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The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Thank you I knew i didnt just imagine it lol
Planet of paradise also sounds like Soontill. I'm sure there's more than one big mystery I'm Elite. And I'm pretty sure, a few years back, I recall reading something from the devs stating that Raxxla was not connected to Elite's greatest/ biggest mystery
Halsey's visions were in her own words:
"It was wonderful. Amazing. I saw the universe, and our galaxy within it, as I'd never seen it before, and I felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy. The paradox of their existence – tiny yet gargantuan, fleeting yet eternal. They spoke to me as I drifted in the void. It was amazing. I must share their message."
The real caretakers of the galaxy matches well with the ‘bodiless voices’ that Gan Romero heard in Vega.
The Codex entry suggests that these are post Guardian entities. Either pure AI or hybrids that have evolved beyond the need for physical manifestation.
Such an evolution would not be a huge surprise. The Guardian history we have, is mainly from the traditionalists. We know little of what happened to the exiles with AI implants and we know little of what happened to the Constructs, after they destroyed the traditionalist Guardians.
We do know that the Constructs wiped out the Guardians to ensure their own survival. Being AI they were probably very rational about the situation and the chances of them failing to survive are slim.
I believe there is a good chance that Raxxla is linked to post Guardian activity. It's also a fair chance that FD have lett some of the post Guardians visit Earth in early human history, giving rise to the base stories of our mythology.
It should be also recalled that the actual discovery of the Guardians in game didn't go to plan, with someone working out a location using the stars in a trailer image and finding the Guardian sites early instead of going on the lead from Halsleys visions, etc.
The codex is written as if that never happened and the original story line had worked through.
The codex is written as if that never happened and the original story line had worked through.
Speculation of course, as everything is with Raxxla really, but I’ve been under the impression that finding the real Dark Wheel may be helpful to the Raxxla mystery.
we know TDW hates the club, the club sent out the Zurara to be a way point for their operation. And we have Delphi now which timing would indicate is connected to the added things in the Codex. on the Zurara the recordings from Rebecca states there are 2 other ships in 2 other sectors like the zurara, and to my knowledge they’ve never been found.
Assuming that Delphi is the “center” and since it’s controlled by Sirius Inc, whom we know are connected to the club, perhaps the zurara is an “eagle” sent out to be a waypoint to the “center”, Delphi in this case.
I asked DW on his Twitter, since he was in the know on the zurara, if he was of the opinion (not asking directly since I figure there’s likely an NDA on info) that the two other ships mentioned by Rebecca in the zuraras logs were actually in game, and perhaps they were triangulated around Delphi as the center, or maybe one was just directly opposite the zurara.
he did read the question since he put a like on both comments it took to ask it, but said nothing in response, which is kinda odd for DW usually he says at least a little something to posts.
could read into it that “yeah maybe but I can’t say anything”. Or could always be a nada as things tend to be with Raxxla. Just figured I’d share for anyone interested in that.
It’s easy to reverse triangulate given we have 2 points to work off of, however the triangle can be “spun” a bit within the thickness of the galactic plane. But it gives a search area anyway. If that is the case a second find would then pinpoint the location of the third.
perhaps we’ll get some interest from TDW if all 3 are found.
we know TDW hates the club, the club sent out the Zurara to be a way point for their operation. And we have Delphi now which timing would indicate is connected to the added things in the Codex. on the Zurara the recordings from Rebecca states there are 2 other ships in 2 other sectors like the zurara, and to my knowledge they’ve never been found.
Assuming that Delphi is the “center” and since it’s controlled by Sirius Inc, whom we know are connected to the club, perhaps the zurara is an “eagle” sent out to be a waypoint to the “center”, Delphi in this case.
I asked DW on his Twitter, since he was in the know on the zurara, if he was of the opinion (not asking directly since I figure there’s likely an NDA on info) that the two other ships mentioned by Rebecca in the zuraras logs were actually in game, and perhaps they were triangulated around Delphi as the center, or maybe one was just directly opposite the zurara.
he did read the question since he put a like on both comments it took to ask it, but said nothing in response, which is kinda odd for DW usually he says at least a little something to posts.
could read into it that “yeah maybe but I can’t say anything”. Or could always be a nada as things tend to be with Raxxla. Just figured I’d share for anyone interested in that.
It’s easy to reverse triangulate given we have 2 points to work off of, however the triangle can be “spun” a bit within the thickness of the galactic plane. But it gives a search area anyway. If that is the case a second find would then pinpoint the location of the third.
perhaps we’ll get some interest from TDW if all 3 are found.
Yep.
For the benefit of those who weren't around for it, the original hypothesis that it was Guardian descendants (this includes AI just to be clear) that Halsey had encountered was based on extrapolating out their development, and noting that the only thing that had been reported/encountered which was a potential match was what Halsey had described.
For anyone who wants a more detailed explanation, here's a link to a post I did on it:
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(For reference it's not a post that was written as an explanation as scratch. Rather it's a response to a Sag i article in which the hypothesis got misrepresented. So long as that's borne in mind when reading it should still make sense, and provide a reasonable explanation.)
As a mild aside, I'm not sure that we can actually say that we know that the AIs turned on the Guardians to ensure their own survival. Strictly speaking it's just something that Ram Tah hypothesises (in log #10). Later logs make clear that the military AI were against it and the civilian AI somehow compelled them to act (specific quote: "The military Constructs were opposed to this decision, but somehow the non-military Constructs won out, forcing their military counterparts to comply with the attack."). The last logs also makes pretty clear that the civilian constructs had been relegated to a position of permanent menial servitude in Guardian society, which IMHO is likely to have been one of the most significant factors in their turning on the Guardians.
I wouldn't be surprised if there transpired to be some very early Guardian-Human contact, though I kind of hope FD haven't done that. I would say though that IMHO it's almost certain that this isn't the first time spacefaring humanity has come across the remains of Guardian civilisation in some form or other.
I also concur on the likely Raxxla connection. I still hope that FD haven't gone down that route though and are doing Raxxla as a completely separate thing in its own right.
Absolutely.
When the Codex came along in the 3.3 Beta, I did ask whether what was in it represented what was intended to have happened, and how we should treat it, but no answer was forthcoming.
Another proposal that's been floated is that the way it should be treated is that the footage seen in the trailers represents leaked footage captured by Halsey's followers who followed her visions and found the sites. That actually works pretty well as a way of lore-ifying what happened IMHO.
You’re getting a bit confused. Rebecca was not on Zurara, nobody survived from that ship. It seems likely that (according to the FRift base’s ELINT intercept logs) Rebecca was the female Cobra pilot who returned to her mothership to find it destroyed & headed for a nearby ELW; we have no information as to how she managed to return from there to the bubble. The Dynasty plot involved settlements (and, supposedly, terraforming activities and dropping beacons to mark ELW though we found no such traces) in three separate areas of space: Formidine Rift, Hawking’s Gap and Conflux. If there are two other megaships like Zurara they would therefore be in the Gap and Conflux. TDW were interested in uncovering and making public the details of the Club’s Dynasty plot, which Salomé did. Can’t see that finding any other parts of Dynasty would spark TDW into a response, it’s OBE.
The obvious way to spark their interest is to solve the Codex Toast.
Yep.
For the benefit of those who weren't around for it, the original hypothesis that it was Guardian descendants (this includes AI just to be clear) that Halsey had encountered was based on extrapolating out their development, and noting that the only thing that had been reported/encountered which was a potential match was what Halsey had described.
For anyone who wants a more detailed explanation, here's a link to a post I did on it:
Community Event / Creation - OUT NOW: Sagittarius Eye Issue #10 (Get Your Copy Today)!
Greetings Commanders, Issue 10 of Sagittarius Eye is now available. Our team of talented writers, designers, artists, and editors have been hard at work again to provide you with fascinating stories right from the world of Elite Dangerous. In this issue, learn about the history, cultivation...forums.frontier.co.uk
(For reference it's not a post that was written as an explanation as scratch. Rather it's a response to a Sag i article in which the hypothesis got misrepresented. So long as that's borne in mind when reading it should still make sense, and provide a reasonable explanation.)
As a mild aside, I'm not sure that we can actually say that we know that the AIs turned on the Guardians to ensure their own survival. Strictly speaking it's just something that Ram Tah hypothesises (in log #10). Later logs make clear that the military AI were against it and the civilian AI somehow compelled them to act (specific quote: "The military Constructs were opposed to this decision, but somehow the non-military Constructs won out, forcing their military counterparts to comply with the attack."). The last logs also makes pretty clear that the civilian constructs had been relegated to a position of permanent menial servitude in Guardian society, which IMHO is likely to have been one of the most significant factors in their turning on the Guardians.
I wouldn't be surprised if there transpired to be some very early Guardian-Human contact, though I kind of hope FD haven't done that. I would say though that IMHO it's almost certain that this isn't the first time spacefaring humanity has come across the remains of Guardian civilisation in some form or other.
I also concur on the likely Raxxla connection. I still hope that FD haven't gone down that route though and are doing Raxxla as a completely separate thing in its own right.
I think the Martian relic is a hint that such contact happened, whether humanity was sapient at that point is TBD- maybe we’ll find out in season 10.
I think the Omphalos Rift “alien artefact” mentioned in the Codex is a pretty strong hint that Guardians are related to Raxxla somehow, not that that helps us to find it given the extent of their travelling. I can’t see that it would fit into what we know of Thargoid technology.
So after reading through the entire thread once again... I see no one mentioning Cemiess really; a system where the main planets are named after gemstones/jewels: Emerald and Jade. Has anyone investigated a link with the system, it could be a small lead?
I was just by there today actually. Didn’t stop in but I may have to. Stopped in Delphi, Maia, Atlas and Pleione. The last being the mother of the Pleiades sisters. Might have to give Cemiess a look see. Did get me thinking tho that Maia is the smack center of the Pleiades, the name of the Nebula overlaps the name of the system it’s so centered, and it’s got that black hole there. Like a central rift
.thinking of Cemiess tho, I remember a long while back someone asking DW if there was a reason Prism didn’t have a body to represent green.
it’s got diamond for white, ruby for red and sapphire for blue but no green to complete the RGB trifecta. Yes Cemiess does have the missing gem in emerald. Wonder if there’s a connection?
Pics or it didnt happen
Any chance you can remember which one? Id say probably a bug, I know on console they dont always appear right or at all so it is graphics reliant or based, it can be interfered with somehow so theoretically possible to not work properly on PC either..
Fuzzy halos around certain stars on the galmap
If you go to the galmap and deselect every star type on the filter screen, you will end up with a blank map... mostly. But scattered throughout the sectors you will see small gray points. If you zoom in on one, and then re-select all of the star filters or go to "realistic" mode, you will always...
Seen this too on both PC and Console. They’re really common nearer the core since there’s so many stars. What I think it is is they place this fuzzy halo around really luminous stars to make them stand out on the map but that halo and star are two separate images overlaid so when you deselect the star it leaves its luminous halo.Fuzzy halos around certain stars on the galmap
If you go to the galmap and deselect every star type on the filter screen, you will end up with a blank map... mostly. But scattered throughout the sectors you will see small gray points. If you zoom in on one, and then re-select all of the star filters or go to "realistic" mode, you will always...
I think it’s quite possible that it’s Guardian related. They’re alien, ancient, advanced and all that. And their ruins bear a striking design philosophy with the Raxxla symbol. Hexagons and wedges and semi circles and circles etc. they look like they’re drawn by the same folks.I think the Martian relic is a hint that such contact happened, whether humanity was sapient at that point is TBD- maybe we’ll find out in season 10.
I think the Omphalos Rift “alien artefact” mentioned in the Codex is a pretty strong hint that Guardians are related to Raxxla somehow, not that that helps us to find it given the extent of their travelling. I can’t see that it would fit into what we know of Thargoid technology.
always thought the Gaurdian ruins looked a lot like the maps from the probes as well, like the ruins point somewhere but I’m not skilled enough with that kind of thing to investigate that myself.
might give the ram tah missions a go tho. From what I understand anyway nobody has managed to complete them all yet.
I've seen them at B class stars, t Tauri's and o classes. I've listened to people tell me they are planetary nebula while I was sat in one with only a neutron star. With the "little bit obvious" MB comment, I wonder what these funny little jewels actually are.
FYI : I am aware he made this comment before the toast existed
FYI : I am aware he made this comment before the toast existed
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Maybe. Can’t discount anything I suppose. I think the halos seems there just as flavor for the map personally.
as for MB’s comments about it being a little bit obvious so you’d know where to start and that “there would be no clues” which he said hesitantly, there’s nothing really that is obvious currently. Only thing that comes to mind for me is the original Dark Wheel missions from SD that seemed to hint pretty heavily that the end game of them was to search out raxxla and there would be info to go off of from these data crystals etc they were having you gather that held coordnance of some kind.
I think what happened there is FD was surprised by the interest in raxxla and the speed at which players were going at those missions so they removed them and probably scrapped that line. Replacing it with the DW in SD was shut down by the Real DW (per far seers claim) and that they’re keeping it intentionally near impossible to find until they get the games tech up to snuff with what they want it to be capable of to have raxxla be a real big deal and not a beige moon like it would have been at the games release.
I’d bet dollars to donuts that when Odyssey releases Col 70 and Horse Head dark region will finally be open again. They shut that down too when people started finding things they didn’t want them to yet and it was closed off about 2016. Same time Odyssey was being thought of and soon after they stared Active development on odyssey. Hopefully the new expansion will bring with it new opprotinities to find info.
Until then i guess I’ll keep my tinfoil on and we’ll investigate all possibilities no matter what they are
anything could be connected since we don’t know of anything that is yet.
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Thing is though there has been clues. The codex entries are clues, DB comments are clues "we dont know what it is" etc.Maybe. Can’t discount anything I suppose. I think the halos seems there just as flavor for the map personally.
as for MB’s comments about it being a little bit obvious so you’d know where to start and that “there would be no clues” which he said hesitantly, there’s nothing really that is obvious currently. Only thing that comes to mind for me is the original Dark Wheel missions from SD that seemed to hint pretty heavily that the end game of them was to search out raxxla and there would be info to go off of from these data crystals etc they were having you gather that held coordnance of some kind.
I think what happened there is FD was surprised by the interest in raxxla and the speed at which players were going at those missions so they removed them and probably scrapped that line. Replacing it with the DW in SD was shut down by the Real DW (per far seers claim) and that they’re keeping it intentionally near impossible to find until they get the games tech up to snuff with what they want it to be capable of to have raxxla be a real big deal and not a beige moon like it would have been at the games release.
I’d bet dollars to donuts that when Odyssey releases Col 70 and Horse Head dark region will finally be open again. They shut that down too when people started finding things they didn’t want them to yet and it was closed off about 2018. Same time they stared development on odyssey. Hopefully the new expansion will bring with it new opprotinities to find info.
Until then i guess I’ll keep my tinfoil on and we’ll investigate all possibilities no matter what they are
Personally I hope it isn't in the game as it stands now, I couldn't imagine anything as anti climactic as it being a earth like with some lights on the back of it.
Unrelated but I just noticed the name. You and Guru are always like 3 steps ahead of me
every time I get an idea to look at an area, I arrive and the planets are all “first mapped my Mattius” or “first mapped by Guru951”. You guys have got some light years under your seats