The holy mountain

Pondering again upon the term "Astrophel" where I’m entertaining the notion, what if it’s not literal but rather an archetype of unrequited love, because that theme does crop up regularly in other literature.

Given certain allusions from the works from M Brookes, in relevance to the Codex and Raxxla (who I believe is the chief architect) I am equally drawn to his brief association with Dante’s Divine Comedy.

Now Dantes model although highly detailed is not directly the same as that of the Miltonian model, they share many aspects and themes etc but Milton constructed his own version, and expanded it outwards; as to if Brookes saw such a division is an unknown.


Dantes love is for Beatrice, who serves as an idealised love and muse, a guiding force through his spiritual journey.

The Love which moves the sun and other stars

then a great flash of understanding struck my mind, and suddenly its wish was granted. At this point power failed high fantasy but, like a wheel in perfect balance turning, I felt my will and my desire impelled by the Love that moves the sun and the other stars’.

The term Astrophel means star lover, and is an invention of Philip Sidney no other, some identify it as a male prefix. In the ED codex it is used alongside a female pronoun by the use of the term princess. Grouped descriptively also with ‘spiralling’ stars?

Logically the use of the term children’s book, may well relate to Elite Legacy. So I’ve been wondering what ties that book to Dante?

In Legacy the character Hammer (Brookes) talks of the Beaumont system, nonexistent in game, but technically within the underworld zone!

The term Omphalos, in the codex may not necessarily relate directly to that of Delphi, because the word also was utilised in antiquity to describe a mound or hill.

The mount of purgatory in the Devine Comedy, arose with several terraces around it, from the underworld. There were a number of stars shown in the sky; could be imagined as spiralling as the pilgrim walked upwards?

Dante as like Sidney, drew upon principal inspiration of courtly love, for him that was Beatrice, who symbolised various aspects of theology, divine love, wisdom and as the voice for God. She was integral as Dante’s guide, especially through the spheres towards the Empyrean.

So could the use of Astrophel in the codex, be a potential metaphor for Beatrice?

Of course there are no systems in game called Beatrice, although Beetrix might be a candidate, yet I believe it’s too far removed to be applicable.

But Beatrice was only one character out of a multitude in the poem. The primary character who is actually leading Dante is Mary, otherwise known as ‘Our Lady’ Dante also referred to her as a star and as the ‘Queen of Heaven’. Could Beatrice through her prominence as Dante’s guide be considered a Princess through similitude to Mary?

The poem is therefore could also be thought of a map to heaven, with the stars illuminating the way.

‘The sound of that sweet flower’s name,
the one I pray to night and day, drew all my soul into the vision of that flame of flames; and when both of my eyes revealed to me how rich and glorious was that living star that reigns in Heaven, as it had reigned on Earth, down from Heaven’s height there came a flaming torch shaped in a ring, as if it were a crown, that spun around the glory of her light’.


However, there remains several aspects with the Devine Comedy and the Codex, which cannot be identified, as much I feel these are evidence enough this direction is a folly.

Firstly Paradise, aka Eden is easily identified as being on the summit of the mountain of purgatory, the river Lethe (in game) springs from this exact location.

There is a system named after a section of the poem Paradiso, but it does not seemingly align with the other identifying elements so far uncovered.

Dante also explores elements of ‘lovers woe’ with the characters Paolo and Francesca, essentially literatures first star-crossed lovers; neither of these are in game.

So either the in-game author has mixed their source materials, and chosen only certain aspects for inclusion; or the puzzle follows no known contextual logic; or more likely Dante is a false lead?

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Place that isn't a place is a liminal place, either a place of transit to another area or a mythical land existing outside of our perception, but actually inside the same dimension. An Otherworld.
Says "a term used by Lucan in his description of the Celtic Otherworld."

leads to "Lucan Onionhead"

So lets get some Onionhead! It'll take us to RAXXLA.

Lol, would ve hilarious if you needed that on board.
 
Says "a term used by Lucan in his description of the Celtic Otherworld."

leads to "Lucan Onionhead"

So lets get some Onionhead! It'll take us to RAXXLA.

Lol, would ve hilarious if you needed that on board.

One might - but it’s doubtful.

Why is Onionhead in game? It’s a narcotic, and by discussing it FD are engaged in PEGI 18 themes?

It originated in the system of Panem, from the Latin "bread and circuses" used to describe entertainment capitalised to distract public attention from more important matters!
 
Robert Holdstock said so. In "The Dark Wheel", and also in his 1980 book "The Alien World: The Complete Illustrated Guide".

In "The Dark Wheel": "Raxxla was described as a mythical planet which held an alien construct that served as a gateway to other universes. A corps of Elite-ranked pilots was suspected to have found Raxxla and exploited the gateway for their own selfish purposes, and hired assassins to eliminate any independent pilots and members of the Dark Wheel who tried to uncover Raxxla".

I ask again, why the belt cluster stuff? Genuinely curious. Belt clusters are useless usually, so what clue points to them being relevant?
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Robert Holdstock didnt design or programme Elite Dangerous. We dont know how well, if at all, that original definition of Raxxla applies to Raxxla within ED. DB said we "don't know what Raxxla is", the implication of that is that Raxxla within ED may well not be a planet.

I'm still expecting a hidden Guardian ark ship, after millenia of space dust accretion probably now resembling a hollow asteroid, and undetectable until you get up close.
 
Well yes, it could be an invisible teapot orbiting a pink unicorn, or The Friends We Made Along The Way, but I prefer to go on what the bloke who actually invented it said.
I didn't think the Guardians were associated with Raxxla - is that in the lore anywhere?
 
One might - but it’s doubtful.

Why is Onionhead in game? It’s a narcotic, and by discussing it FD are engaged in PEGI 18 themes?

It originated in the system of Panem, from the Latin "bread and circuses" used to describe entertainment capitalised to distract public attention from more important matters!
Panem / Kappa Fornacis features heavily in Legacy.
It is an agricultural system that supplied Freeholm. So there may be some kind of tenuous significance?

The Genius Loci I mentioned earlier often are depicted with cornucopias. Similarly there could be a Greek / Roman mythology connection - Demeter, or Tyche / Fortuna.
 
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Robert Holdstock didnt design or programme Elite Dangerous. We dont know how well, if at all, that original definition of Raxxla applies to Raxxla within ED. DB said we "don't know what Raxxla is", the implication of that is that Raxxla within ED may well not be a planet.

I'm still expecting a hidden Guardian ark ship, after millenia of space dust accretion probably now resembling a hollow asteroid, and undetectable until you get up close.
Personally I still expect it to be some form of planet.
Before ED the only time Raxxla is mentioned in any official context, is in the Dark Wheel description. If they made Raxxla something else than that, it wouldn't really be Raxxla. It would be something else, that FD gave the same name.

Even UC calls it a planet:
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The word 'Planet' is however quite vague. The original description of a ghost planet makes it even more vague. Even an artificial object of sufficient size and with an approximately spherical shape, could be considered a planet.
The main problem with an artificial object ist that it would require a custom made, in-game 3D object. For quite a few years after release, all such object had to be loaded locally from the game client. Even now it would mean a lot of data to load from server.
It is more likely that Raxxla uses a standard object, with some minor overrides.
 
Personally I still expect it to be some form of planet.
Before ED the only time Raxxla is mentioned in any official context, is in the Dark Wheel description. If they made Raxxla something else than that, it wouldn't really be Raxxla. It would be something else, that FD gave the same name.

Even UC calls it a planet:
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The word 'Planet' is however quite vague. The original description of a ghost planet makes it even more vague. Even an artificial object of sufficient size and with an approximately spherical shape, could be considered a planet.
The main problem with an artificial object ist that it would require a custom made, in-game 3D object. For quite a few years after release, all such object had to be loaded locally from the game client. Even now it would mean a lot of data to load from server.
It is more likely that Raxxla uses a standard object, with some minor overrides.

Good find, had forgotten about that one, so planet might be a candidate.

However my own interactions with Support identified that they utilised and quoted thirdhand information, such as Wiki, so I’m unsure of the reliability?

However, this could relate with the ‘garden design’ which if reliable, potentially describes a system and therein would seem to highlight a particular body.

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Good find, hand forgotten about that one, so planet might be a candidate.

However my own interactions with Support identified that they utilised and quoted thirdhand information, such as Wiki, so I’m unsure of the reliability?

However, this could relate with the ‘garden design’ which if reliable, potentially describes a system and therein would seem to highlight a particular body.

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Send ship logs.... Presumably that's the session logs? How would someone on Xbox do that?

And PLANET... Seem to remember someone pointed out the italic first part and non italic T
 
Good find, had forgotten about that one, so planet might be a candidate.

However my own interactions with Support identified that they utilised and quoted thirdhand information, such as Wiki, so I’m unsure of the reliability?

However, this could relate with the ‘garden design’ which if reliable, potentially describes a system and therein would seem to highlight a particular body.

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To my mind the interesting thing about that diagram is that the final "body" is adjacent to a gate/way to the next garden -I'm assuming the latter is "Raxxla"! 😊
 
Well yes, it could be an invisible teapot orbiting a pink unicorn, or The Friends We Made Along The Way, but I prefer to go on what the bloke who actually invented it said.
I didn't think the Guardians were associated with Raxxla - is that in the lore anywhere?
Well, if you're relying on Holdstock IIRC he originally defined Raxxla as an alien race.
 
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‘Raxxla’ as a creative construct, not some alien meguffin, was indeed developed as a word by Holdstock initially through ‘Alien World’ published in 1980, this predated his other work for Bell and Braben, The Dark Wheel that published in 1984.

As it’s been established, Bell and Braben did not develop the concept of Raxxla, nor the story for the DW, this was purely an invention of Holdstock who was asked to write an accompanying work for the game “that showed the basic rules of the game”.

It’s only logical that as a writer, looking for a story to flesh out, what was essentially just a short story, he would evidently like all artists, re-purpose concepts he had previously developed. It need not actually be a detailed progression of linear chronology.

This is a concept I suspect some gamers have a real difficulty contextualising, that artists sometimes just make stuff up and change things or at a granular level at least things might not mean anything.

Yes there was the Alien Worlds - but it has nothing to do with Elite Dangerous.

However, the concepts which Holdstock mined throughout his various works, do have relevance in his wider bodies of work and there is cross-over.

In Elite Dangerous, I suspect M Brookes built the current Raxxla mystery as a homage to Holdstock, with Raxxla being only one part to it, but evidently I believe, Brookes has utilised these and contextualised them in regards to Holdstocks wider concepts.

So holistically they all are relevant, but probably not chronologically, and likely not singularly.
 
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In the book Alien World.
It's a collection of of drawings with alien and space motif and some short description. It was written by Robert Holdstock under the pseudonyme Steven Eisler.

It has nothing to do with Elite at all.
In that book he said it was a planet as well, didn't he? According to the references I've seen.
This says it is Polaris: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/8a6nl2/a_missing_raxxla_link_please_just_hear_me_out/
 
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Yes. It was originally a race of aliens, then in another work a planet, but FD has intentionally introduced doubts with their own less definitive descriptions, it ‘could be’ a planet. It ‘likely’ given the constraints of the game, is a planet or moon, but it might not be… it’s not a certainty.

I suspect it likely will be in a specific system, around a specific body, that’s based upon the in game descriptions, the locational nature of the codex clues, and ‘potential’ additional clues, such as the Garden design, which seem to sit well within a Miltonian concept; but what it ultimately is and what it does is a mystery, but I wonder given the above if it’s also a state of cosmic enlightenment, and therefore more than just a moon or planet.

This is where the writing is interesting because it might still just be an esoteric concept that can never truly be resolved. The mythology certainly around Holsdstock revolves around this concept of a Mythago ‘A myth made real and given life and being once given life it may grow and change in its own right, becoming something other than it was’.

In your link it talks of associations with Egyptian mythology, this is ultimately rather a restrictive perception which ultimately may be shaping the data to fit the source; I would advocate the concept is much much larger. I would recommend reading M Brookes initial concept of ‘The Space in between’ and then re evaluate.

But Arthur from FD did say ‘it’s big it’s been going on along time the payoff should be huge’… so this advocates it can be resolved, or will be resolvable?
 
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The original Dark Wheel description - combined with the Codex description - also does include a bit more ambiguity.
Different - but associated - things can have the same name: is "Colonia" a nebula, a star system, or an inhabited region. Of course, it's all three.
So in the original Dark Wheel ... is Raxxla the planet, or the alien gateway there? The Codex certainly blurs the two concepts a bit.


In game terms:
- we started the game not able to land on planets, so either Raxxla is a planet and discovering it a simple matter of "find the planet called Raxxla", or the object we're looking for is actually orbiting the planet, and we'll know the planet is Raxxla because it has an alien gateway orbiting it, rather than because it shows up as "Raxxla" on the navigation panel.
- that gets back to "if it's a planet and near the bubble, why has no-one already found it?". Planets aren't exactly difficult to find; in/near-bubble space has been thoroughly scanned by conventional means


Possibilities if it is a planet:
- it's not all that near the bubble. My recent tour I was finding unscanned planets 600 LY out and entirely fresh systems 1000 LY out, which is still pretty close
- it's a hidden planet, so it won't show up on FSS or the old ADS; it's a long way out of the system and you have to pick it up with parallax (like the old BDS/IDS would have trained us to)
- it's in a hidden star system, so you'd first have to find that by noticing a suspicious extra star on the skybox from a nearby system, then figure out a way to get there.
 
It might have been a planet as well or a system. I don't remember.

The Egyptian connection is always interesting. Particularly when it comes to Sirius.
 
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