The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Just rewatched Guru951's part 1 vid on Raxxla...he seems to be focusing on Orion's Belt since that's where the Egyptian pyramids originally aligned and part of The Alien World storyline. However the Alien World's description of Oisir-Raxxla sector being hidden behind a "Night Wall" (dark region?) and "the Saramandarian pearls cluster" reminded me of the Formidine Rift, & the line of bright stars leading out towards it (on the way to the Heart & Soul Nebulae), and the descriptions of the FRift logs. In particular:
FORMIDINE RIFT ALPHA MISSION 5/6
Expedition Log 07/10/3270
"I'm scared... help me someone... I can't bear another jump. The lights in witch-space are coming for me. The lights... always the lights... they're calling to me... a siren song... I must join them..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 4/6
Expedition Log: 01/10/3270
"We picked up some kind of bizarre signal yesterday. Whatever it was wasn't human. At least, that's the scuttlebutt going around the decks. Everyone is looking out of the canopies now. We're seeing some strange lights during hyperspace transits. Terror? Yeah, we got some of that ..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 5/6
Expedition Log: 11/11/3270
"More strange lights. We've got equipment malfunctions, scanners dropping in and out, systems restarting. Ship is limping on. Everyone wants to turn about, but if we don't complete the mission we don't get paid. No one wants to give up those credits either. You expect to turn around and see ..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 6/6
Expedition Log: 29/11/3270
"We're done and we're heading home. We picked up some heat signature in the last system. Definitely something there and it wasn't any profile I had seen before. Something was watching us. There's something evil out here, and it doesn't like company!"
We have in the past speculated that the Thargoid storyline was originally based out beyond the FRift and moved for some FD-related reason to Col70 region. But I'm now wondering if that "evil heat signature" detection was perhaps indicating Oisir-Raxxlan sector is Bovomit...it is getting near Halloween!
FORMIDINE RIFT ALPHA MISSION 5/6
Expedition Log 07/10/3270
"I'm scared... help me someone... I can't bear another jump. The lights in witch-space are coming for me. The lights... always the lights... they're calling to me... a siren song... I must join them..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 4/6
Expedition Log: 01/10/3270
"We picked up some kind of bizarre signal yesterday. Whatever it was wasn't human. At least, that's the scuttlebutt going around the decks. Everyone is looking out of the canopies now. We're seeing some strange lights during hyperspace transits. Terror? Yeah, we got some of that ..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 5/6
Expedition Log: 11/11/3270
"More strange lights. We've got equipment malfunctions, scanners dropping in and out, systems restarting. Ship is limping on. Everyone wants to turn about, but if we don't complete the mission we don't get paid. No one wants to give up those credits either. You expect to turn around and see ..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 6/6
Expedition Log: 29/11/3270
"We're done and we're heading home. We picked up some heat signature in the last system. Definitely something there and it wasn't any profile I had seen before. Something was watching us. There's something evil out here, and it doesn't like company!"
We have in the past speculated that the Thargoid storyline was originally based out beyond the FRift and moved for some FD-related reason to Col70 region. But I'm now wondering if that "evil heat signature" detection was perhaps indicating Oisir-Raxxlan sector is Bovomit...it is getting near Halloween!
Getting to Belt Cluster 3 directly from super-cruise looks impossible.
So I've loaded up my Viper Mk III with fuel tanks and are now headed in normal space to the belt. I hope there's enough fuel...
So I've loaded up my Viper Mk III with fuel tanks and are now headed in normal space to the belt. I hope there's enough fuel...
Just rewatched Guru951's part 1 vid on Raxxla...he seems to be focusing on Orion's Belt since that's where the Egyptian pyramids originally aligned and part of The Alien World storyline. However the Alien World's description of Oisir-Raxxla sector being hidden behind a "Night Wall" (dark region?) and "the Saramandarian pearls cluster" reminded me of the Formidine Rift, & the line of bright stars leading out towards it (on the way to the Heart & Soul Nebulae), and the descriptions of the FRift logs. In particular:
FORMIDINE RIFT ALPHA MISSION 5/6
Expedition Log 07/10/3270
"I'm scared... help me someone... I can't bear another jump. The lights in witch-space are coming for me. The lights... always the lights... they're calling to me... a siren song... I must join them..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 4/6
Expedition Log: 01/10/3270
"We picked up some kind of bizarre signal yesterday. Whatever it was wasn't human. At least, that's the scuttlebutt going around the decks. Everyone is looking out of the canopies now. We're seeing some strange lights during hyperspace transits. Terror? Yeah, we got some of that ..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 5/6
Expedition Log: 11/11/3270
"More strange lights. We've got equipment malfunctions, scanners dropping in and out, systems restarting. Ship is limping on. Everyone wants to turn about, but if we don't complete the mission we don't get paid. No one wants to give up those credits either. You expect to turn around and see ..."
FORMIDINE RIFT GAMMA MISSION 6/6
Expedition Log: 29/11/3270
"We're done and we're heading home. We picked up some heat signature in the last system. Definitely something there and it wasn't any profile I had seen before. Something was watching us. There's something evil out here, and it doesn't like company!"
We have in the past speculated that the Thargoid storyline was originally based out beyond the FRift and moved for some FD-related reason to Col70 region. But I'm now wondering if that "evil heat signature" detection was perhaps indicating Oisir-Raxxlan sector is Bovomit...it is getting near Halloween!
Ya I also believe Orion is linked... Its the location of the Thargoid / Guardian Battle site... I have suspicions about the Formadine rift too - it might be where the "Other" group went... I say other because Im not sure... Im guessing its either the mythical second race of Thargoids or possibly the leftover Guardians or their AI Creations... Leaning more towards the Guardian/AI...
YA im still playing around with the Welsh/Celtic Mythos
The invasion of Anwwn by Arthur and the invasion of Ireland by Bran the Blessed have very similar paths...
Treating Ireland as the Otherworld... Much like there have been rumors of Two groups of Thargoids in our universe (or could the comparison be made with the Thargoids and the Guardians), there were two groups of otherworldly beings on Ireland ... the Tuatha De Danann and the Fomorians. I will point out here the vague similarity in sound between Fomorians and Formidine - but there is probably nothing to it...
There is a Battle between the Tuatha De Danann and the Fomorians... The Battle of Magh Tuireadh.
Balor - a leader of the Fomorians... is a kind of Cyclops.... Balors Head was laid its blood soaked into a tree which made stronger wood. Its blood also formed a lake... Balors Eye.
And yes I was also wondering about our upcomming Halloween...Samhain... The walls between here and there will be thin... Might be a good time to chek areas you think could have portals...
I think it has alot to do with Aldous Huxley (Heaven and Hell) and the connection of Hallucinogenics with IndoEuropean Soma -Norse Suttungs Mead... and Taliesin gains his abilities through ingesting three drops of a special brew... A somewhat dubious path to enlightenment
Remember in MBs book - the only mention of Raxxla is when she goes to Panem...
Yes that’s what Im getting at, it’s an obvious plot device, but this is a PEGI level game, the open promotion of drugs etc (especially through skins) etc although not overt, is an area where a company wanting to keep within that limit, might not want to necessarily endorse. It always struck me as odd.
I’m probably overthinking it. And that’s the problem with ED. There is very little consistency. I’m more inclined to suspect Onionhead was another parallel environmental storyline, like the Far God cult etc, but probably dropped / due to some narrative / business changes, or just never fully exploited.
Panem Is in Kappa Fornacis, home to Dragons of Kappa Fornacis.
Dragons…
But again the Codex ought to be the key, there currently doesn’t seem to be any mention of mechanical aspects towards activation. As with Trinkets I suspect they ‘used’ to be involved but not are not a requirement. In my interpretation it mostly if not wholly locational.
On this tack the codex might allude in its last couple of chapters a potential need for being allied, since it does discuss despots etc? But again these are two a penny in ED…
There is 656 smaller factions with the name Dragon, in the title.
I’m probably overthinking it. And that’s the problem with ED. There is very little consistency. I’m more inclined to suspect Onionhead was another parallel environmental storyline, like the Far God cult etc, but probably dropped / due to some narrative / business changes, or just never fully exploited.
Panem Is in Kappa Fornacis, home to Dragons of Kappa Fornacis.
Dragons…
But again the Codex ought to be the key, there currently doesn’t seem to be any mention of mechanical aspects towards activation. As with Trinkets I suspect they ‘used’ to be involved but not are not a requirement. In my interpretation it mostly if not wholly locational.
On this tack the codex might allude in its last couple of chapters a potential need for being allied, since it does discuss despots etc? But again these are two a penny in ED…
There is 656 smaller factions with the name Dragon, in the title.
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Thar God?
Ya i wondered why they didnt continue with dreamware - because i think it is a continuation of that storyline. I suspect it is like u pointed out - dragons. And dragons/ snakes i think are associated with what ive been calling Gaea the earth goddess - makes sense that you would want something more earthy for your hallucinogen.
Im suspecting their purpose was some sort of offering to the guardian of one of the “portals”. Possibly different offerings dependent on the portal being used - the upper portal for the sky/ lightning god lower portal for earth goddess. Hence the reason Lucas Byzantium got caught with al that Dreamware in imperial space (FFE)…. Lucan…
Somewhat related to this and Macros Black's current investigations - the other in-game component to consider are asteroids which I recall being discussed earlier. Not the specific Asteroid Station assets, but more like a trick FDev could be employing to creatively exploit the existing asteroid asset spawning to conceal this so-called "unremarkable moon".
In other words, use a banal "unremarkable" asset in a way that does not flag it as unique or identifiable via standard body detection or other brute force methods. If there was a player that passed through the system, there is a very good chance they weren't checking for named bodies, or even knew about Raxxla - assuming the body is named.
There are known bodies in the game that can be as small as 200km or so in diameter. These would still appear on a system map so if the rumour of "unremarkable moon" is an overt clue then we would simply have to find the correct system to discover Raxxla - even if the body is unnamed. Fairly straightforward with the current FSS once the mystery's path is found.
Another possible scenario is that FDev don't want us to stumble across a planetary body because it would be easier to detect at a larger range (the primary method to identify bodies pre-Horizons), so they exploit the asteroid generation system to spawn a moon-sized asteroid which does not get listed as a body or station, and which can sit comfortably in a belt or ring. The theory is certainly a stretch, but I do wonder what lengths FDev have gone to disguise Raxxla so that players can ONLY find it via mystery puzzling.
It does also relate to the FDev stream where they were talking about Raxxla whilst presenting the asteroid deep core mining gameplay.
A little lightbulb flickered in my head...
"Anything" = this is telling us that anything about a system can be a candidate - or even a contextual clue to find it.
State of cosmic enlightenment - a system's STATE is defined by factors determined by the Stellar Forge, BGS etc.
Could this be a clue that Raxxla is hidden within a settled system??? and a state such as 'Elated' happiness could get us closer to revealing it?
Combined with the above concealment trickery, it could be hidden in the bubble very easily.
"A definite place" - the only way Raxxla can exist in the game is within a star system - via Stellar Forge.
"Anything" = this is telling us that anything about a system can be a candidate - or even a contextual clue to find it.
State of cosmic enlightenment - a system's STATE is defined by factors determined by the Stellar Forge, BGS etc.
Could this be a clue that Raxxla is hidden within a settled system??? and a state such as 'Elated' happiness could get us closer to revealing it?
Combined with the above concealment trickery, it could be hidden in the bubble very easily.
Happiness is a derived variable, so a requirement for Elated would mainly be a requirement for some combination of Boom/Investment + Civil Liberty + Public Holiday. Only the first three of those states existed when the Codex was published and Happiness introduced, and only the first two before that (with the pre-3.3 Investment being very different in both cause and effect to the current one, and also not in the original release of the BGS)
It's certainly possible to get state-specific POIs (and always has been), but the Boom state is the most common possibility so wouldn't be a great concealment and all of the others [edit: the others involved in Elated, that is] can't have been the original way it was hidden.
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Wasn’t the BGS initially not an intended player game aspect?
I recall initially how players wanted to manipulate the BGS early on and FD were not keen upon it, they eventually relented on this and now it’s seen as generally acceptable, but I’m certain it initially was not intended to be interpreted as such?
I recall initially how players wanted to manipulate the BGS early on and FD were not keen upon it, they eventually relented on this and now it’s seen as generally acceptable, but I’m certain it initially was not intended to be interpreted as such?
Tricky one to say.
- it was absolutely intended to be affected by player actions from the very start (nothing else moves it, after all) as a way of creating a dynamic galaxy
- deliberate focused action with a goal in mind, rather than it just having the effects of what people were doing anyway maybe did take them by surprise a bit ... but as early as January 3301 they'd brought the early player manipulation in Lugh into the Galnet spotlight, less than a month after the game went live
- they'd certainly got the idea that it was going to happen and brought in changes with that in mind within the first year, and on an ongoing basis for several years after that
- and of course nowadays, they seem to be trying to go back to it primarily being a background thing, with Powerplay (v2) being the deliberately-influenced layer
I'd be surprised if deliberate BGS activity was required for anything Raxxla (though, of course, I'd be surprised if it was in an inhabited system at all!) but something which could arise accidentally and temporarily like a BGS state being used to confound brute-force searching of the bubble while only being a minor barrier to someone who knows where to look I guess isn't completely impossible with that in mind.
- it was absolutely intended to be affected by player actions from the very start (nothing else moves it, after all) as a way of creating a dynamic galaxy
- deliberate focused action with a goal in mind, rather than it just having the effects of what people were doing anyway maybe did take them by surprise a bit ... but as early as January 3301 they'd brought the early player manipulation in Lugh into the Galnet spotlight, less than a month after the game went live
- they'd certainly got the idea that it was going to happen and brought in changes with that in mind within the first year, and on an ongoing basis for several years after that
- and of course nowadays, they seem to be trying to go back to it primarily being a background thing, with Powerplay (v2) being the deliberately-influenced layer
I'd be surprised if deliberate BGS activity was required for anything Raxxla (though, of course, I'd be surprised if it was in an inhabited system at all!) but something which could arise accidentally and temporarily like a BGS state being used to confound brute-force searching of the bubble while only being a minor barrier to someone who knows where to look I guess isn't completely impossible with that in mind.
Well I used the post below back in the day (early 2016 I would guess) to take control of Hodack Prison colony single handed when the faction I was trying to expand jumped there randomly (I wasn't that skilled to expand to specific systems)
A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim
The Mercs of Mikunn: The BackgroundSim and Colonization Test A Minor Faction and Background Sim Guide (Game Release 2.2 Under Construction) Introduction: Hello CMDR's. I'm going to share all of my groups knowledge on the background simulator and minor factions (I answer enough...
I remember playing the BGS was a big thing back then and encouraged to make your mark on the galaxy....
Wreaken Construction and Mining Corp... whatever happened to them
And of course... I did mess up fun for others but thought it would make protecting it easy
"The Hodack Prison Colony faction was one of 14 permit-holding factions that entered into an agreement on November 24, 3307 to maintain so-called Gatekeeper megaships to preserve interstellar trade regardless of local political shifts. These Gatekeeper megaships would be permanently stationed in systems adjacent to their corresponding permit-locked systems to ensure that pilots could reliably obtain permits. Varuna's Pledge was deployed in Pemoeri as the Hodack Prison Colony's Gatekeeper megaship."
The only other messing about with the BGS by Frontier I can remember would be in Shin Dez to stop the Pilots' Federation losing control to the Dark Wheel
This isn't accurate.
We all accept that there are places in the game that are narratively real and meaningful, but aren't physically visitable by us. Yet with Raxxla everyone is pretty determined that it must be physically present to exist in a meaningful way.
The White House on Mars, that's a definite place, right? It's featured in Galnet and the Codex lore, it's a place where the Federation is run from, the T1000 is there right now pretending to have emotions ... but it's not present in the meta-reality of the game in any way at all.
Just demonstrating here that because something in the lore can be said to be a "definite place" doesn't necessarily mean that it exists as a place we can physically visit (or see, actually). Therefore Raxxla can exist in the same way as the White House, or the Duval Palace, or the hospital bed of Seo Jin-ae.
Thee locations all have meaningful impacts on the game (more or less), but don't require physical places that we can even see, let alone visit.
Further to this: We can't overlook any part of the Codex. I firmly believe that part of the issue of this investigation is that from the moment the Codex dropped people have been cutting it up and examining individual lines or even words and spinning of theories from those isolated sections without considering how that fits the entire Codex. We need to consider the Codex as a whole, not just cherry pick bits and pieces and ignore the rest.
Consider why the Codex is very specific: "Atlantis, El Dorado and the kingdom of Prester John" are all mythical, non-real, non-physical places, but in the context of the fictional/mythical stories they exist within, they are definite places. I would say there's a very specific reason these three were used here as examples. I wrote about it at length on my thread.
In conclusion, I put to you that the Landscape Signal emanates from 'a definite place'. It's absolutely coming from a defined place that can be pointed to on the map. We can't visit there (yet) and I doubt there's anything physically there in the game world (yet), but it is absolutely a definite place the same way as any GPS coordinates can be considered 'definite places' on Earth, even if that's 300m above the surface of the Pacific Ocean.
The Landscape Signal is a 'definite place' that emits a real signal that matches all the markers for an intelligent alien transmission (Raxxla is alien, after all), and as I've pointed out many times, the Landscape Signal matches location clues in the Codex, and the concept of a galaxy-spanning signal matches other aspects of the Codex and lore.
And it could be an unremarkable moon?
In this thread it was already there, we were given an example of this signal, but it is not quite clear how to detect the real one and what to do about it.
About the example: inclusion in fss ability to track the arrival of Titans.
In the small hours lf the night a thought occurred...
IIRC either DB or MB said they were "surprised we hadn't found Raxxla by now"....
Or am I imagining that statement???
IIRC either DB or MB said they were "surprised we hadn't found Raxxla by now"....
Or am I imagining that statement???