The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Rochester]

Systems visited by Jaques prior to the jump to Colonia.

*edited

Facece (Topaz) date ? 64.28125 / -111.4375 / 25.1875
HIP 110620 - February 12, 3301 - February 19, 3301.
HIP 110079 - February 19, 3301 - Unknown
Gliese 1269 - Unknown - May 19, 3302

Can’t see any direct correlations, except a path away from the southern hemisphere of the bubble, his journey begins in Facece around the moon Topaz, then he disappears for some undisclosed time.

Jaques systems shown below in ‘green’ - all other points all relative to the Yggdrasil tree and Milton celestial pole, just for context. The red point close to them is aptly named system ‘Bridge’.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

I just need to write this down, at least for myself.

Notes on 'un-discovered POI' mechanics
I just jumped to "DG Canum Venaticorum", it was already fully mapped by my flight computer. Nothing new to scan.
I did NOT see the "Iraxon Lane" INRA base as POI in my NAV while checking from 900LS. (As expected)
However it shows as 'Human (1)' in the FSS even before I have done a surface scan. Unexpected.
I had previously assumed I had to get close enough to do a Surface Scan (and generate the POIs by being close enough) before it would reveal any clues at all.

This is good news I guess - we can discover things even if it's quite far away.
I just need to make sure I was certain about the mechanics, how it would treat these kind of 'non-discovered POIs' for a pilot.

 

[Rochester]

I just need to write this down, at least for myself.

Notes on 'previously non-discoveries' mechanics
I just jumped to "DG Canum Venaticorum", it was already fully mapped by my flight computer. Nothing new to scan.
I did NOT see the "Iraxon Lane" INRA base as POI in my NAV while checking from 900LS. (As expected)
However it shows as 'Human (1)' in the FSS even before I have done a surface scan. Unexpected.
I had previously assumed I had to get close enough to do a Surface Scan (and generate the POIs by being close enough) before it would reveal any clues at all.

This is good news I guess - we can discover things even if it's quite far away.
I just need to make sure I was certain about the mechanics, how it would treat these kind of 'non-discovered POIs' for a pilot.

Yes that’s my experience too.

All POIs seem to appear in the FSS. I’m presuming that if Raxxla hasn’t been altered, since the 2016 lore nerf / DW erasure / Brookes departure, that it’s a space based element or body that can be scanned.

I recall Brookes disappointment at the introduction of the modern FSS as it made everything too easy to find…and of course if the quote about someone passing through the system is true, scanning it would have found it.

Technically it’s logical to assume FD would allow us to find it, so it ought to appear on the FSS!?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Technically it’s logical to assume FD would allow us to find it, so it ought to appear on the FSS!?

My guess is that it is an installation. If memory serves me correctly, installations are not detected unless you are within 1,000 lightseconds. Though, scanning a body with FSS will get nearby stations, fleet carriers, and installations so the 1,000 lightseconds may have changed.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I think MB’s concern about making things too easy was to do with the “infinite range” of the advanced scanner; well before release of the FSS - which is a real pain in practice! On this Gravitational Wave Hypothesis search just about every system that Jorki and Tyko have entered have been undiscovered. Found quite a few WW! Couple of AW and one ELW. Good for exploration data credits, but sure slows the journey!

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Hypothetical question: When Horizons came out do you think FDev would have changed it to a POI on a landable moon? Does the Codex hint if we are dealing with something orbital (the "omphalos rift") or surface based? I doubt they would put Raxxla behind a low atmosphere body so all CMDRs would have a fair shot. With the addition of FSS, they could at least hide Raxxla by requiring the body be subjected to detailed surface scan.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Sorry, havent got it to hand & lift has arrived- just off for New Years Day dinner (boozy) so wont be fit state afterwards. The stops were listed in Galnet- do a search on Jaques.

Well, after a boozy afternoon and a nice dinner I’m on my second glass of red of the evening (so much for dry January!), watching Skyfall & searching Galnet for info on Jaques. There are some major gaps and a slight inconsistency:

Galnet references

13 June 3302 Several outposts throughout inhabited space have reported receiving messages over the past 24 hours, suggesting that the cyborg and his travelling starport survived the attempted journey to Beagle Point.

26 May 3302 despite setting off almost a week ago, no communications have been received from Jaques Station since it departed, and explorers at Beagle Point have reported no sign of the outpost.

~20 or 21 May 3302 departure for Beagle Point??

20 May 3302 Three individuals carrying pamphlets identifying them as members of ‘The Hands of the Architects’ have been apprehended at Jaques Station. Starport personnel discovered the individuals attempting to modify the station’s frame shift drive. The would-be saboteurs are currently being held in custody at Jaques Station while starport personnel discuss possible extradition with nearby systems.

12 May 3302 A spokesperson for The Fuel Rats named Mischief has announced that Jaques Station has received sufficient quantities of fuel to complete the proposed jump to Beagle Point.

5 May 3302 Jaques’ Orbis has been roaming the galaxy for over 40 years. Now, after more than four decades of travel, Jaques is about to embark on his most ambitious expedition yet – a long-distance jump from Gliese 1269 to Beagle Point.

19 Feb 3301 After a week of wandering in HIP 110620 the Jaques Starport is now making its way through HIP 110079. GalNet is still no closer to learning the reason behind the station’s unexpected return, nor can we ascertain where the cyborg barman’s ultimate destination may be.

12 February 3301 It’s been some time since Jaques began his epic journey from orbit around the moon of Topaz into the mysterious places of the great unknown. A week ago we reported that Jacques Station was seen by an intrepid commander in HIP 110620.

07 February 3301 Some years ago Jaques’ Station left its orbit around the moon of Topaz. It’s mission? To discover new beverages, explore distant stars, and bravely go where no starport had been before. When the starport left on its journey the station was being captained by the toughest barman in all of occupied space, a part-Cyborg known only by the moniker of Jaques.



Systems visited by Jaques prior to the jump to Colonia:

?? Topaz moon-??

? Feb 3301 - 19 Feb 3301 wandering around HIP 110620

19 Feb 3301 Journeying through HIP 110079 - Unknown date

-16 months gap on Jaques’ activities!-

19 May 3302 Jaques jumped from Gliese 1269. Beagle Point was the intended destination, jump expected to take a week but he went missing

28 Jun 3302 Jaques found in Eol Prou RS-T d3-94 (Colonia)

The inconsistency is regarding the actual jump date. Since the three saboteurs from ’The Hands of the Architects’ were arrested & held in custody at Jaques Station on 20 May 3302 the jump is highly unlikely to have been before that date; he may have jumped that day or the next, despite galnet report 26 May 3302 saying “despite setting off almost a week ago”, which sort of implies 20th. But seems strange that attempted sabotage of the fsd didn't delay the jump for a few days!

The major gaps are between from whenever he left Topaz to Feb 3301, and from 19 Feb 3301 to 19 May 3302 when Jaques seems to have gone missing. I thought there was more info available on his movements, so it may be in the Codex (haven’t checked TB!). Moreover we are told in the Wiki that he had to upgrade his original Coriolis to a more resilient Orbis, but that’s not discussed in galnet.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Systems visited by Jaques prior to the jump to Colonia:

?? Topaz moon-??

? Feb 3301 - 19 Feb 3301 wandering around HIP 110620

19 Feb 3301 Journeying through HIP 110079 - Unknown date

-16 months gap on Jaques’ activities!-

19 May 3302 Jaques jumped from Gliese 1269. Beagle Point was the intended destination, jump expected to take a week but he went missing

28 Jun 3302 Jaques found in Eol Prou RS-T d3-94 (Colonia)

The inconsistency is regarding the actual jump date. Since the three saboteurs from ’The Hands of the Architects’ were arrested & held in custody at Jaques Station on 20 May 3302 the jump is highly unlikely to have been before that date; he may have jumped that day or the next, despite galnet report 26 May 3302 saying “despite setting off almost a week ago”, which sort of implies 20th. But seems strange that attempted sabotage of the fsd didn't delay the jump for a few days!

The major gaps are between from whenever he left Topaz to Feb 3301, and from 19 Feb 3301 to 19 May 3302 when Jaques seems to have gone missing. I thought there was more info available on his movements, so it may be in the Codex (haven’t checked TB!). Moreover we are told in the Wiki that he had to upgrade his original Coriolis to a more resilient Orbis, but that’s not discussed in galnet.

Allow me to help clear up the gaps...

Topaz (of which there are 3 in-game): Facece, Ayethi, and Phekda:

Facece - aka Facece 5 and no moons
Ayethi (Argent home system) - aka Ayethi 1 (no moons)
Phekda (Ancients of Mumu home) - aka Phekda 4c (actually a moon)

Apparently, Jaques had business with the Ancients of Mumu as all 3 moons are terraformed Earth-likes.

System description of Phekda:

A rare anarchy system that maintains a powerful industrial economy. Also known as Gamma Ursae Majoris and Phad.

The home system for The Ancients of Mumu who are adherents to the entity \"Mumu\". Their aim is to maintain the substance and nature of their society and protect their home system from incursion by any non-believers. Founded in the 12th century, while still planet bound on Mother Earth, the (then) Adherents of Mumu sought to better their environment for the benefit of others.

When first generation ships were due to leave Earth their society sought to colonise a system far from Earth as they believed that Earth itself was not worth saving. The colonists, by and large, survived the journey, arriving several hundred years ago. A significant proportion of the first settlers had developed a sincere hatred of space travel by the time they made first landing.

Since their arrival they have grown particularly attached to their home and have transformed into a community that is fiercely protective of its chosen system and resistant to any attempts at visitation by those who have not been granted access.

The "Ancients of Mumu" connection actually gets interesting as it connects to a Mesopotamian God, the Illuminatus! trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, and Philippine mythology.

Newsletter#61 (attached - sorry for missing images - this was hard to find) covers a bunch of Jaques goings-ons including upgrading to an Orbis and re-affirms the connection to Augustus Brenquith ("glittering legacy", Astrogator Tours, Saud Kruger, and the Astrogator consoles found in all ships past and present).

"I guess it will take me about another fifty years to buy up the rest of this place and another ten to fit it out with enough drive engines." Andre's choking splutter distracted the cyborg for a moment. He wiped the beer from his jacket and the bar as he continued, "I've got a hankering to see the universe again, you see. I think I'll do what Augustus Brenquith did and fly off into the unknown and explore new systems. But I like people as well, so in sixty or so years time there will be an invitation going out, anyone who wants to come along can join me on a long trip. "If you're still around and interested, come and sign up. I never forget a face."

There's on other piece that is missing from "Galactic News: No Sign of Jaques Station":

Kinsley Larson, an engineering specialist, offered this assessment to the Federal Times:

"I can't say I'm surprised. A leap like that would be a remarkable feat for a starship, never mind a starport. Even if Jaques Station survived the jump, there are countless things that could have gone wrong and caused it to veer off course. It could be almost anywhere in the galaxy. Assuming it's still in one piece, that is."

A number of Unknown Artefacts had recently been sold at Jaques Station, and the starport was experiencing technical issues at the time it departed for Beagle Point.

I personally ascribe to the belief that the jump to Colonia was very intentional and that Beagle Point was the convenient cover story. If Jaques was dealing with "The Ancients of Mumu" this was very intentional. Jaques himself in "All That Glisters..." stated he wanted "do what Augustus Brenquith did and fly off into the unknown and explore new systems". Beagle Point (aka Ceeckia ZQ-L c24-0) was already explored by Distant Worlds Expedition so it wouldn't have fitted with what Jaques wanted to do. Given recent events in 3308 this line is especially troubling from Phekda and the Ancients of Mumu:

When first generation ships were due to leave Earth their society sought to colonise a system far from Earth as they believed that Earth itself was not worth saving.

 

[Louis Calvert]

All this talk of Jaques got me thinking...

This ^^ actually maybe totally explains how Raxxla could have been 'found' pre-2296 and then lost.

The above quote from Jaques ties in with TDW novella lore about how witchspace is basically a timeless place and you can get thrown around in time and space without the protection of the Faraway jump system tunnels. Halsey saw the Guardian civilisation as it was 1-2million years ago during her hyperspace jump accident. Jaques was thrown around several different systems during his hyperspace accident.

Raxxla pre-2296 Discovery​

What if one of the early Hyperspace test jumps went wrong but the pilot made it back alive to report what they saw as they bounced around in time and space, and that was whatever Raxxla is - exactly like Halsey and Jaques did.

People then knew "Raxxla" existed, but not where it was! Exactly like when Halsey got everyone to go looking for what she saw in her visions. Only back in the 22nd/23rd Century hyperspace travel was limited, expensive, and hard so getting out across the galaxy just wasn't an option, but the myth of Raxxla being "out there somewhere" would have stuck around for Art Tornqvist to mention in 2296.

Note: I don't think this means Jaques or Halsey saw Raxxla, just that what happened to them helps to make sense of Raxxla being discovered and then lost. The codex helps us date that to the early part of human history - and then we're supposed to consider what happened next in the timeline.

Maybe the next step of the puzzle is to look at who pushed Hyperdrive development and exploration the most... Building a company that would fund hyperdrive research and development for as long as it takes, the 'secret' goal was to find and exploit Raxxla first, the ultimate long-term business strategy.

Which means: Sirius.

Sirius controls Raxxla now?​

Sirius was the first corporate colony (2350) The first megacorporation, and still the most powerful. They made Hyperdrive fuel and hyperdrives first and foremost, before diversifying into other areas. Later, Sirius developed the Antares (testbed for faster, longer range hyperdrives), and then later the Frame Shift Drive which ushered in our present age of being able to explore essentially freely across the galaxy.

Sirius is linked to the Club in Premonition, and significantly Wreaken construction who in 3302 established a massive mysterious "construction convoy" fleet. 2 months later Galnet reported a mysterious dead body at "a Wreaken Construction site in the COL 70 sector" despite the permit lock. At the time (as far as I recall) no-one could really figure out what that meant, it was just a weird mystery.

Wreaken specialises in the extraction of tantalum, a vital component in the manufacture of Frame Shift Drives

Wreaken is a major customer of Sirius Mining. The two businesses signed a long-term deal for Wreaken to have exclusive access to Sirius Mining equipment.

A member of The Club known only as "Finance" is known to manage much of Wreaken Construction's activities.

Sirius could easily be the sinister cabal that controls Raxxla:

Raxxla also plays a role in several conspiracy theories, most of which attest that it has already been discovered by some kind of sinister cabal (or sole tyrant), which has leveraged its power to establish covert dominance over humanity.

Sirius found Raxxla because they were powerful enough to fund the best explorers, pay for anyone else who finds it to be assassinated, powerful enough to force The Dark Wheel to remain hidden. They're essentially above the law in a way that maybe only the Pilot's Federation can actually match?

I'm going to go look at Sirius' business and see if anything stands out.

Anyone know of any documented investigations into Sirius stuff to save me some time with this tinfoil-lined rabbit hole?

 

[John Stoutbeard]

All this talk of Jaques got me thinking...
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This ^^ actually maybe totally explains how Raxxla could have been 'found' pre-2296 and then lost.

What if one of the early Hyperspace test jumps went wrong but the pilot made it back alive to report what they saw as they bounced around in time and space, and that was whatever Raxxla is - exactly like Halsey and Jaques did.

People then knew "Raxxla" existed, but not where it was! Exactly like when Halsey got everyone to go looking for what she saw in her visions. Only back in the 22nd/23rd Century hyperspace travel was limited, expensive, and hard so getting out across the galaxy just wasn't an option, but the myth of Raxxla being "out there somewhere" would have stuck around for Art Tornqvist to mention in 2296.

I kind of like how you're thinking with it, there's no issue with the narrative we're being told.
Regarding Sirius, I agree with the idea of it a player in the race for Raxxla. So many breadcrumbs being deployed in many of the stories. Not sure if they have found it though (and lost it as well).

--- purely sidekick notions ---
Anyway, I found it being a bit strange (quite a while ago) that Sirius wanted to push exploration & mankind in a very specific direction. (It could have been the Zurara narrative, most likely).
This was back in 3301, but I made some notes on the subject. https://panzertard.github.io/elitedangerous-notes/notes/Sirius-Colonisation
One of the remaining questions I had was why they never colonized one system - it's breaking the pattern.
Again, just notes - not sure if it has any bearing on our predicament.

Spoiler: sirius

https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/12-MAR-3301

The 9 systems chosen to act as new homes to Sirius Corporation colonists are:

The Wredguia Colony Cluster

1. Wredquia SX-L d7-92 (Still Wredguia SX-L d7-92 ??) - note, spelling error in Original Galnet article Wred**q**uia
2. Wredguia SX-L d7-91 (Sothis)
3. Wredguia WD-K D8-66 (Ceos)
4. Wredguia QA-N b34-4 (Robigo)
5. Wredguia XD-K d8-78 (Almagest)

Sirius Outposts

1. Gliese 97.2 (Takurua)
2. HIP 8396
3. Col 285 Sector WA-L b9-3 (Te Kaha)
4. CAO Junga

Question: So why did nothing change for Wredguia SX-L d7-92?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Anyone know of any documented investigations into Sirius stuff to save me some time with this tinfoil-lined rabbit hole?

The single best document I know of is Children of Raxxla's Holdstock Report. Focus initially on the section on Finance. The whole thing is worth a read. I am having to share a link because file is too big for the forum. This was from the early days but they did tremendously good research. This is the version they circulated to the player base at the time.

Regarding Sirius Corporation, there are three sets of colonies linked to Sirius Corporation: those immediately near Sirius itself (about 30-35 LY region), those from "Launching the Colonies" GalNet, and those linked to "Sirius Corporation Announces New Programme" GalNet (Robigo region). Sirius Atmospherics was behind the CG that started Thargoid aggressions in Coalsack. The turn in location was the exact same system as the system later revealed to contain Azimuth Biotech's Geological Site 23B linked to the Adamastor.

 

[Rochester]

Well, after a boozy afternoon and a nice dinner I’m on my second glass of red of the evening (so much for dry January!), watching Skyfall & searching Galnet for info on Jaques. There are some major gaps and a slight inconsistency:

Galnet references

13 June 3302 Several outposts throughout inhabited space have reported receiving messages over the past 24 hours, suggesting that the cyborg and his travelling starport survived the attempted journey to Beagle Point.

26 May 3302 despite setting off almost a week ago, no communications have been received from Jaques Station since it departed, and explorers at Beagle Point have reported no sign of the outpost.

~20 or 21 May 3302 departure for Beagle Point??

20 May 3302 Three individuals carrying pamphlets identifying them as members of ‘The Hands of the Architects’ have been apprehended at Jaques Station. Starport personnel discovered the individuals attempting to modify the station’s frame shift drive. The would-be saboteurs are currently being held in custody at Jaques Station while starport personnel discuss possible extradition with nearby systems.

12 May 3302 A spokesperson for The Fuel Rats named Mischief has announced that Jaques Station has received sufficient quantities of fuel to complete the proposed jump to Beagle Point.

5 May 3302 Jaques’ Orbis has been roaming the galaxy for over 40 years. Now, after more than four decades of travel, Jaques is about to embark on his most ambitious expedition yet – a long-distance jump from Gliese 1269 to Beagle Point.

19 Feb 3301 After a week of wandering in HIP 110620 the Jaques Starport is now making its way through HIP 110079. GalNet is still no closer to learning the reason behind the station’s unexpected return, nor can we ascertain where the cyborg barman’s ultimate destination may be.

12 February 3301 It’s been some time since Jaques began his epic journey from orbit around the moon of Topaz into the mysterious places of the great unknown. A week ago we reported that Jacques Station was seen by an intrepid commander in HIP 110620.

07 February 3301 Some years ago Jaques’ Station left its orbit around the moon of Topaz. It’s mission? To discover new beverages, explore distant stars, and bravely go where no starport had been before. When the starport left on its journey the station was being captained by the toughest barman in all of occupied space, a part-Cyborg known only by the moniker of Jaques.



Systems visited by Jaques prior to the jump to Colonia:

?? Topaz moon-??

? Feb 3301 - 19 Feb 3301 wandering around HIP 110620

19 Feb 3301 Journeying through HIP 110079 - Unknown date

-16 months gap on Jaques’ activities!-

19 May 3302 Jaques jumped from Gliese 1269. Beagle Point was the intended destination, jump expected to take a week but he went missing

28 Jun 3302 Jaques found in Eol Prou RS-T d3-94 (Colonia)

The inconsistency is regarding the actual jump date. Since the three saboteurs from ’The Hands of the Architects’ were arrested & held in custody at Jaques Station on 20 May 3302 the jump is highly unlikely to have been before that date; he may have jumped that day or the next, despite galnet report 26 May 3302 saying “despite setting off almost a week ago”, which sort of implies 20th. But seems strange that attempted sabotage of the fsd didn't delay the jump for a few days!

The major gaps are between from whenever he left Topaz to Feb 3301, and from 19 Feb 3301 to 19 May 3302 when Jaques seems to have gone missing. I thought there was more info available on his movements, so it may be in the Codex (haven’t checked TB!). Moreover we are told in the Wiki that he had to upgrade his original Coriolis to a more resilient Orbis, but that’s not discussed in galnet.

Yes that’s how I recall it now, the series of jumps were so few I recall I gave them not much credence.

I have since updated my little map to show Topez.

We know now the ‘Caretakers’ and the ‘Visions’ were part of the discarded Guardian narrative. We also know that the bombing of Jaques port was essentially a player initiative?

I do wonder how much of Jaques original narrative path was retained or did players throw a spanner in the works and FD decided to divert it?

I suspect the the bombing was a happy coincidence and FD just ran with it. Swapping one method of intervention with another… And that Jaques was just ‘supposed’ to have stayed lost for some considerable time whilst the Caretaker/Guardian narrative was played out…

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Oh, I’m convinced that FD fully expected Jaques (& several other stations) to be UA bombed. You could see it coming!! They just timed it appropriately. Very soon thereafter it was (planned!) found that MetaAlloys repaired the damage!

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Oh, I’m convinced that FD fully expected Jaques (& several other stations) to be UA bombed. You could see it coming!! They just timed it appropriately. Very soon thereafter it was (planned!) found that MetaAlloys repaired the damage!

I'd say this was expected and endorsed by FDev. I'd also be really hesitant to say they dropped the narrative. The fact no one has seen Jaques at his station is proof that may be the case. This may be a case of putting the narrative to the side while other plot lines develop further possibly. The Elite lore often has actions that happened earlier that prove consequential. Fortunately, most of the world's wisdom is deduced from consulting the oracular dead (as evidence never lies). Let's hope CMDRs start realizing they need to play the long game, too, with the lore. The past is after all, the lesson.

 

[Han_Zen]

Hypothetical question: When Horizons came out do you think FDev would have changed it to a POI on a landable moon? Does the Codex hint if we are dealing with something orbital (the "omphalos rift") or surface based? I doubt they would put Raxxla behind a low atmosphere body so all CMDRs would have a fair shot. With the addition of FSS, they could at least hide Raxxla by requiring the body be subjected to detailed surface scan.

It would not surprise me if Raxxla or it's active part (Omphalos rift?) has been updated, as the game has expanded. As long as no one finds Raxxla FD can fiddle with it, as they like. It would at least be risky to assume it works in the same way as when the game was released.

 

[Thatchinho]

Raxxla pre-2296 Discovery​

What if one of the early Hyperspace test jumps went wrong but the pilot made it back alive to report what they saw as they bounced around in time and space, and that was whatever Raxxla is - exactly like Halsey and Jaques did.

Yeah, this and associated alternatives is something that’s been talked about before on the thread.

One point however is that Halsey and Jacques had different experiences.

Halsey, unless I’m much mistaken, had her visions while floating in real space. That and Gan Romero’s visions introduce the possibility that the rumour of Raxxla came from visions rather than from something physical - so no need for hyperspace misjumps.

Jacques’s experience was much more of a traditional misjump. As I understand it, there was considerable risk in early hyperspace transits, including misjumps. The question for me is just how far we take it. Do we just treat it as space displacement, or do we include time, and even more esoterically, displacement to other universes.

One thing I’d just like to add on Halsey and Romero is that it appears that those visions aren’t random, but are directed. A possibility that has to be considered is that the source of those isn’t the caretakers/architects but is actually from a human source.

Another thing to consider on the visions front is whether those visions are happening directly in the brain, or are being done via brain implants. If it’s via the brain implants, then there’s a dependency on that tech for any visions. I’m not aware of any dates for the introduction of that kind of tech however.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Halsey, unless I’m much mistaken, had her visions while floating in real space. That and Gan Romero’s visions introduce the possibility that the rumour of Raxxla came from visions rather than from something physical - so no need for hyperspace misjumps.

Starship One was destroyed in the Witchspace tunnel (hyperspace).

From "Shades of the Antares Incident":
“I’m told the early investigations from telemetry and uplink data suggest an explosive drive failure destroyed Starship One in hyperspace, catapulting all three of her protective Guardian Wing out of hyperspace. Wreckage is likely spread across interstellar space. I’m told there are parallels with the loss of the Highliner Antares way back in 3251 when she was lost with all hands on her maiden voyage.”

From "The loss of Starship One linked to Mechanical Failure":
The Federal Navy has today released its official report into the disappearance of Starship One. As expected, the 600,000 word document provides a detailed analysis of the inner workings of Starship One.

The report confirms that the abnormal energy signature detected by Guardian Wing Alpha, immediately prior to Starship One’s last known jump, was almost certainly caused by mechanical failure. The report includes an in depth comparison with the failure of the Highliner Antares and concludes there were remarkable similarities in the unusual failure mode, and it is still unclear why the automatic shutdown systems did not operate (most of which were not present on the Antares). The failure began with a power surge in the central power plant – something not especially unusual in a high capacity hydrogen reactor – causing several other core systems to overload.

Despite going over hours of evidence, including video feeds detailing the last several days of life aboard all four ships of Starflight One, investigators were not able to identify any signs of foul play. In the end, the team has concluded that the cause of Starship One’s loss was a complex multi-stage engine failure.

 

[Thatchinho]

Starship One was destroyed in the Witchspace tunnel (hyperspace).

From "Shades of the Antares Incident":
“I’m told the early investigations from telemetry and uplink data suggest an explosive drive failure destroyed Starship One in hyperspace, catapulting all three of her protective Guardian Wing out of hyperspace. Wreckage is likely spread across interstellar space. I’m told there are parallels with the loss of the Highliner Antares way back in 3251 when she was lost with all hands on her maiden voyage.”

From "The loss of Starship One linked to Mechanical Failure":
The Federal Navy has today released its official report into the disappearance of Starship One. As expected, the 600,000 word document provides a detailed analysis of the inner workings of Starship One.

The report confirms that the abnormal energy signature detected by Guardian Wing Alpha, immediately prior to Starship One’s last known jump, was almost certainly caused by mechanical failure. The report includes an in depth comparison with the failure of the Highliner Antares and concludes there were remarkable similarities in the unusual failure mode, and it is still unclear why the automatic shutdown systems did not operate (most of which were not present on the Antares). The failure began with a power surge in the central power plant – something not especially unusual in a high capacity hydrogen reactor – causing several other core systems to overload.

Despite going over hours of evidence, including video feeds detailing the last several days of life aboard all four ships of Starflight One, investigators were not able to identify any signs of foul play. In the end, the team has concluded that the cause of Starship One’s loss was a complex multi-stage engine failure.

Yes, but my point wasn’t about the nature of the accident but where the visions happened.

Halsey wasn’t found in hyperspace, she was found in real space. (Taking what was reported in Galnet at face value anyway.)

Her visions seem to link to her time floating in her escape pod in real space.

“A reporter from the Alliance Tribune asked President Halsey what it was like to drift through space for so long:

"It was wonderful. Amazing. I saw the universe, and our galaxy within it, as I'd never seen it before, and I felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy. The paradox of their existence – tiny yet gargantuan, fleeting yet eternal. They spoke to me as I drifted in the void. It was amazing. I must share their message."”

(From https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57023a099657baf74c71f6e8 )

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Yes, but my point wasn’t about the nature of the accident but where the visions happened.

Halsey wasn’t found in hyperspace, she was found in real space. (Taking what was reported in Galnet at face value anyway.)

Her visions seem to link to her time floating in her escape pod in real space.

“A reporter from the Alliance Tribune asked President Halsey what it was like to drift through space for so long:

"It was wonderful. Amazing. I saw the universe, and our galaxy within it, as I'd never seen it before, and I felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy. The paradox of their existence – tiny yet gargantuan, fleeting yet eternal. They spoke to me as I drifted in the void. It was amazing. I must share their message."”

(From https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57023a099657baf74c71f6e8 )

I find it infinitely amusing that the following keeps happening...

CMDRs:
We love the mysteries and stories connected to Elite. I wish we knew more of it was canonical...

{Example shown of older lore playing a much larger role}.

Followed immediately by the existential dread.

Source: https://media.giphy.com/media/gCL5fOMAVijWE/giphy.gif

 

[Thatchinho]

I find it infinitely amusing that the following keeps happening...

CMDRs:
We love the mysteries and stories connected to Elite. I wish we knew more of it was canonical...

{Example shown of older lore playing a much larger role}.

Followed immediately by the existential dread.

Source: https://media.giphy.com/media/gCL5fOMAVijWE/giphy.gif

I’m not sure if that was just a general observation or if it was about my posts.

If it’s the latter, then you are imagining and projecting something that isn’t actually there.

If it was the former, I’m not sure to what extent I would agree whether it happens generally or not.

I wish we knew more of it was canonical...

FWIW, this is absolutely not something I have never said. I like the mysteries, the myths and the legends, and I like them because that’s what they are and what they bring to the game. What I don’t agree with is us as players having (or being given) what is effectively preternatural knowledge (or GM / god level knowledge).