Maybe Raxxla is the seed word for the proc gen, in which case Raxxla would be everywhere
The Quest To Find Raxxla
- Thread starter Macros Black
- Start date
From a Greco-Roman perspective, "a gateway to parallel universes" (i.e. the Omphalos Rift) describes their purported entrances to the underworld.This might explain how I came to the idea of our galaxy being akin to Hell. Hell is only hell from the perspective of the Empyrean. To cosmic beings like Chaos and Night, Hell was just another friendly neighbour imposed on them by that pesky "God" guy. What a jerk!
To the ancient Greeks, the Underworld was more like a place concealed 'under' our reality and thus mortals couldn't interact with it directly. Once you were sent there, its guardians made sure there was no escape.
I agree, and ultimately something needs to exist in the game for us to follow. You've built evidence of a cosmological model so far, and so it begs the question which interpretation can reveal a logical path?
The Brookes Tour beacon does directly point us specifically to Book 2, so maybe that is how MB also constrained the search?
In Paradise Lost Book 2, when the fallen spread out to explore Hell and observe its aspects, Milton describes Limbo from line 557:
Others apart sat on a Hill retir'd,
In thoughts more elevate, and reason'd high [a reference to Dante's Castle of Limbo]
Of Providence, Foreknowledge, Will and Fate,
Fixt Fate, free will, foreknowledg absolute,
And found no end, in wandring mazes lost.
From the perspective of Hell's inhabitants, Paradise exists within Hell. So could this help explain why the Lost World systems are present within the Underworld Zone and not 'below' the Empyrean? Limbo was basically a punishment for pagan beliefs before Christianity, so in the context of the system naming this conveniently facilitates incorporation of the other mythologies, and thus obfuscating it enough to be a challenge.
Also in the preceding lines at 545, there is mention of a "silent valley" where the fallen sing 'the devil's song' which 'suspended hell' as they listened.
Could this mean Satan is the siren of the deepest void? and the subject of the toast?
This would point to TDW acolytes being an allegory of the fallen angels. Perhaps this is how TDW see themselves. Powerful beings akin to seraphim.
Satan could be the jewel standing on the brow. The mother of galaxies - Sin, the mother of Death - galaxies evolved from the deaths of the first primordial stars. Whisperer (satan) in witchspace (the void). Parent and lover. Yearning of vagabond (the fallen) hearts.
So perhaps from this one could construct an esoteric path where satan leaves the Empyrean realm, crosses the bridge of souls, enters the gates of hell, and somewhere in the underworld or lost realm we might find Raxxla??
Is there a Castle of Limbo aka TDW Station somewhere to be found?
The Romans had Lake Avernus near Naples - which makes Virgil's "fascilis descensus averno" quite ironic as our descent is nowhere near easy so far (see also: the explorer ship in my signature) - and Greek ploutonions (sanctuaries to Hades) used to be on places that emitted noxious gases.
Not to mention the rivers Acheron (used by Odysseus), Cocytus, Lethe, Phlegethon and Styx... I wonder if a parallel might emerge between them and the rivers of Eden?
This might explain how I came to the idea of our galaxy being akin to Hell. Hell is only hell from the perspective of the Empyrean. To cosmic beings like Chaos and Night, Hell was just another friendly neighbour imposed on them by that pesky "God" guy. What a jerk!
To the ancient Greeks, the Underworld was more like a place concealed 'under' our reality and thus mortals couldn't interact with it directly. Once you were sent there, its guardians made sure there was no escape.
I agree, and ultimately something needs to exist in the game for us to follow. You've built evidence of a cosmological model so far, and so it begs the question which interpretation can reveal a logical path?
The Brookes Tour beacon does directly point us specifically to Book 2, so maybe that is how MB also constrained the search?
In Paradise Lost Book 2, when the fallen spread out to explore Hell and observe its aspects, Milton describes Limbo from line 557:
Others apart sat on a Hill retir'd,
In thoughts more elevate, and reason'd high [a reference to Dante's Castle of Limbo]
Of Providence, Foreknowledge, Will and Fate,
Fixt Fate, free will, foreknowledg absolute,
And found no end, in wandring mazes lost.
From the perspective of Hell's inhabitants, Paradise exists within Hell. So could this help explain why the Lost World systems are present within the Underworld Zone and not 'below' the Empyrean? Limbo was basically a punishment for pagan beliefs before Christianity, so in the context of the system naming this conveniently facilitates incorporation of the other mythologies, and thus obfuscating it enough to be a challenge.
Also in the preceding lines at 545, there is mention of a "silent valley" where the fallen sing 'the devil's song' which 'suspended hell' as they listened.
Could this mean Satan is the siren of the deepest void? and the subject of the toast?
This would point to TDW acolytes being an allegory of the fallen angels. Perhaps this is how TDW see themselves. Powerful beings akin to seraphim.
Satan could be the jewel standing on the brow. The mother of galaxies - Sin, the mother of Death - galaxies evolved from the deaths of the first primordial stars. Whisperer (satan) in witchspace (the void). Parent and lover. Yearning of vagabond (the fallen) hearts.
So perhaps from this one could construct an esoteric path where satan leaves the Empyrean realm, crosses the bridge of souls, enters the gates of hell, and somewhere in the underworld or lost realm we might find Raxxla??
Is there a Castle of Limbo aka TDW Station somewhere to be found?
Limbo from Paradise Lost was I interpret not in hell. The passage you reference alludes I ascribe to the period where the fallen angels populating hell, here they do not simply roll around in pain, their punishment is essentially to dwell in ignorance and out of gods grace. They fill their time in folly, disillusion and vain discord. They perform the same duties as if they were still in heaven, including singing, which in hell although relatively beautiful is not as it was so in heaven, but like everything else a selfish perversion. Hell is thus described as a perverted version of heaven.
Limbo is I interpret might be an area of Chaos, very close or encircling part of the pendant globe, which Milton calls the paradise of fools. Its location is not specified I don’t believe, but some interpret it to be close to where Satan first set foot on the crystalline sphere, this might relate then to its equator?
Technically this is where the logic of the Milton’s spheres get weird because from my interpretation he intentionally mixed his metaphors, small can be large and visa versa. Satan can change his size and in his true form, like all archangels is actually cosmological in itself. Milton also does give measurements for the distances between hell and heaven but likewise some also interpret these to describe the size of the crystalline sphere which is relatively large, yet in contradiction to earlier passages relatively tiny… so which is it in game, if it is replicated accurately?
I believe the zone of the underworld, chaos and Empyrean are laid out relatively. But Raxxla probably is replicated as a body within a star system.
I think this is where the garden design comes into play and that system design somehow symbolises the inside of the crystalline sphere - outside, it’s a standard system. Limbo likewise if you follow this logic ought to be another system, but relatively close by. But I believe the in game author might be mixing and abstracting metaphors so this might be where the model breaks down, I don’t fully believe everything is replicated, this ultimately is a rather abstract model?
Last edited:
I'm surprised 17 Draconis hasn't be spoken of much in relation to both Paradise and Limbo. Is there a reason why it's not lining up with your research? Not too long ago I did a revisit to all of the old settlement sites below and near 17 Draconis and Polaris (given they're rather close to one another) and felt that collectively, the sites appeared to suggest a certain narrative about some sort of plant being used to create super soldier killers, among other things. 17 Draconis' white dwarf remains 1 of maybe 3 in total white dwarfs, along with Sirius B, that gives you messages about your frame shift being charged, as if you're traveling through the cone, even when very very far away from the star itself, in the case of 17 Draconis, being well over 100K Ls from the star and receiving the message.
"The Order are a secret society obsessed with seeking out the mystery of Raxxla. They are violently dedicated to eradicating all alien life from the Milky Way to ensure human safety, hindering all progress into alien research other than our own, and seeking out all secrets in the universe. They are known to operate through infiltration and deceit to gather intelligence for our own gain." -Aware that they're listed as a PMF, but they sure were given a lot of attention by the Devs in the crafting of this system.
I'm assuming it's because we've explored 17 Draconis, and it seems to be a dead end.
Last edited:
Definitely not the same Limbo for sure, but the singing and cheering gives me toast vibes. A whole bunch of vagrants cheering their saviour god.
Oh man, this is depressing me now haha, It's been 10 years since the release of the game and 6 years since the Raxxla entry was added to the game, but we are no closer to finding it since day 1.
I have a feeling the Paradise Lost reference was just a way of signing off to Brookes and his love of it. But there is nothing concrete or tangible either way.
We are lost, so is the Paradise.
I have a feeling the Paradise Lost reference was just a way of signing off to Brookes and his love of it. But there is nothing concrete or tangible either way.
We are lost, so is the Paradise.
I think 17 Draconis etc are plausible candidates, in my opinion possibly a little too obvious, but nevertheless they fit the overarching concerns, however I have numerous reasons I haven’t given it much attention, or which I feel cast some doubt.
One: in relation to everything else discussed so far, spatially its location is too far removed from the hypothetical Miltonian model. It simply does not seem to currently fit?
Two: Paradiso and Limbo are not Miltonian concepts but fall within the canon of Dante’s Comedy.
The two works although sharing many common themes operate within different universes. Dante’s is based within the spheres, it ultimately is Earth bound, involving a mountain caused by Satans fall, at its top paradise and the roof of the spheres, then heaven, far below it Hell, the protagonist uses the terraces of the mountain to scale it, whereas in Milton’s work he extended his universe, to place hell outside of the spheres and into the larger cosmos which contained Heaven.
The path to Paradise in Milton’s work was through the vantage point of Satan who flies through Chaos, and thematically his fall predates the birth of Paradise, and Milton introduces the concept of a road to Hell, in many instances he seems more interested in paradises cosmology.
Contradictory there would seem to be other potential references in game which might support this construct for Dante but their locations don’t marry, for instance the rivers of the underworld!
In the Comedy they originated form Mount Ida, and flow down in a circle into Hell, but one river is higher up at the top of the mountain. In Milton, these rivers only exist in Hell and encircle it within a domed land separated by the void of Chaos. In Milton’s work the rivers do not connect to Earth.
So in my opinion the two concepts are diametrically opposed. If they were to exist in game technically one ought to reside inside the other. Or one ought to see certain obvious geological features represented accurately. That spatially doesn’t seem to correlate.
Three: it has a player controlled faction? Bit too obvious!
Four: from my interpretation of tthe Codex it would seem to advocate a specific location below the bubble, the system 17 Draconis, is too far removed and there would not seem to be any Codex text to directly identify such a wide distance.
Five: it is relatively far too close to Polaris, a system acknowledged by FD to be outside the reach of players, due to a non accessible permit. This ultimately advocates this area is a ‘narrative gate’.
If this were the true goal then logically it identifies a possible downside to the quest, in that it reinforces the story is narrative, in turn re-introducing the known modus operandi of FD, who very likely will only unlock it when they deem fit, and probably would be resolved in a matter of days.
Therefore on that logic I have not entertained it.
The image below shows the position of the system 17 Draconis in relation to the hypothetical area of the Empyrean, based off my findings.
For it to be even considered relative there ought to be similar numerous examples of systems between these that denote some commonality in naming such as for ‘heaven’ etc. or some obvious references to Dante’s poem, of the mountain of paradise, the seven terraces etc….?
I am not ruling it out, just advocating the rule of probability based upon the evidence identified to date, namely the evident gap between it and an evident fulcrum.
It does however introduce the plausible theory involving mountains.
Within this quest there would seem to various tenuous references to mountains, in one respect Dante’s Comedy presents a good candidate for a path to Raxxla.
I hope 17 Draconis is not indicative of this as I’ve pointed out, as in my opinion I feel it’s too obvious and advocates a narrative conclusion.
However, Dante’s mountain might still exist in game… it’s worth considering as there are potential indicators, and it would seem the in game author has mixed and unified a number of mythologies so why not this one!
Last edited:
Oh I think there is great progress being made, Raxxla is basically behind the next star or another after that, we're almost done here.
I have been using a combination of Remote Viewing and Tibetan singing bowls recently to uncover the secrets of the galaxy in Elite Dangerous with great results so far. There are numerous potential technosignatures and psychoenergetic pointers all over the galaxy. Side-effects include great spiritual healing and mental clarity.
I have been using a combination of Remote Viewing and Tibetan singing bowls recently to uncover the secrets of the galaxy in Elite Dangerous with great results so far. There are numerous potential technosignatures and psychoenergetic pointers all over the galaxy. Side-effects include great spiritual healing and mental clarity.
That is quite a gap, and answers my question thoroughly.
Last edited:
The PMF originally wanted a system beside Polaris however due to Fdevs response of "this region is locked for future narritive reasons" it was moved about 200ly away, The Order PMF has no ties with Fdev and purely are a RP player group however the distance away from Polaris is interesting as it also match's both the Pleiades bubble and current titan zones, although may not related to Raxxla it does raise other questions as to the narrative in the future surrounding Thargoids and if/maybe related which we can neither confirm nor deny currently.
Hello Cmdrs,
Looking into the whole thing again, the Omphalos is probably a geologic formation at the surface of a planet, similar to a baetyl, as mentioned by @Jorki Rasalas in 2022.
A baetyl is an erected stone that is supposed to be a bridge between worlds. It comes from the Hebrew Beth-el "house of God".
The Greek Omphalos is only one of the baetyls. The reference is literal in the codex.
If it is a stone, it might not appear with a planet scan. Hopefully, it is of noticeable dimension, shape, and color. If it works like baetyls on earth, instructions, coordinates, and glyphs to decipher could be engraved on it.
Maybe visible from above, like the Nazca stones.
There was a reference some time ago to Burroughs's novel "Pellucidar", which bears some resemblance with what's written in the Codex.
Maybe that's what the reference to the novel, "Astrophel and the spiraling stars", is for: signaling there are clues in a book.
In Pellucidar, there's an ontological Omphalos rift located at long. 170 East, lat. 85 North of the terrestrial North Pole.
These coordinates could be of use in the quest for the Omphalos, it could translate to galactic coordinates.
Interestingly, if used on Galmap, considering Sol's "height" in the galaxy as the plane to search, the zones 85,0,170 and 170,0,85 aren't very far which is "compatible" with more limited technological means of exploration.
In Pellucidar, the main character comes from our world and becomes an emperor underground, an emperor of a federation.
For those with eyes to see: pellucid.
Looking into the whole thing again, the Omphalos is probably a geologic formation at the surface of a planet, similar to a baetyl, as mentioned by @Jorki Rasalas in 2022.
A baetyl is an erected stone that is supposed to be a bridge between worlds. It comes from the Hebrew Beth-el "house of God".
The Greek Omphalos is only one of the baetyls. The reference is literal in the codex.
If it is a stone, it might not appear with a planet scan. Hopefully, it is of noticeable dimension, shape, and color. If it works like baetyls on earth, instructions, coordinates, and glyphs to decipher could be engraved on it.
Maybe visible from above, like the Nazca stones.
There was a reference some time ago to Burroughs's novel "Pellucidar", which bears some resemblance with what's written in the Codex.
Maybe that's what the reference to the novel, "Astrophel and the spiraling stars", is for: signaling there are clues in a book.
In Pellucidar, there's an ontological Omphalos rift located at long. 170 East, lat. 85 North of the terrestrial North Pole.
These coordinates could be of use in the quest for the Omphalos, it could translate to galactic coordinates.
Interestingly, if used on Galmap, considering Sol's "height" in the galaxy as the plane to search, the zones 85,0,170 and 170,0,85 aren't very far which is "compatible" with more limited technological means of exploration.
In Pellucidar, the main character comes from our world and becomes an emperor underground, an emperor of a federation.
For those with eyes to see: pellucid.
What did I say in 2022? Can you provide the reference?
2021, sorry :
The Quest To Find Raxxla
...2 streamers already mentioned Thargoid Probes found on planet near Galaxy center. Something is coming ... can be more detailed, what systems?
I think the baetyl aspect is right, and the "space baetyl" was one possibility.
Ah yes. I'd forgotten...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetyl2021, sorry :
You mentionned baetyls, and went exploring asteroids fields in Sol, because historically baetyls are (mostly) "fallen stones" from the sky.The Quest To Find Raxxla
...2 streamers already mentioned Thargoid Probes found on planet near Galaxy center. Something is coming ... can be more detailed, what systems?forums.frontier.co.uk
I think the baetyl aspect is right, and the "space baetyl" was one possibility.
The problem though is that meteorites are found on the ground but on game release planetary landings weren't possible. That only came in Horizons release, which IIRC was when I started playing. But would Michael Brookes have set up the Raxxla puzzle in game so it could not be solved until then?
Edit
That baetyl reference does mention "meta", the turning point in a chariot race. Now Omphalos can also mean "hub", i.e. a centre of rotation......
P.S.
I sincerely hope people celebrated Yorkshire Day on the 1st of August!
(That's a Yorkshire Curd tart being washed down with a pint of Yorkshire Bitter!)
I sincerely hope people celebrated Yorkshire Day on the 1st of August!
(That's a Yorkshire Curd tart being washed down with a pint of Yorkshire Bitter!)
As a Manc, not a chance mateP.S.
I sincerely hope people celebrated Yorkshire Day on the 1st of August!
(That's a Yorkshire Curd tart being washed down with a pint of Yorkshire Bitter!)
Although i do need to take the little one back to the Viking museum now he's older!
O7