The Quest To Find Raxxla

PeteACarter · Aug 4, 2019

bluecrash said:
'At that stage [1][Alex Ryder] had two sons: Neptune and Oberon. Oberon believed he could find Soontill. Neptune considered anything other than Raxxla to be irrelevant. Arguments ensued and we split from the Dark Wheel. We followed Oberon and formed the Circle of Independent Elite Pilots with the goal of using Soontill's power to protect humanity.'

@Tigorath - I am still struggling to see how wanting to protect humanity is more evil than Aegis and their blatant disregard for humanity's safety!

Tigorath · Aug 4, 2019

@PeteACarter - I did not say protecting humanity was evil. Nor do I believe Aegis is good. A rock and a hard place. That is where humanity is right now. I am now in the Pleiades Sector investigating what is going on. It does not look good for Aegis so I stand corrected.

I did encounter a Thargoid attacking a freighter. Spectacular stuff but I did not engage. But, I don't think the Human and Thargoid race will be making up and riding into the sunset very soon, if ever.

My work with Aegis is done so I will be moving on to the next major corporation that may have dealing ( or infiltrated ) by the real Dark Wheel. However, there is a lot of interesting things to explore around here as long as the Thargoids do not notice me.

[PS4] Filthymick420 · Aug 4, 2019

Humanity is overrated

Dr. Lexus · Aug 4, 2019

o7 Commanders
Im currently in the Algol system and found this eerie USS.
This Cetus' Bane, his ship, the 5 canisters (earth relics) and the signal are the same everytime I do a reboot, the only thing that changes is Cetus Bane's faction and ship name.
The ship names and factions that i get so far are:
Radical Cross / Spiritual Order Of HR 7729
Agent / Oshata Commodities
Joy / Nzamnet Natural Interestelar
Duc De Dantzig / Graung Universal Inc
Twenty One Friends (this one was funny) / Partnership Of Zemez

is this tinfoil? or the USS was for that treasure hunt event and FD forgot to remove it?

[Diplomacy] Carnegie · Aug 5, 2019

Dr. Lexus said:
o7 Commanders
Im currently in the Algol system and found this eerie USS.
This Cetus' Bane, his ship, the 5 canisters (earth relics) and the signal are the same everytime I do a reboot, the only thing that changes is Cetus Bane's faction and ship name.
The ship names and factions that i get so far are:
Radical Cross / Spiritual Order Of HR 7729
Agent / Oshata Commodities
Joy / Nzamnet Natural Interestelar
Duc De Dantzig / Graung Universal Inc
Twenty One Friends (this one was funny) / Partnership Of Zemez

is this tinfoil? or the USS was for that treasure hunt event and FD forgot to remove it?

It's the treasure hunt.
FDev never got around to tidying it up.

Dr. Lexus · Aug 5, 2019

DrewCarnegie said:
It's the treasure hunt.
FDev never got around to tidying it up.

What a relief I was freaking out, I'm not even elite.

CMDR Josky · Aug 5, 2019

Im just checking back with this because i mentioned last week that i would be setting off on a lead to Raxxla. Well i looked at it carefully then decided not to go because. I was offered a passenger mission going to the The Children of Raxxla staging post in Eafots BP-l d9-35 system. I looked it up with EDSM and found it's discovered and numerous ships passed through even in the last week. So then i saw a passenger mission going to twin earth likes that sounded familiar after clicking on show in Galaxy Map from mission there was my bookmark from years ago hence why i didn't go. Still keep an eye out for Raxxla / Dark Wheel during your travels o7

simulacrae · Aug 5, 2019

CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Interesting. The message says:
The clues took pilots to "Persephone in the Avalon System". One problem.
Persephone is in the Sol system and not in the Avalon system.

Persephone Station i assume

simulacrae · Aug 5, 2019

Thatchinho said:
Same principle applies for the line of clones Salome’s from as it does for Walden’s clones. All the clones have distinct personalities but various similar traits.

Premonition spoilers ahead...

Salome’s only brought forwards into her role as a result of the previous clone going rogue. (Not 100% clear whether she’s only produced as a result of the previous one going rogue or whether she’d already been produced and it was just the move into her role that happened after the previous one going rogue.)

Her placement with the Lorens is done via a phantom pregnancy, so she’s placed as a newborn.

I guess I saw it as different in that Waldens were done in a "traditional" way presumably the clones were brought to term in an incubator and then "born" and grew up normally. I assumed that the cloning of Kahina/Salome was done after the Prisim incident... (so the clone would have been some sort of quick grown to the right age thing) - why would the Lorens have made clones of her as a kid ? But putting a pin in that for the moment. If Kahina was a clone as well as Salome ... It makes more sense now why Octavia Quinton wanted her body specifically. Octavia had to have been an older version of the same clone... It also begs the question ... Was Kahina/Salome/Octavia made by Walden?

Six6VI · Aug 5, 2019

simulacrae said:
I guess I saw it as different in that Waldens were done in a "traditional" way presumably the clones were brought to term in an incubator and then "born" and grew up normally. I assumed that the cloning of Kahina/Salome was done after the Prisim incident... (so the clone would have been some sort of quick grown to the right age thing) - why would the Lorens have made clones of her as a kid ? But putting a pin in that for the moment. If Kahina was a clone as well as Salome ... It makes more sense now why Octavia Quinton wanted her body specifically. Octavia had to have been an older version of the same clone... It also begs the question ... Was Kahina/Salome/Octavia made by Walden?

And is there a backup Salome clone 'on ice' / being grown or growing up somewhere?

[Diplomacy] Carnegie · Aug 5, 2019

CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Interesting. The message says:

The clues took pilots to "Persephone in the Avalon System". One problem.

Persephone is in the Sol system and not in the Avalon system.

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.

www.edsm.net

o7....

Persephone is a system, a station (in Avalon) and a planet in Sol. The system and station have been in the game since release. Persephone was only added to Sol much later - around 2.3, I think, and long after the treasure hunt.

CMDR Josky · Aug 5, 2019

Jorki Rasalas · Aug 5, 2019

simulacrae said:
I guess I saw it as different in that Waldens were done in a "traditional" way presumably the clones were brought to term in an incubator and then "born" and grew up normally. I assumed that the cloning of Kahina/Salome was done after the Prisim incident... (so the clone would have been some sort of quick grown to the right age thing) - why would the Lorens have made clones of her as a kid ? But putting a pin in that for the moment. If Kahina was a clone as well as Salome ... It makes more sense now why Octavia Quinton wanted her body specifically. Octavia had to have been an older version of the same clone... It also begs the question ... Was Kahina/Salome/Octavia made by Walden?

Mmm
Kahina was a clone, planted in the Loren household for someone’s plans (TDW? The Club?) who grew up as an oddball since she had different physical characteristics from the Imperial norm of blond haired docile women. Presumably as a “cuccoo” the egg was implanted into the Loren mother during some standard medical checkup/procedure.

When the uprising came and her family were killed she took on the persona of Salomé (named by Hassan after his sister’s cat as I recall) after losing her memory due to Octavia’s “storage tube”. So there is only one clone here, not two, but yes after the invasion of Prism by Loren. No need for quick growth; I think natural timeIine & the uprising was around 20 years after the invasion. She was of the same clone stock as Rebecca, Octavia, etc (we suspect Elyssia as the “original”, but possibly Arissa also (a hint that The Club is behind this, manipulating even the Imperial bloodline??)), but Octavia went rogue so it’s intimated somewhere that Kahina was her replacement (in which case TDW are more likely since Rebecca etc were involved, unless that intervention was what caused Rebecca to break with The Club). Walden, as far as I recall, only cloned himself to ensure the continuity of his dictatorship over Lave. Teorge was the clone world, populated by selected clones of the original colony ship hundreds of years before, so clone technology is widely available, not just limited to Walden.

Han_Zen · Aug 5, 2019

Time for a little tinfoil.

I've tried to analyse the clues from the Codex in a slightly new way. The idea is that the Dark Wheel toast, is in Dark Wheel lingo and has to bee seen from their traditional perspective. Therefore I decided to build a hypothesis on the idea that 'Mother of Galaxies' is Galaxy 1, from the original Elite.

What we have left of Galaxy 1, is the Lave cluster. This region is the biggest known anomaly in the galaxy. A bunch of systems are aligned in the galactic plane at Y = 48.75. The region also has an odd amount of planets with exactly one earth mass.

I started checking with assumption that anything on the brow, should also be on Y = 48.75 or close. I therefore plotted lines like the Reorte - Riedquat line, to see what came up.
I chose Riedquat as my local 'Omphalos', just to have a starting point.

Projected in the Y = 48.75 plane, I got this.
[spoler]

[/spoiler]

Orange line: Good old RR-line
Purple line: Line Riedquat - Uszaa - Orrere. This follows the 'North axis' and almost hits Sag A.
Green line: Zaonce - Riedquat line: Passes Alpha Cygni(Deneb) at about 0.8ly in the plane. 3D distance is about 2.6ly, well inside the system.
Red Line: Tionisla - Riedquat line: Does not seem to hit anything in particular. I left it in because Tionisla could be 'parents grief' and Riedquat 'Lovers woe'? It also creates a few intersections.
Grey dot: Alpha Cygni
Purple dot: Sadr
Teal dot: Star of India
Black dot next to RR-line: Polaris

The Sifi EP-T b3-3 is only a reference system at exactly Y = 48.75.

I then moved to Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars. Assuming it means Vega and the stars in the Milky Way band. My Milky Way band is set to Y = 48.75.

Yellow line: Vega to Cygni X-3. Cygni X-3 is one of the strongest sirens and the it's in the deepest void in ED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-3
Blue line is the Sol(big blue dot) - Vega Line

I also added a black line. This is the mystery line. If I have managed to plot correctly, this is the intersecting line between the Y = 48.75 plane and the Right ascension = 20h plane. I know this looks weird, but it's an attempt to fit the name as well in to the equation.

Raxxla -> Ra = Right ascension, xx = 20, la = Lave or Lave altitude/ascension or 50(L=50) altitude/ascension.

Interesting observations:

Star of India is at R.A. 20 and double Y coordinate of Lave.
Polaris is at four times Y coordinate of Lave.
The line from Sol to Star of India also continue to V1357 Cygni. Wikipedia and Simbad list V1357 Cygni and HIP 98298 (Star of India) as the same star.
Both Alpha Cygni and Star of India have an shadow object that appear in the local map, after a while. No other systems seem to have this.

PeteACarter · Aug 5, 2019

Han_Zen said:
Time for a little tinfoil.

I've tried to analyse the clues from the Codex in a slightly new way. The idea is that the Dark Wheel toast, is in Dark Wheel lingo and has to bee seen from their traditional perspective. Therefore I decided to build a hypothesis on the idea that 'Mother of Galaxies' is Galaxy 1, from the original Elite.

What we have left of Galaxy 1, is the Lave cluster. This region is the biggest known anomaly in the galaxy. A bunch of systems are aligned in the galactic plane at Y = 48.75. The region also has an odd amount of planets with exactly one earth mass.

I started checking with assumption that anything on the brow, should also be on Y = 48.75 or close. I therefore plotted lines like the Reorte - Riedquat line, to see what came up.
I chose Riedquat as my local 'Omphalos', just to have a starting point.

Projected in the Y = 48.75 plane, I got this.
[spoler]

[/spoiler]

Orange line: Good old RR-line

Purple line: Line Riedquat - Uszaa - Orrere. This follows the 'North axis' and almost hits Sag A.

Green line: Zaonce - Riedquat line: Passes Alpha Cygni(Deneb) at about 0.8ly in the plane. 3D distance is about 2.6ly, well inside the system.

Red Line: Tionisla - Riedquat line: Does not seem to hit anything in particular. I left it in because Tionisla could be 'parents grief' and Riedquat 'Lovers woe'? It also creates a few intersections.

Grey dot: Alpha Cygni

Purple dot: Sadr

Teal dot: Star of India

Black dot next to RR-line: Polaris

The Sifi EP-T b3-3 is only a reference system at exactly Y = 48.75.

I then moved to Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars. Assuming it means Vega and the stars in the Milky Way band. My Milky Way band is set to Y = 48.75.

Yellow line: Vega to Cygni X-3. Cygni X-3 is one of the strongest sirens and the it's in the deepest void in ED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-3

Blue line is the Sol(big blue dot) - Vega Line

I also added a black line. This is the mystery line. If I have managed to plot correctly, this is the intersecting line between the Y = 48.75 plane and the Right ascension = 20h plane. I know this looks weird, but it's an attempt to fit the name as well in to the equation.

Raxxla -> Ra = Right ascension, xx = 20, la = Lave or Lave altitude/ascension or 50(L=50) altitude/ascension.

Interesting observations:

Star of India is at R.A. 20 and double Y coordinate of Lave.

Polaris is at four times Y coordinate of Lave.

The line from Sol to Star of India also continue to V1357 Cygni. Wikipedia and Simbad list V157 Cygni and HIP 98298 (Star of India) as the same star.

Both Alpha Cygni and Star of India have an shadow object that appear in the local map, after a while. No other systems seem to have this.

Hope you find something interesting here. Perhaps @simulacrae could make a prettier plot?

Here is my plot:
https://www.monroecc.edu/faculty/paulseeburger/calcnsf/CalcPlot3D/?type=point;point=68.84375,48.75,69.75;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=74.03125,48.75,64.75;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-5187.5,0,5000;visible=false;color=rgb(0,154,255);size=2;initialpt=74.03125,48.75,64.75&type=point;point=687.0625,-362.53125,-697.0625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,255,0);size=4&type=point;point=232.59375,-232.90625,-1761.625;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,255);size=4&type=point;point=1099.21875,-146.6875,-133.59375;visible=true;color=rgb(153,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=-1405,46.125,132.5;visible=true;color=rgb(153,153,153);size=4&type=point;point=80.75,48.75,69.25;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-11906.25,0,500;visible=true;color=rgb(20,210,70);size=2;initialpt=80.75,48.75,69.25&type=point;point=71.625,47.75,64.8125;visible=false;color=rgb(166,77,121);size=4&type=vector;vector=2781.25,-1000,-4937.5;visible=false;color=rgb(0,154,255);size=2;initialpt=68.84375,48.75,69.75&type=point;point=-322.6875,194.59375,-212.4375;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=0,0,25900;visible=true;color=rgb(105,17,192);size=2;initialpt=68.84375,48.75,69.75&type=point;point=75.75,48.75,75.15625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,255);size=4&type=vector;vector=-6906.25,0,-5406.25;visible=true;color=rgb(255,153,0);size=2;initialpt=75.75,48.75,75.15625&type=point;point=-1840.5625,95.25,610.3125;visible=true;color=rgb(0,255,255);size=4&type=point;point=82.25,48.75,68.15625;visible=true;color=rgb(197,23,208);size=4&type=vector;vector=-13406.25,0,1562.5;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=2;initialpt=82.25,48.75,68.15625&type=point;point=-1695.28125,48.75,302.125;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=4&type=point;point=-7095.375,401.25,2396.8125;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=text;text=Sifi EP-T b3-3;visible=true;point=-1695.28125,48.75,302.125;color=rgb(0,0,0);font=Times New Roman;fontsize=14pt;bold=true;italic=false;fontmath=true;align=Upper-right&type=point;point=-1794.6875,53.6875,365.84375;visible=true;color=rgb(105,17,192);size=4&type=vector;vector=-389.6875,0,233.34375;visible=true;color=rgb(173,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-1405,48.75,132.5&type=point;point=0,0,0;visible=true;color=rgb(17,109,192);size=10&type=vector;vector=-36417.71875,443.9375,6522.71875;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-21.90625,8.125,9&type=point;point=-1164.531,48.75,216.375;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=-484.71875,48.6875,91.125;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-21906.25,0,9000;visible=true;color=rgb(17,109,192);size=2;initialpt=(0,48.75,0)&type=point;point=-193.094,48.75,80.75;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=implicit;equation=138997.66992188x+587944.7109375y+327425.97460938z~0;cubes=16;visible=false;fixdomain=false;xmin=-4096;xmax=4096;ymin=0;ymax=4096;zmin=-4096;zmax=4096;alpha=105;format=normal;constcol=rgb(255,0,0)&type=implicit;equation=y~48.75;cubes=16;visible=false;fixdomain=true;xmin=-4048;xmax=2048;ymin=0;ymax=2048;zmin=-4048;zmax=2048;alpha=105;format=normal;constcol=rgb(255,0,0)&type=vector;vector=-2119.1875,1.25,806.0625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=2;initialpt=(-80.67,48.75,53.11)&type=vector;vector=-4355.625,0,4778.125;visible=true;color=rgb(173,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-1405,48.75,132.5&type=window;hsrmode=3;nomidpts=false;anaglyph=-1;center=131.90825407657894,-1526.6928054199732,-718.5495778471687,1;focus=0,0,0,1;up=0.014778761575128335,-0.42475628703552054,0.9051870993502414,1;transparent=false;alpha=140;twoviews=false;unlinkviews=false;axisextension=0.7;xaxislabel=x;yaxislabel=y;zaxislabel=z;edgeson=true;faceson=true;showbox=true;showaxes=false;showticks=true;perspective=true;centerxpercent=0.7067463563299086;centerypercent=0.8245887350054193;rotationsteps=30;autospin=true;xygrid=false;yzgrid=false;xzgrid=false;gridsonbox=true;gridplanes=false;gridcolor=rgb(128,128,128);xmin=-4096;xmax=4096;ymin=0;ymax=4096;zmin=-4096;zmax=4096;xscale=2048;yscale=2048;zscale=2048;zcmin=-8192;zcmax=8192;zoom=0.003784;xscalefactor=1;yscalefactor=1;zscalefactor=1

Fantastic work. I have played with ra 20 / lave myself and not got anywhere, but I've not taken it as far as this

Han_Zen · Aug 5, 2019

PeteACarter said:
Fantastic work. I have played with ra 20 / lave myself and not got anywhere, but I've not taken it as far as this

Thanks.

I've put in the planes as surfaces in my plot (turned of in the link). The display is pretty horrible, so ti doesn't help much.

I need a better 3D program. I'm used to working in Rhinoseros 3D, but I don't have a lisens at the moment.

AOpsyche · Aug 5, 2019

Jorki Rasalas said:
Mmm
Kahina was a clone, planted in the Loren household for someone’s plans (TDW? The Club?) who grew up as an oddball since she had different physical characteristics from the Imperial norm of blond haired docile women. Presumably as a “cuccoo” the egg was implanted into the Loren mother during some standard medical checkup/procedure.

When the uprising came and her family were killed she took on the persona of Salomé (named by Hassan after his sister’s cat as I recall) after losing her memory due to Octavia’s “storage tube”. So there is only one clone here, not two, but yes after the invasion of Prism by Loren. No need for quick growth; I think natural timeIine & the uprising was around 20 years after the invasion. She was of the same clone stock as Rebecca, Octavia, etc (we suspect Elyssia as the “original”, but possibly Arissa also (a hint that The Club is behind this, manipulating even the Imperial bloodline??)), but Octavia went rogue so it’s intimated somewhere that Kahina was her replacement (in which case TDW are more likely since Rebecca etc were involved, unless that intervention was what caused Rebecca to break with The Club). Walden, as far as I recall, only cloned himself to ensure the continuity of his dictatorship over Lave. Tionisla was the clone world, populated by selected clones of the original colony ship hundreds of years before, so clone technology is widely available, not just limited to Walden.

Where does the idea come from that ALD is the potential origin of Salomé's clone line?

Surely, if we trust any of this clone talk from Luko, we also accept the bit where he says "it started with a woman called
Elyssia."

simulacrae · Aug 5, 2019

Han_Zen said:
Thanks.

I've put in the planes as surfaces in my plot (turned of in the link). The display is pretty horrible, so ti doesn't help much.

I need a better 3D program. I'm used to working in Rhinoseros 3D, but I don't have a lisens at the moment.

I have been using Sketchup for mine... It has a xyz import... works good for plotting out the points.

Scytale · Aug 5, 2019

For what is worth.. Summer Triangle:
Altaïr, RA 19:50:47
Deneb (alpha Cyg), RA 20:41:25
Vega, RA 18:36:56
(Wikipedia)

I assume that Star of India (RA 20:00:15) system is player named ?

CMDR Josky · Aug 5, 2019

Han_Zen said:
Time for a little tinfoil.

I've tried to analyse the clues from the Codex in a slightly new way. The idea is that the Dark Wheel toast, is in Dark Wheel lingo and has to bee seen from their traditional perspective. Therefore I decided to build a hypothesis on the idea that 'Mother of Galaxies' is Galaxy 1, from the original Elite.

What we have left of Galaxy 1, is the Lave cluster. This region is the biggest known anomaly in the galaxy. A bunch of systems are aligned in the galactic plane at Y = 48.75. The region also has an odd amount of planets with exactly one earth mass.

I started checking with assumption that anything on the brow, should also be on Y = 48.75 or close. I therefore plotted lines like the Reorte - Riedquat line, to see what came up.
I chose Riedquat as my local 'Omphalos', just to have a starting point.

Projected in the Y = 48.75 plane, I got this.
[spoler]

[/spoiler]

Orange line: Good old RR-line

Purple line: Line Riedquat - Uszaa - Orrere. This follows the 'North axis' and almost hits Sag A.

Green line: Zaonce - Riedquat line: Passes Alpha Cygni(Deneb) at about 0.8ly in the plane. 3D distance is about 2.6ly, well inside the system.

Red Line: Tionisla - Riedquat line: Does not seem to hit anything in particular. I left it in because Tionisla could be 'parents grief' and Riedquat 'Lovers woe'? It also creates a few intersections.

Grey dot: Alpha Cygni

Purple dot: Sadr

Teal dot: Star of India

Black dot next to RR-line: Polaris

The Sifi EP-T b3-3 is only a reference system at exactly Y = 48.75.

I then moved to Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars. Assuming it means Vega and the stars in the Milky Way band. My Milky Way band is set to Y = 48.75.

Yellow line: Vega to Cygni X-3. Cygni X-3 is one of the strongest sirens and the it's in the deepest void in ED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-3

Blue line is the Sol(big blue dot) - Vega Line

I also added a black line. This is the mystery line. If I have managed to plot correctly, this is the intersecting line between the Y = 48.75 plane and the Right ascension = 20h plane. I know this looks weird, but it's an attempt to fit the name as well in to the equation.

Raxxla -> Ra = Right ascension, xx = 20, la = Lave or Lave altitude/ascension or 50(L=50) altitude/ascension.

Interesting observations:

Star of India is at R.A. 20 and double Y coordinate of Lave.

Polaris is at four times Y coordinate of Lave.

The line from Sol to Star of India also continue to V1357 Cygni. Wikipedia and Simbad list V157 Cygni and HIP 98298 (Star of India) as the same star.

Both Alpha Cygni and Star of India have an shadow object that appear in the local map, after a while. No other systems seem to have this.

Hope you find something interesting here. Perhaps @simulacrae could make a prettier plot?

Here is my plot:
https://www.monroecc.edu/faculty/pa...;xscalefactor=1;yscalefactor=1;zscalefactor=1