods are positioned tightly around Sol in a bubble, the large majority are above Sol, these collectively sit above those systems named after rivers etc. This sector is also attributed to various ‘upper gods’ also.

River gods
Systems named after various river goods are positioned just below this ‘thunder zone’. They also look to slope downwards towards the zone identified as the Lost Realms.

Underworld gods
Systems named after death or rulers of the underworld are sparsely grouped below the river zone , with a distinct slope towards or with a focal point in the Lost Realms zone.

Fertility, paternity and death
Systems named after fertility deities are positioned just below the Lost Realm zone. Those with death are in the same zone as those of the underworld. Those with paternity are in the same zone as those of thunder.

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Assessment
All deities found to date are focused around or below Sol, there are none found further out than the prescribed sphere of influence set by the furthest discovered systems up-to 2296.

These systems when shown together do advocate the existence of a focal point within the Lost Realms zone, focusing upon an area denoting an underworld. This zone is encapsulated by all other zones.

The Yggdrasil systems do correlate, the area which aligns with the Lost Realms zone is associated with systems describing the ‘edge of the world’ and the guard dog of the underworld.

Assumptions
Michael Brookes (RIP) wrote a number of drabbles about some of these deities.

These various deity systems are not in totality; there do exist various other related deities outside the game which are not in game, in addition to the evident concentrations in game and that certain deities are omitted, and Brookes interest in certain obscure deities, might indicate these systems were placed intentionally.

These zone denotes a separation boundary (water) similar to that denoted by Robert Holdstocks Lost Realms, namely that the Otherworld is hidden over sea or water or below ground (aka the underworld) or through a mountain.

In if following this the ‘Otherworld’ is the same as Holdstocks ‘Lost Realms’ eg a lost paradise ergo Eden, as Holdstock identifies. Similarly as FD establishes Raxxla is the same as John Miltons ‘pendant world’ aka Raxxla is another example of a lost Eden aka a Lost Realm.

The above maps further establish the Lost Realms zone as a focal point. And that the ’Otherworld’ aka Raxxla is almost certainly below the zone of ‘Water’ and possibly above the zone of ‘fertility’.

Intelligence gaps
It is currently unknown if certain deities are linked to a Holdstock concept of a triad or Holdstocks Ragthorn temple.
Thunder and Storm gods are what the Thargoid Maelstroms are named after. Maybe their positions matter.
 
Aerial is a good candidate, it is very close, being within the ‘underground’ zone.

But in Earthwind the name was not Aerial, it was Aeran. This is as a girl's name related to the Gaelic name Erin. The meaning of Aeran is "Ireland".

The words Aeran and Erin are not systems in game.

Updated it is not Areial but Aeran… nice try. ;)
 
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Updated it is not Areial but Aeran… nice try. ;)
Yes I long suspected this to be so, but disregarded it following a distraction.

When I did get around to mapping the central focal point of these Mealstroms, I found they did point to an area where these ‘storm god’ appear.
 
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I think Raxxla appear long after the Guardian timeline we have from the sites. If Raxxla has any connection to the classical mythology of earth, I think we can approximately date it. If we believe all the stories, mythologies and religions, it seems the goods appear on earth about 12,000 BC and mostly leave around 3,000 - 2,000 BC.
We then have a short return of a demi god from about 4 BC - 30 AD and a human using the portal in about 620 AD.

In this period the gods lived elsewhere and just visited earth, when they felt like it. Some lived in the heavens and some lived in the underworld. They all had some access to earth, but very limited for those from the underworld.

This period is probably at least million years after the fall of the Guardians. We are talking about remnants, exiles, constructs or some other form of descendents from the Guardians. Possibly several factions, in a bit of a power struggle.
We only have access to the late history of the traditionalist Guardians. These were fully or mostly wiped out.
What happened to the other groups, is still unknown. Who ever they were or are, the seem to have given up on project earth a few thousand years ago. Hopefully they didn't dismantle their portal when they left. They sure hid it well though. :giggle:
2001 Space Odyssey is remembered in the ED docking music (as it was in Elite 1). IIRC in 2001SO the first monolith landed on Earth and affected primitive hominids in pre-history (Guardian times?). A second monolith was found (during 20th Century space exploration) in a magnetic anomaly buried on Luna & when excavated sent a signal to the final monolith in Jupiter orbit (in the book, but changed in film). The final monolith was a portal, but could be that any of them could do that function. So perhaps Raxxla is a monolith portal on Luna? Odd that Luna is still permit locked....

Luna fits one aspect of the Triple Goddess theme of the logo. It also fits the Jewel on the Brow of the Mother of Galaxies (Sol's Mother Gaia faction).

There is another possibility...that the second monolith is on Luna and points to the third (gateway) which could be on Triton (also strangely permit locked). I don't like this hypothesis as it would mean FD have deliberately blocked the Quest, and still are.

Also...Triton is the start point of the journey through the Underworld depicted in MB's tattoo
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2001 Space Odyssey is remembered in the ED docking music (as it was in Elite 1). IIRC in 2001SO the first monolith landed on Earth and affected primitive hominids in pre-history (Guardian times?). A second monolith was found (during 20th Century space exploration) in a magnetic anomaly buried on Luna & when excavated sent a signal to the final monolith in Jupiter orbit (in the book, but changed in film). The final monolith was a portal, but could be that any of them could do that function. So perhaps Raxxla is a monolith portal on Luna? Odd that Luna is still permit locked....

Luna fits one aspect of the Triple Goddess theme of the logo. It also fits the Jewel on the Brow of the Mother of Galaxies (Sol's Mother Gaia faction).

There is another possibility...that the second monolith is on Luna and points to the third (gateway) which could be on Triton (also strangely permit locked). I don't like this hypothesis as it would mean FD have deliberately blocked the Quest, and still are.

Also...Triton is the start point of the journey through the Underworld depicted in MB's tattoo
🤔
The Moon would be a practical place to put a portal, if the purpose of it is to access earth. The moon has been permit locked since release and the permit seem unobtainable. If the moon is Raxxla, it's either impossible to go there or the the permit is possible to override.
 

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We also have good old Ishmael Palin. Ishmael is of course the name of the first person narrator in the Moby D story.

Just a minor thing, but we don't actually know that's the narrator's name. Just what they ask to be called :)

Side note: FDev co-developed or partially funded Deliver Us Mars and the same company has Deliver Us the Moon.

No. FDev did not co-develop Deliver Us Mars. They were the publishers for the game that was already well under development.

Odyssey started development even before Deliver Us Mars had entered planning, and don't forget if Raxxla has been in the game since the very beginning. Then that is 4 years before Deliver Us The Moon.

I don't know if we should read into that or not.

No :)
 
The Moon would be a practical place to put a portal, if the purpose of it is to access earth. The moon has been permit locked since release and the permit seem unobtainable. If the moon is Raxxla, it's either impossible to go there or the the permit is possible to override.
No, don't think Luna is Raxxla, but from the Toast Luna might be the first step on the Journey....
 
No, don't think Luna is Raxxla, but from the Toast Luna might be the first step on the Journey....
Well, if memory is correct one of the unregistered comms that ultimately lead to first "Thargoid" crash orbits The Moon. I believe the other was near Jupiter. I put it as "Thargoid" because it is the human name for that species based on a holo-vid from Lave. THARG was the means by which the "Lavian Phoenix Greeting Protocol" was decoded from the beginning of "Lave: Revolution". That said, it doubtful that "Thargoids" are actually called "Thargoids" by themselves. Especially once you add in the annoying detail that Lave was a dictatorship in the first game which should put it well after the departure of said "Thargoids" in 3151 (we are talking 3174 to December 31st, 3199). Just saying, but maybe Robert Holdstock's mention of Oresrians that happen to look like "Thargoids" is an often overlooked important detail.

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Lavian Phoenix Greeting Protocol

The old mercenaries preferred a silent hail when meeting in deep space . Approach dead ahead with gun ports open at ninety degrees to target. Stop at five hundred metres , rotate ninety to the left and wait for same response.

Once established, custom is Phoenix members help each other. Your new friend might fly your wing for a while, but they’ll be gone if something comes up.

No pilot violates the greeting. If they does, let it be know. The Lady of Fate don’t smile on traitors.

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