Any assumptions about Milton are all bubble based, all the systems identified so far do not extend any further out. But that does not discount this theory.

I have only looked at exact name spellings, there do exist a few systems outside the bubble which have some vague naming or relationship links, but I’ve not followed these as the focus of systems looks to be within the bubble, none that I have seen seem to advocate any path outwards… I may be wrong.
 
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I know at some point this probably has come up, But what if the Guardian sites have something to do with Raxxla, because the Dark Wheel missions lead to the guardian sites, Makes it sound like Raxxla is a guardian device. Do the locations of the guardian sites have any correspondence with the mythology map thingy you guys have?
I've always thought when it's finally found it would prove to be that Raxxla is Guardian, possibly one of their ark ships that Ram Tah referred to. But the DW missions did not lead to the Guardians, FD made it clear that was the result of the Starship One and Gan Romero stories...after her recovery from time spent in her escape capsule and suffering " visions" Halsey instigated an exploration data survey and analysis which FD said led to the finding of the Guardian sites.

We have no idea why the DW missions were in-game originally nor why they were deleted. Its true that they seemed to be buggy and appeared all over the place, MB commented to that effect but why not correct the bugs rather than delete them? So IMO they were either total obfuscation and pruned out because they weren't cool, or they were reviewed and FD decided correcting the bugs would make the path to Raxxla too obvious.
 
I think FD generally MO is to nerf than fix.

Following the thread (above) it’s evident FD were reluctant to confirm anything from the outset, at most they only acknowledged it once Cmdrs had pressed them on it, even then the most we go out of them was an indirect we’re looking at it and MB saying they were spawning in the wrong places. Then total silence.

I think the opposite - I think they were a very big deal and rather than fixing them FD changed course and totally dropped that entire narrative. I also hold DB is no fan of the Raxxla mythos, in part thats why no oxygen is provided to the discussion. I also suspect the Codex was a substitute and above all a band-aid compromise… but this is only a speculative hunch.
 
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I think FD generally MO is to nerf than fix.

Following the thread (above) it’s evident FD were reluctant to confirm anything from the outset, at most they only acknowledged it once Cmdrs had pressed them on it, even then the most we go out of them was an indirect we’re looking at it and MB saying they were spawning in the wrong places. Then total silence.
I believe a large part of this is intentional. If The Dark Wheel is secretive and in direct competition with Club Conspiracy/Founders of Shinrarta Dezhra it isn't surprising that TDW keeps a lower profile. In-game Club conspiracy openly called TDW's bluff with Soontill and the relics.

Also, for Club conspiracy to even work it is highly dependent on the older lore. Jason Ryder is taken out by a Cobra Mk III. Serpent symbolism has duality at its' core: widom but at the same time representing death and resurrection. Jason Ryder is taken out by powerful people. We do have have a culprit, Raffe Zetter, who had the means, motive, and opportunity.

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Light has no meaning without darkness. You risk everything, if you neglect the darkness. I suspect we already have found sufficient proof to justify the effort that comes next. Earth was the proof that the myth was real. The catch: Raxxla was more than a tiny area of a spiral arm which just happened to be the home to humanity.

Light is easy to love. Show me your darkness.
 
Ah, I see. Must have misremembered. Still, has there been any connection made between your Miltonian Map and the locations of the guardians?
The potential connections are so unclear that it makes them fairly irrelevant until new information comes about to make that connection more concrete. That being said, it would make for a very cool lore setting if there is some kind of connection.

A few interesting aspects to the Guardians that stand out to me:
  • They likely share a genetic ancestor with humans, which indicates, assuming Raxxla is connected, they may have been the creator of this Omphalos Rift during their technological peak in the Construct's era - perhaps even the Construct itself devised it. Perhaps humanity is a form of 'last hope' to the Guardians who seeded Earth or uplifted us so we may have a chance to confront or make peace with the Construct.
  • The pattern of Guardian site locations adjacent to the bubble seems to have a directional nature to it which appears to "point" to Sol, or perhaps emanates from Sol.
  • Assuming this directional pattern is intentionally showing this relationship, then it is very tenuously possible that Mars was their early home - hence the Martian Relic. Alternately there was a far more ancient progenitor race (akin to the Elder Gods in Lovecraft) that existed who created the Omphalos Rift.
  • The Guardian technology revolves around crystals grown to serve as "part power source, part computer, part key". A potential link to the clue 'the door is also the key'. One interpretation of that is the material Raxxla is composed of / functions on is also used to access it.
Edit: Additionally there is the elephant in the room of the locked Regor sector locations. Perhaps we can find something there that clarifies any relationship or confirms it is separate from Raxxla. For example, we haven't even found any evidence of the fourth type of Guardian Ruin Site - the Omega sites.
Edit: Related post here for anyone who may have info.
 
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Yes, the DW missions involved "data crystals" which seems reminiscent of Guardian tech.
Whatever they were, FD may be happy we're still discussing them 8 years after they were deleted.

I was just wondering about any parallels between Paradise Lost and the game lore- Guardians as the angelic host, Thargoids as the fallen angels, Raxxla as Paradise...still can't help feeling there's a message in MB's tattoo
 
Definitely can't escape the obvious Guardian Angel comparison, or perhaps in a darker sense they guard against us finding something underworld-like, or guard an unknown menace kept locked away.
 
Here is an extract from Brookes blog describing the story:

The story's premise was to accept both Milton's and Lovecraft's worlds at face value and then explore that reality.

And so we have the story of creation, God creates the physical universe we know and mankind falls from grace and despite that evolves to become masters of the stars.

Unbeknownst to almost every living being (except God and a few with special insight) God created the universe from the wreckage of a much older universe.

That universe was the domain of the pantheon Lovecraft described in his mythos and the gods of humanity destroyed them in a war that saw nearly every diety also annihilated.

The multiverse is a battleground of competing entities, some powerful enough to create universes of their own, but others use different methods.

Our universe was then formed from the bones of the original creators, their followers and the upstart gods lost in the battle. It is their remains that formed the matter and energy we see around us. More than that it also forms the fabric of the universe, the essence of spacetime and the vast voids inside the atomic building blocks.

The intensity of the Big Bang and the continual transformation of matter and energy erased any memory of the dead gods and elder beings - except those fragments in the void. At the height of humanity's worldly power, it develops technology capable of tearing the fabric of space and stirring the reformation of those once sundered. The memories of beings long lost filter into reality and so starts a war of cosmic scale for the possession of creation.’ MB
 
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Note Miltons Paradise Lost may hold some interesting physical aspects about ‘angels’ as protagonists; which we might speculate, influenced Brookes development of his Older Gods characters for his ‘Space In-between’.

In Milton’s text angels, in their true forms were huge, bigger than celestial bodies, they were not necessarily the atypical ‘humans with wings’ stereotype but took on any shape or size or power they wanted at will, some looked very weird indeed.

They were physical, they ate and slept, but had no internal nor vital organs, (they were all brain, all body, all blood etc), but could be cut and hurt or even horribly wounded, but could repair themselves quickly so could never actually die, they felt no pain except when they fell from grace.

They were all knowing and could build anything from raw matter even technology, and could if required reproduce asexually although they numbered beyond millions.

Of those angels who fell to hell, Milton named after pre-Christian deities, this in part may have been in reverence and reference to classical history advocating those deities were part of the pantheon and equally ancient, not an invention of man.

God creates the universe from matter that existed outside of the boundaries of heaven in a zone called chaos which was ruled over by characters Milton named after or made reference to, pre-Christian and classical deities. Note the timeline of the text identifies these existed before the creation of our universe and before the archangels first fell.

Time (entropy) technically does not exist in the book until the second fall, when humans are cast out of Eden, when the angels essentially kickstart time by physically moving the stars and celestial bodies into motion, so angels possess all of the powers of the god, as they essentially are part of him too, or extensions.

In context, in the establishment that ‘other gods’ existed alongside, or even pre-dated another god; could such angels and deities might hold as ample inspiration for Brookes ‘older gods’?
 
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In follow up to the above. In game if you believe my interpretation, that a Miltonian cosmological model exists in the bubble, and is not simply imagined projection; then we might have the following architecture:

A zone of the underworld made up of systems all named an after deities linked to death or classical concepts of the ‘Otherworld’.

A zone of Chaos likewise named after deities of chaos, namely wind and thunder or storms.

A zone of the Empyrean named after deities named after creation, the sun or high gods.

‘That universe was the domain of the pantheon Lovecraft described in his mythos and the gods of humanity destroyed them in a war that saw nearly every diety also annihilated.’

‘Our universe was then formed from the bones of the original creators, their followers and the upstart gods lost in the battle’ MB.


One might speculate this was the intended architecture built from the bones of these gods?

We might extrapolate then, that Guardians are examples of typical holy archangels, whilst Thargoid are fallen archangels and or Lovecraftian Older Gods or some type of hybrid?

Does this link into their appearance and naming, as in Greek classical aspects the ‘titans’ were the first beings, the giants before man?

One might speculate in Brookes adaptation he could have replaced archangels (an extension of god) aka the Guardians as the false creator, and the Thargoids are the original progenitors?

This sounds very much like the existing Guardian lore, uncovered by Ram Tah which advocates the Guardians seeded numerous systems (for food and sport) so may have created ourselves, but although they had existed for millions of years prior to humans, that they occupied territories previously seeded by Thargoids. This essentially could indicate Thargoids were here first.
 
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Ah, I see. Must have misremembered. Still, has there been any connection made between your Miltonian Map and the locations of the guardians?
The wireframe for the Cobra Mk III is practically a duplicate of Guardian Sentinel. The door at rear of the cabin similarly looks like doors at Guardian Sites. Further, Asp Scout looks exactly like a sentinel down to rear engine configuration.

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Our ships engineering materials include all manner of crystals. Trinkets of Hidden Fortune mentions knick-knacks and statuettes and that something valuable is hidden within the Trinkets themselves.

Last of all, the Guardian locations nearest Meene are the oldest Ancient Sites. The much newer Guardian Sites are further out. So, there is a definite case to made for an origin within the Bubble.

Then we have this...

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From the IRH discord:

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Beginning to think those Trinkets are still important.

A place that is not a place.
A door that is also the key


... obscured on the Frontier.
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So, @Rochester, I suppose it may be worth entertaining where does Meene fall on Yggradrasil?
 
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Meene; the location is too far removed from any of the systems I’ve recently investigated, it’s nowhere close to the Yggdrasil systems. Unless there is any more to be discovered I think this might be too wide.
 
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Unless there is any more to be discovered I think this might be too wide.
Nearby system: Kwin

Transliterations

Transcriptions
Standard Mandarin
Hanyu Pinyin Guānyīn
Wade–Giles Kuan1-yin1
Wu
Shanghainese
Romanization Kuoe1-In1
Suzhounese Kue阴平 In阴平
Gan
Romanization Guon In
Hakka
Romanization Guān Rhīm
Yue: Cantonese
Yale Romanization Gūnyām
Jyutping Gun1 Jam1
Southern Min
Hokkien POJ Koan-im


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Another nearby system: OSHA
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Not nearby but still relevant: Parcae (another term for Fates but instead the Roman term).

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Preliminarily, I'd say region needs a check. Those first two are within 20 LY of Meene.
 
Posting this because I suspect it is relevant given one of the official novels is Nemorensis as in Rex Nemorensis and Diana Nemorensis. Also, it is connected to Lake Nemi and the Golden Bough.

I am seeing lots of references to grove in multiple books of Paradise Lost. There are also TWO TREES: Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge. We need to find the Tree of Knowledge.

 

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I think FD generally MO is to nerf than fix.

Following the thread (above) it’s evident FD were reluctant to confirm anything from the outset, at most they only acknowledged it once Cmdrs had pressed them on it, even then the most we go out of them was an indirect we’re looking at it and MB saying they were spawning in the wrong places. Then total silence.

I think the opposite - I think they were a very big deal and rather than fixing them FD changed course and totally dropped that entire narrative. I also hold DB is no fan of the Raxxla mythos, in part thats why no oxygen is provided to the discussion. I also suspect the Codex was a substitute and above all a band-aid compromise… but this is only a speculative hunch.
What did Brookes say? There will be no clues. In order to say this, you must either have given a very concrete clue, or you must have a goal like making people search a needle in a haystack. The second option was tried, at least partially, by the players and did not yield any results (the great potato hunt). In this forum of more than 1600 pages, there is still no hypothesis that will satisfy or refute an instinct that has been gnawing at my brain since I first heard about Raxxla.

"A place that is not a place, a door that is also the key."

The very word raxxla itself, this 6-letter word, is the compass, key, road map we are looking for... Or whatever you call it, I have never lost my belief and doubt that if one of us finds raxxla one day, the way to it is through this word. We just don't have the logic to unlock this lock, or we don't have the eyes to see it yet.
 
What did Brookes say? There will be no clues. In order to say this, you must either have given a very concrete clue, or you must have a goal like making people search a needle in a haystack. The second option was tried, at least partially, by the players and did not yield any results (the great potato hunt). In this forum of more than 1600 pages, there is still no hypothesis that will satisfy or refute an instinct that has been gnawing at my brain since I first heard about Raxxla.

"A place that is not a place, a door that is also the key."

The very word raxxla itself, this 6-letter word, is the compass, key, road map we are looking for... Or whatever you call it, I have never lost my belief and doubt that if one of us finds raxxla one day, the way to it is through this word. We just don't have the logic to unlock this lock, or we don't have the eyes to see it yet.

Sorry, I think maybe this is out of context, this might be part of the general problem, a lot of what is thought to be known or not known has probably only ever been established from and by Cmdrs own interpretations of events. Very little has probably ever been directly communicated by FD and when it has been, it likely was with very little regard to actual specifics.

There technically has been no real information on how to find Raxxla; currently maybe that’s with exception the Codex, if that actually is information.

At most it simply advertises its content in game, but not in what context.

Anything said historically, pre-codex, technically might be construed as being redundant, based purely upon perception of events. Because technically anything linked to the historical ‘missions’ then likewise ought to be regarded likewise as redundant. But no one has really officially admitted that they were link, it’s an assumption.

Everything we discuss here is speculation. Even this area of confusion, because FD has never ‘officially’ stated to the contrary. If they have it was done so only ever directly to singular Cmdrs, via forum questions or support tickets, not technically publicly.

They have never officially said post DB and MB ‘this is how it’s done’. Cmdrs might confuse what might have been said in the past as being currently relevant, and that might be conflated through interpretation of what is or was third hand knowledge.

Turning the Wheel and the Potato Hunt are both ‘player’ organised situations aimed at forcing the situation out of an absence of information. They are not technically ED sanctioned methods of engagement for any in game mystery, but very likely entertained being accessible role play - as this thread is also - technically.
 
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What did Brookes say? There will be no clues. In order to say this, you must either have given a very concrete clue, or you must have a goal like making people search a needle in a haystack. The second option was tried, at least partially, by the players and did not yield any results (the great potato hunt). In this forum of more than 1600 pages, there is still no hypothesis that will satisfy or refute an instinct that has been gnawing at my brain since I first heard about Raxxla.

"A place that is not a place, a door that is also the key."

The very word raxxla itself, this 6-letter word, is the compass, key, road map we are looking for... Or whatever you call it, I have never lost my belief and doubt that if one of us finds raxxla one day, the way to it is through this word. We just don't have the logic to unlock this lock, or we don't have the eyes to see it yet.
"Raxxla" is an unusual word. Does the X imply a wild character? It certainly sounds alien....

I'm no mathematician nor Cryptographer, but over the years I've made a few attempts at putting "Raxxla" through the cypher toolbox ( https://www.hanginghyena.com/solvers_a/substitution-cipher-workbench), and once again last week. The latest reason being I revisited the Tourist Beacon in Gateway (as part of @Rochester 's Paradise Lost theory) where it explicitly says the system used to be named OLITQU (another very strange name, and 6 letters just like Raxxla) and was used as a staging post in Fed war against Alioth...I've previously posted that the DW unused station might be a forgotten military base leftover from a war. As keys I attempted "Princess", "Astrophel", "Princess Astrophel", "PASS", "PAATSS", "HOPE" (planet 1, and 'Shinrarta Dehzra' derivation from 'in life she saw hope'), and with various Caesar rotations. But nothing decyphered "Olitqu" into "Raxxla" or anything else that provided illumination.
 
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Milton says the devil stood above the canopy:
"from Eastern Point
Of Libra to the fleecie Starr that bears
Andromeda farr off Atlantic Seas (west)
Beyond th' Horizon; then from Pole to Pole"

Before he goes to the Sun:
"Through the calm Firmament; but up or downe
By center, or eccentric, hard to tell,
Or Longitude..."

Could this mean that he entered from East / West (Red line) between Libra and Andromeda, but the North / South (Green line) is uncertain?
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This one is in galactic view. Horizontal center line is the Milkyway band.

The red and green lines are straight lines on a globe so they aren't accurate, but we get an idea.

The crossing point is at least near what we see as the Magpie bridge.
 
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