The video posted by Six6VI explains the source of the quote. For brevity's sake though I'll answer via text. The quote comes from The Alien World which was written by Robert Holdstock under the pen name of Steven Eisler. Professor Steven Eisler has appeared in a couple of Galnet News articles that I wrote back when we players were permitted to submit articles for Frontier to publish. It's also the name of my son's CMDR so if you find a system first discovered by Steven Eisler ... don't go thinking you've found Raxxla ;)

Bah. I was hoping it had to do with Elite. I even had a crazy theory going just from that quote. Guess I'll have to trash that one.
I'll post it if anyone wants a dose of crazy for the day. :LOL:

-The Dark Wheel generation ship launches sometime after the current time in game.

-Generation ship is sent back thousands of years.

-The Dark Wheel set up colonies and begin developing new technologies (Guardian tech?) and making clones using existing technology.

-(If Guardian tech) The Dark Wheel create AI with the directive to maintain order in the Galaxy. Since The Dark Wheel is not from the current timeline, they are seen as a disruption to the order of the galaxy, causing the Guardians to turn on them.

-The original Dark Wheel members "survive" by continuing to make clones of themselves, extending into current times.

-Current members (clones of the originals) hide from the rest of humanity to avoid disrupting the timeline.

--- Different theories about time travel cause variances here ---

-1. Affecting current events can affect the members of The Dark Wheel, even causing them to cease to exist.

-2. The Dark Wheel want the timeline to progress as it did in their time, allowing their family and themselves to exist in the current timeline.

-Powers in the current timeline learn about The Dark Wheel. They begin sabotaging generation ships to alter timeline events, or to draw out The Dark Wheel.


The Dark Wheel toast

"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!"
This could be Earth, Sol, the human bubble, or even the entire Milky Way.

"To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!"
This indicates the disire to return back home, despite the consequences. Every hyperspace jump is a reminder that they could just jump back home.

"The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"
The reason for trying to remain invisible to the rest of humanity, and staying so far from their home. They want their loved ones to exist in this timeline, which is why they ignore the urges to return.

This game is making me insane.
 
'At that stage [1][Alex Ryder] had two sons: Neptune and Oberon. Oberon believed he could find Soontill. Neptune considered anything other than Raxxla to be irrelevant. Arguments ensued and we split from the Dark Wheel. We followed Oberon and formed the Circle of Independent Elite Pilots with the goal of using Soontill's power to protect humanity.'
@Tigorath - I am still struggling to see how wanting to protect humanity is more evil than Aegis and their blatant disregard for humanity's safety! ;)
 
@PeteACarter - I did not say protecting humanity was evil. Nor do I believe Aegis is good. A rock and a hard place. That is where humanity is right now. I am now in the Pleiades Sector investigating what is going on. It does not look good for Aegis so I stand corrected.

I did encounter a Thargoid attacking a freighter. Spectacular stuff but I did not engage. But, I don't think the Human and Thargoid race will be making up and riding into the sunset very soon, if ever.

My work with Aegis is done so I will be moving on to the next major corporation that may have dealing ( or infiltrated ) by the real Dark Wheel. However, there is a lot of interesting things to explore around here as long as the Thargoids do not notice me.
 
o7 Commanders
Im currently in the Algol system and found this eerie USS.
This Cetus' Bane, his ship, the 5 canisters (earth relics) and the signal are the same everytime I do a reboot, the only thing that changes is Cetus Bane's faction and ship name.
The ship names and factions that i get so far are:
Radical Cross / Spiritual Order Of HR 7729
Agent / Oshata Commodities
Joy / Nzamnet Natural Interestelar
Duc De Dantzig / Graung Universal Inc
Twenty One Friends (this one was funny) / Partnership Of Zemez

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is this tinfoil? or the USS was for that treasure hunt event and FD forgot to remove it?
 
o7 Commanders
Im currently in the Algol system and found this eerie USS.
This Cetus' Bane, his ship, the 5 canisters (earth relics) and the signal are the same everytime I do a reboot, the only thing that changes is Cetus Bane's faction and ship name.
The ship names and factions that i get so far are:
Radical Cross / Spiritual Order Of HR 7729
Agent / Oshata Commodities
Joy / Nzamnet Natural Interestelar
Duc De Dantzig / Graung Universal Inc
Twenty One Friends (this one was funny) / Partnership Of Zemez

26139e34256d119644394c9844949290.jpg


675af8f9b04f3f6004879cee9552e0e6.png

is this tinfoil? or the USS was for that treasure hunt event and FD forgot to remove it?

It's the treasure hunt.
FDev never got around to tidying it up.
 
Im just checking back with this because i mentioned last week that i would be setting off on a lead to Raxxla. Well i looked at it carefully then decided not to go because. I was offered a passenger mission going to the The Children of Raxxla staging post in Eafots BP-l d9-35 system. I looked it up with EDSM and found it's discovered and numerous ships passed through even in the last week. So then i saw a passenger mission going to twin earth likes that sounded familiar after clicking on show in Galaxy Map from mission there was my bookmark from years ago hence why i didn't go. Still keep an eye out for Raxxla / Dark Wheel during your travels o7 😁
 
Same principle applies for the line of clones Salome’s from as it does for Walden’s clones. All the clones have distinct personalities but various similar traits.

Premonition spoilers ahead...
Salome’s only brought forwards into her role as a result of the previous clone going rogue. (Not 100% clear whether she’s only produced as a result of the previous one going rogue or whether she’d already been produced and it was just the move into her role that happened after the previous one going rogue.)

Her placement with the Lorens is done via a phantom pregnancy, so she’s placed as a newborn.

I guess I saw it as different in that Waldens were done in a "traditional" way presumably the clones were brought to term in an incubator and then "born" and grew up normally. I assumed that the cloning of Kahina/Salome was done after the Prisim incident... (so the clone would have been some sort of quick grown to the right age thing) - why would the Lorens have made clones of her as a kid ? But putting a pin in that for the moment. If Kahina was a clone as well as Salome ... It makes more sense now why Octavia Quinton wanted her body specifically. Octavia had to have been an older version of the same clone... It also begs the question ... Was Kahina/Salome/Octavia made by Walden?
 
I guess I saw it as different in that Waldens were done in a "traditional" way presumably the clones were brought to term in an incubator and then "born" and grew up normally. I assumed that the cloning of Kahina/Salome was done after the Prisim incident... (so the clone would have been some sort of quick grown to the right age thing) - why would the Lorens have made clones of her as a kid ? But putting a pin in that for the moment. If Kahina was a clone as well as Salome ... It makes more sense now why Octavia Quinton wanted her body specifically. Octavia had to have been an older version of the same clone... It also begs the question ... Was Kahina/Salome/Octavia made by Walden?
And is there a backup Salome clone 'on ice' / being grown or growing up somewhere?
 
Interesting. The message says:

The clues took pilots to "Persephone in the Avalon System". One problem.

Persephone is in the Sol system and not in the Avalon system.


o7....

Persephone is a system, a station (in Avalon) and a planet in Sol. The system and station have been in the game since release. Persephone was only added to Sol much later - around 2.3, I think, and long after the treasure hunt.
 
I guess I saw it as different in that Waldens were done in a "traditional" way presumably the clones were brought to term in an incubator and then "born" and grew up normally. I assumed that the cloning of Kahina/Salome was done after the Prisim incident... (so the clone would have been some sort of quick grown to the right age thing) - why would the Lorens have made clones of her as a kid ? But putting a pin in that for the moment. If Kahina was a clone as well as Salome ... It makes more sense now why Octavia Quinton wanted her body specifically. Octavia had to have been an older version of the same clone... It also begs the question ... Was Kahina/Salome/Octavia made by Walden?

Mmm
Kahina was a clone, planted in the Loren household for someone’s plans (TDW? The Club?) who grew up as an oddball since she had different physical characteristics from the Imperial norm of blond haired docile women. Presumably as a “cuccoo” the egg was implanted into the Loren mother during some standard medical checkup/procedure.

When the uprising came and her family were killed she took on the persona of Salomé (named by Hassan after his sister’s cat as I recall) after losing her memory due to Octavia’s “storage tube”. So there is only one clone here, not two, but yes after the invasion of Prism by Loren. No need for quick growth; I think natural timeIine & the uprising was around 20 years after the invasion. She was of the same clone stock as Rebecca, Octavia, etc (we suspect Elyssia as the “original”, but possibly Arissa also (a hint that The Club is behind this, manipulating even the Imperial bloodline??)), but Octavia went rogue so it’s intimated somewhere that Kahina was her replacement (in which case TDW are more likely since Rebecca etc were involved, unless that intervention was what caused Rebecca to break with The Club). Walden, as far as I recall, only cloned himself to ensure the continuity of his dictatorship over Lave. Teorge was the clone world, populated by selected clones of the original colony ship hundreds of years before, so clone technology is widely available, not just limited to Walden.
 
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Time for a little tinfoil.

I've tried to analyse the clues from the Codex in a slightly new way. The idea is that the Dark Wheel toast, is in Dark Wheel lingo and has to bee seen from their traditional perspective. Therefore I decided to build a hypothesis on the idea that 'Mother of Galaxies' is Galaxy 1, from the original Elite.

What we have left of Galaxy 1, is the Lave cluster. This region is the biggest known anomaly in the galaxy. A bunch of systems are aligned in the galactic plane at Y = 48.75. The region also has an odd amount of planets with exactly one earth mass.

I started checking with assumption that anything on the brow, should also be on Y = 48.75 or close. I therefore plotted lines like the Reorte - Riedquat line, to see what came up.
I chose Riedquat as my local 'Omphalos', just to have a starting point.

Projected in the Y = 48.75 plane, I got this.
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  • Orange line: Good old RR-line
  • Purple line: Line Riedquat - Uszaa - Orrere. This follows the 'North axis' and almost hits Sag A.
  • Green line: Zaonce - Riedquat line: Passes Alpha Cygni(Deneb) at about 0.8ly in the plane. 3D distance is about 2.6ly, well inside the system.
  • Red Line: Tionisla - Riedquat line: Does not seem to hit anything in particular. I left it in because Tionisla could be 'parents grief' and Riedquat 'Lovers woe'? It also creates a few intersections.
  • Grey dot: Alpha Cygni
  • Purple dot: Sadr
  • Teal dot: Star of India
  • Black dot next to RR-line: Polaris
The Sifi EP-T b3-3 is only a reference system at exactly Y = 48.75.

I then moved to Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars. Assuming it means Vega and the stars in the Milky Way band. My Milky Way band is set to Y = 48.75.
  • Yellow line: Vega to Cygni X-3. Cygni X-3 is one of the strongest sirens and the it's in the deepest void in ED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-3
  • Blue line is the Sol(big blue dot) - Vega Line
I also added a black line. This is the mystery line. If I have managed to plot correctly, this is the intersecting line between the Y = 48.75 plane and the Right ascension = 20h plane. I know this looks weird, but it's an attempt to fit the name as well in to the equation.

Raxxla -> Ra = Right ascension, xx = 20, la = Lave or Lave altitude/ascension or 50(L=50) altitude/ascension.

Interesting observations:
  • Star of India is at R.A. 20 and double Y coordinate of Lave.
  • Polaris is at four times Y coordinate of Lave.
  • The line from Sol to Star of India also continue to V1357 Cygni. Wikipedia and Simbad list V1357 Cygni and HIP 98298 (Star of India) as the same star.
  • Both Alpha Cygni and Star of India have an shadow object that appear in the local map, after a while. No other systems seem to have this.
Hope you find something interesting here. Perhaps @simulacrae could make a prettier plot?

Here is my plot:
https://www.monroecc.edu/faculty/paulseeburger/calcnsf/CalcPlot3D/?type=point;point=68.84375,48.75,69.75;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=74.03125,48.75,64.75;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-5187.5,0,5000;visible=false;color=rgb(0,154,255);size=2;initialpt=74.03125,48.75,64.75&type=point;point=687.0625,-362.53125,-697.0625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,255,0);size=4&type=point;point=232.59375,-232.90625,-1761.625;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,255);size=4&type=point;point=1099.21875,-146.6875,-133.59375;visible=true;color=rgb(153,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=-1405,46.125,132.5;visible=true;color=rgb(153,153,153);size=4&type=point;point=80.75,48.75,69.25;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-11906.25,0,500;visible=true;color=rgb(20,210,70);size=2;initialpt=80.75,48.75,69.25&type=point;point=71.625,47.75,64.8125;visible=false;color=rgb(166,77,121);size=4&type=vector;vector=2781.25,-1000,-4937.5;visible=false;color=rgb(0,154,255);size=2;initialpt=68.84375,48.75,69.75&type=point;point=-322.6875,194.59375,-212.4375;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=0,0,25900;visible=true;color=rgb(105,17,192);size=2;initialpt=68.84375,48.75,69.75&type=point;point=75.75,48.75,75.15625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,255);size=4&type=vector;vector=-6906.25,0,-5406.25;visible=true;color=rgb(255,153,0);size=2;initialpt=75.75,48.75,75.15625&type=point;point=-1840.5625,95.25,610.3125;visible=true;color=rgb(0,255,255);size=4&type=point;point=82.25,48.75,68.15625;visible=true;color=rgb(197,23,208);size=4&type=vector;vector=-13406.25,0,1562.5;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=2;initialpt=82.25,48.75,68.15625&type=point;point=-1695.28125,48.75,302.125;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=4&type=point;point=-7095.375,401.25,2396.8125;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=text;text=Sifi EP-T b3-3;visible=true;point=-1695.28125,48.75,302.125;color=rgb(0,0,0);font=Times New Roman;fontsize=14pt;bold=true;italic=false;fontmath=true;align=Upper-right&type=point;point=-1794.6875,53.6875,365.84375;visible=true;color=rgb(105,17,192);size=4&type=vector;vector=-389.6875,0,233.34375;visible=true;color=rgb(173,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-1405,48.75,132.5&type=point;point=0,0,0;visible=true;color=rgb(17,109,192);size=10&type=vector;vector=-36417.71875,443.9375,6522.71875;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-21.90625,8.125,9&type=point;point=-1164.531,48.75,216.375;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=-484.71875,48.6875,91.125;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-21906.25,0,9000;visible=true;color=rgb(17,109,192);size=2;initialpt=(0,48.75,0)&type=point;point=-193.094,48.75,80.75;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=implicit;equation=138997.66992188x+587944.7109375y+327425.97460938z~0;cubes=16;visible=false;fixdomain=false;xmin=-4096;xmax=4096;ymin=0;ymax=4096;zmin=-4096;zmax=4096;alpha=105;format=normal;constcol=rgb(255,0,0)&type=implicit;equation=y~48.75;cubes=16;visible=false;fixdomain=true;xmin=-4048;xmax=2048;ymin=0;ymax=2048;zmin=-4048;zmax=2048;alpha=105;format=normal;constcol=rgb(255,0,0)&type=vector;vector=-2119.1875,1.25,806.0625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=2;initialpt=(-80.67,48.75,53.11)&type=vector;vector=-4355.625,0,4778.125;visible=true;color=rgb(173,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-1405,48.75,132.5&type=window;hsrmode=3;nomidpts=false;anaglyph=-1;center=131.90825407657894,-1526.6928054199732,-718.5495778471687,1;focus=0,0,0,1;up=0.014778761575128335,-0.42475628703552054,0.9051870993502414,1;transparent=false;alpha=140;twoviews=false;unlinkviews=false;axisextension=0.7;xaxislabel=x;yaxislabel=y;zaxislabel=z;edgeson=true;faceson=true;showbox=true;showaxes=false;showticks=true;perspective=true;centerxpercent=0.7067463563299086;centerypercent=0.8245887350054193;rotationsteps=30;autospin=true;xygrid=false;yzgrid=false;xzgrid=false;gridsonbox=true;gridplanes=false;gridcolor=rgb(128,128,128);xmin=-4096;xmax=4096;ymin=0;ymax=4096;zmin=-4096;zmax=4096;xscale=2048;yscale=2048;zscale=2048;zcmin=-8192;zcmax=8192;zoom=0.003784;xscalefactor=1;yscalefactor=1;zscalefactor=1
 
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Time for a little tinfoil.

I've tried to analyse the clues from the Codex in a slightly new way. The idea is that the Dark Wheel toast, is in Dark Wheel lingo and has to bee seen from their traditional perspective. Therefore I decided to build a hypothesis on the idea that 'Mother of Galaxies' is Galaxy 1, from the original Elite.

What we have left of Galaxy 1, is the Lave cluster. This region is the biggest known anomaly in the galaxy. A bunch of systems are aligned in the galactic plane at Y = 48.75. The region also has an odd amount of planets with exactly one earth mass.

I started checking with assumption that anything on the brow, should also be on Y = 48.75 or close. I therefore plotted lines like the Reorte - Riedquat line, to see what came up.
I chose Riedquat as my local 'Omphalos', just to have a starting point.

Projected in the Y = 48.75 plane, I got this.
[spoler]
Riedq-Plot.png

[/spoiler]

  • Orange line: Good old RR-line
  • Purple line: Line Riedquat - Uszaa - Orrere. This follows the 'North axis' and almost hits Sag A.
  • Green line: Zaonce - Riedquat line: Passes Alpha Cygni(Deneb) at about 0.8ly in the plane. 3D distance is about 2.6ly, well inside the system.
  • Red Line: Tionisla - Riedquat line: Does not seem to hit anything in particular. I left it in because Tionisla could be 'parents grief' and Riedquat 'Lovers woe'? It also creates a few intersections.
  • Grey dot: Alpha Cygni
  • Purple dot: Sadr
  • Teal dot: Star of India
  • Black dot next to RR-line: Polaris
The Sifi EP-T b3-3 is only a reference system at exactly Y = 48.75.

I then moved to Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars. Assuming it means Vega and the stars in the Milky Way band. My Milky Way band is set to Y = 48.75.
  • Yellow line: Vega to Cygni X-3. Cygni X-3 is one of the strongest sirens and the it's in the deepest void in ED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-3
  • Blue line is the Sol(big blue dot) - Vega Line
I also added a black line. This is the mystery line. If I have managed to plot correctly, this is the intersecting line between the Y = 48.75 plane and the Right ascension = 20h plane. I know this looks weird, but it's an attempt to fit the name as well in to the equation.

Raxxla -> Ra = Right ascension, xx = 20, la = Lave or Lave altitude/ascension or 50(L=50) altitude/ascension.

Interesting observations:
  • Star of India is at R.A. 20 and double Y coordinate of Lave.
  • Polaris is at four times Y coordinate of Lave.
  • The line from Sol to Star of India also continue to V1357 Cygni. Wikipedia and Simbad list V157 Cygni and HIP 98298 (Star of India) as the same star.
  • Both Alpha Cygni and Star of India have an shadow object that appear in the local map, after a while. No other systems seem to have this.
Hope you find something interesting here. Perhaps @simulacrae could make a prettier plot?

Here is my plot:
https://www.monroecc.edu/faculty/paulseeburger/calcnsf/CalcPlot3D/?type=point;point=68.84375,48.75,69.75;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=74.03125,48.75,64.75;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-5187.5,0,5000;visible=false;color=rgb(0,154,255);size=2;initialpt=74.03125,48.75,64.75&type=point;point=687.0625,-362.53125,-697.0625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,255,0);size=4&type=point;point=232.59375,-232.90625,-1761.625;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,255);size=4&type=point;point=1099.21875,-146.6875,-133.59375;visible=true;color=rgb(153,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=-1405,46.125,132.5;visible=true;color=rgb(153,153,153);size=4&type=point;point=80.75,48.75,69.25;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-11906.25,0,500;visible=true;color=rgb(20,210,70);size=2;initialpt=80.75,48.75,69.25&type=point;point=71.625,47.75,64.8125;visible=false;color=rgb(166,77,121);size=4&type=vector;vector=2781.25,-1000,-4937.5;visible=false;color=rgb(0,154,255);size=2;initialpt=68.84375,48.75,69.75&type=point;point=-322.6875,194.59375,-212.4375;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=0,0,25900;visible=true;color=rgb(105,17,192);size=2;initialpt=68.84375,48.75,69.75&type=point;point=75.75,48.75,75.15625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,255);size=4&type=vector;vector=-6906.25,0,-5406.25;visible=true;color=rgb(255,153,0);size=2;initialpt=75.75,48.75,75.15625&type=point;point=-1840.5625,95.25,610.3125;visible=true;color=rgb(0,255,255);size=4&type=point;point=82.25,48.75,68.15625;visible=true;color=rgb(197,23,208);size=4&type=vector;vector=-13406.25,0,1562.5;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=2;initialpt=82.25,48.75,68.15625&type=point;point=-1695.28125,48.75,302.125;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=4&type=point;point=-7095.375,401.25,2396.8125;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=text;text=Sifi EP-T b3-3;visible=true;point=-1695.28125,48.75,302.125;color=rgb(0,0,0);font=Times New Roman;fontsize=14pt;bold=true;italic=false;fontmath=true;align=Upper-right&type=point;point=-1794.6875,53.6875,365.84375;visible=true;color=rgb(105,17,192);size=4&type=vector;vector=-389.6875,0,233.34375;visible=true;color=rgb(173,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-1405,48.75,132.5&type=point;point=0,0,0;visible=true;color=rgb(17,109,192);size=10&type=vector;vector=-36417.71875,443.9375,6522.71875;visible=true;color=rgb(255,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-21.90625,8.125,9&type=point;point=-1164.531,48.75,216.375;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=point;point=-484.71875,48.6875,91.125;visible=true;color=rgb(255,0,0);size=4&type=vector;vector=-21906.25,0,9000;visible=true;color=rgb(17,109,192);size=2;initialpt=(0,48.75,0)&type=point;point=-193.094,48.75,80.75;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=4&type=implicit;equation=138997.66992188x+587944.7109375y+327425.97460938z~0;cubes=16;visible=false;fixdomain=false;xmin=-4096;xmax=4096;ymin=0;ymax=4096;zmin=-4096;zmax=4096;alpha=105;format=normal;constcol=rgb(255,0,0)&type=implicit;equation=y~48.75;cubes=16;visible=false;fixdomain=true;xmin=-4048;xmax=2048;ymin=0;ymax=2048;zmin=-4048;zmax=2048;alpha=105;format=normal;constcol=rgb(255,0,0)&type=vector;vector=-2119.1875,1.25,806.0625;visible=true;color=rgb(0,0,0);size=2;initialpt=(-80.67,48.75,53.11)&type=vector;vector=-4355.625,0,4778.125;visible=true;color=rgb(173,255,0);size=2;initialpt=-1405,48.75,132.5&type=window;hsrmode=3;nomidpts=false;anaglyph=-1;center=131.90825407657894,-1526.6928054199732,-718.5495778471687,1;focus=0,0,0,1;up=0.014778761575128335,-0.42475628703552054,0.9051870993502414,1;transparent=false;alpha=140;twoviews=false;unlinkviews=false;axisextension=0.7;xaxislabel=x;yaxislabel=y;zaxislabel=z;edgeson=true;faceson=true;showbox=true;showaxes=false;showticks=true;perspective=true;centerxpercent=0.7067463563299086;centerypercent=0.8245887350054193;rotationsteps=30;autospin=true;xygrid=false;yzgrid=false;xzgrid=false;gridsonbox=true;gridplanes=false;gridcolor=rgb(128,128,128);xmin=-4096;xmax=4096;ymin=0;ymax=4096;zmin=-4096;zmax=4096;xscale=2048;yscale=2048;zscale=2048;zcmin=-8192;zcmax=8192;zoom=0.003784;xscalefactor=1;yscalefactor=1;zscalefactor=1
Fantastic work. I have played with ra 20 / lave myself and not got anywhere, but I've not taken it as far as this
 
Fantastic work. I have played with ra 20 / lave myself and not got anywhere, but I've not taken it as far as this
Thanks.

I've put in the planes as surfaces in my plot (turned of in the link). The display is pretty horrible, so ti doesn't help much.

I need a better 3D program. I'm used to working in Rhinoseros 3D, but I don't have a lisens at the moment.
 
Mmm
Kahina was a clone, planted in the Loren household for someone’s plans (TDW? The Club?) who grew up as an oddball since she had different physical characteristics from the Imperial norm of blond haired docile women. Presumably as a “cuccoo” the egg was implanted into the Loren mother during some standard medical checkup/procedure.

When the uprising came and her family were killed she took on the persona of Salomé (named by Hassan after his sister’s cat as I recall) after losing her memory due to Octavia’s “storage tube”. So there is only one clone here, not two, but yes after the invasion of Prism by Loren. No need for quick growth; I think natural timeIine & the uprising was around 20 years after the invasion. She was of the same clone stock as Rebecca, Octavia, etc (we suspect Elyssia as the “original”, but possibly Arissa also (a hint that The Club is behind this, manipulating even the Imperial bloodline??)), but Octavia went rogue so it’s intimated somewhere that Kahina was her replacement (in which case TDW are more likely since Rebecca etc were involved, unless that intervention was what caused Rebecca to break with The Club). Walden, as far as I recall, only cloned himself to ensure the continuity of his dictatorship over Lave. Tionisla was the clone world, populated by selected clones of the original colony ship hundreds of years before, so clone technology is widely available, not just limited to Walden.
Where does the idea come from that ALD is the potential origin of Salomé's clone line?

Surely, if we trust any of this clone talk from Luko, we also accept the bit where he says "it started with a woman called
Elyssia."
 

Scytale

Banned
For what is worth.. Summer Triangle:
Altaïr, RA 19:50:47
Deneb (alpha Cyg), RA 20:41:25
Vega, RA 18:36:56
(Wikipedia)

I assume that Star of India (RA 20:00:15) system is player named ?
 
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