The Quest To Find Raxxla

[SHEA PARDH]

And here in lies the rub. This ‘map’ if it is a map, isn’t really reliable, as it’s open to interpretation.

For me, first circle represents the cosmological model.

The second represents a system, inside that first circle. Denoted by the legend of 4 trees; this second circle shows I suspect (going off least common denominator) 4 bodies minimum. The first circle, again referred to via the trees represents the largest body in that system, it has a ring, possibly a moon.

It's not a map - it doesn't per say point you to anything specific. It's a bit like if someone took a map with "X" marks the spot and cut out the X and handed it to you. If this is meant to identify anything, at best we can look at a system when you're there and say - oh, this could be it. And where in that system is Raxxla supposed to be? It doesn't actually say anything related. The middle one is lit so it suggests that the ringed body is important and has 4 moons.

So, if we take this as we're on lookout for a ringed gas giant or a Class Y with 4 moons - that doesn't exactly narrow it down a whole lot. A ringed water world with 4 moons is a little more unusual - those rarely have moons to begin with - usually you see them in pairs and nothing around them, rings on them are fairly rare.

There are 2200+ water "things" with rings within 500 LY of Sol:

Elite: Dangerous Index

www.spansh.co.uk

 

[SHEA PARDH]

And here in lies the rub. This ‘map’ if it is a map, isn’t really reliable, as it’s open to interpretation. And isn’t openly promoted as a map. We’ve interpreted it as such.

We don’t know it is a map, but that first circle is pretty darn close to the Miltonian model… which I believe based upon my calculations, and now the missions (see my previous posts of mapping). and there’s a repeating logic to it, indicating a legend.

For me, first circle represents the cosmological model.

The second circle represents a system, inside that first circle. Denoted by the legend of 4 trees; this second circle shows I suspect (going off least common denominator) 4 bodies minimum.

The third circle, again referred to via the trees represents the largest body in that system, it has a ring, possibly a moon?

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This actually does line up very well - at least the leftmost part. But I'm not 100% sure what that's supposed to tell us. This lines up the inner circle on the left with the "our universe" from the analysis. So this would suggest to me that the middle is a ringed Class Y with 4 rocky moons, a water world or gas giant, and another moon? That would imply 6 body system to me. We can try that in some basic way.

There are 900+ gas giants with Class Y parents within 500 LY from Sol:

Elite: Dangerous Index

www.spansh.co.uk

There are ~150 more exotic giants with Class Y parents within 500 LY from Sol:

Elite: Dangerous Index

www.spansh.co.uk

There are ~100 water worlds with Class Y parents within 500LY from Sol:

Elite: Dangerous Index

www.spansh.co.uk

I suspect most of those Class Y parents have rings. Again, that doesn't seem to narrow it down a whole lot.

 

[Rochester]

It's not a map - it doesn't per say point you to anything specific. It's a bit like if someone took a map with "X" marks the spot and cut out the X and handed it to you. If this is meant to identify anything, at best we can look at a system when you're there and say - oh, this could be it. And where in that system is Raxxla supposed to be? It doesn't actually say anything related. The middle one is lit so it suggests that the ringed body is important and has 4 moons.

So, if we take this as we're on lookout for a ringed gas giant or a Class Y with 4 moons - that doesn't exactly narrow it down a whole lot. A ringed water world with 4 moons is a little more unusual - those rarely have moons to begin with - usually you see them in pairs and nothing around them, rings on them are fairly rare.

There are 2200+ water "things" with rings within 500 LY of Sol:

Elite: Dangerous Index

www.spansh.co.uk

True. This is an assumption.

If it is a map, I suspect it was part of an archaeological narrative. I believe if true, there are missing elements which corroborate it, it probably wasn’t supposed to exist in isolation, and it may be part of a redundant or expunged content, we don’t know.

I believe the codex is telling us to travel to the underworld, and find something, thats my interpretation, based upon the assessment the text aligns with the path of Persephone. Then there’s references to various mythical lost lands, which just so happen to exist in that area too. Then it gets a little vague.

The removed missions I’ve mapped and they have a focal area in that area.

The ‘map’ may be nonsense. But it might not. We don’t know what we are looking for, but I suspect we have a reasonable idea of where to search. Or maybe 3 places…

If that map is a map. Which just so happens to mirror the Milton model (true it could be a projection), then it had a purpose. That purpose as a map ought to follow a logic. Much like the DW codex where it tells us of an 8 mooned Jovian, this map could be doing the same, look for a system with so many bodies…

I don’t agree it’s a good map, I think it’s creative map but likely we’re missing something…there probably were various steps towards this.

If you know where the pendant globe ought to be, then this map reflects that, if you can replicate this in game, you have a smaller sphere of influence.

By that logical Raxxla ought to be on an eastern direction from the Alex of Chaos, that being very close to the Thetis signal. The alignment of said 2 signal from that story by my calculations do point in an Easterly direction, moving through the Greek Fates and Norse Norns.

We’re adrift in the wind, we can’t scrutinise every system. This ‘map’ maybe the final step in a long chain of events…

But I’m suspecting it’s only part of the ‘end goal’. The codex I believe is telling us to find someone else first… this ‘map’ may be redundant and part of an original set of clues now removed (we know FD removed the DW missions)…. The codex likely replaces much of this..and probably uses or identifies an alternate path?

If relevant the map may not be much use, but it may ‘corroborate’ other clues. If it’s still accurate it may be of assistance.

Currently I’m using it as a guide, keeping my eyes open for a system with one large ringed system, as I travel in certain hotspots within my projected model.

 

[Neestar]

BTW, I'm having fun exploring Orion Nebula as it's truly a maze - you can't use direct navigation there, and ship jump range is irrelevant -

newb question but: How do you make jumps or even get out of the nebula if you can't use "direct" navigation?
( i haven't visited that particular Orion nebula yet )

 

[SHEA PARDH]

What if the Brookes memorial beacons mark half of the path?

Labyrinth is Gehenna, essentially. This weird connection (I don't actually know where it's from) has been in gaming at least since Nethack. You are there, the sky is red, and Satan is staring at you from above.

Edit: Looking it up takes some time, so to save everyone this effort, there were many ancient "Labyrinths". Gehenna is an actual place (although disputed today as to exact location) close to Jerusalem. It was considered a place of divine punishment in the Jewish tradition. In the Jewish tradition also there is the Labyrinth of Jericho (yes, that ancient city), attributed to King Solomon. The main connection of the two is the biblical story of destruction of Gehenna (as a place of the wicked), with a premonition through the destruction of Jericho. Now, weirdly those two places aren't particularly close to each other, so how this got conflated over 2000 years, I have no idea. But now we have every RPG in the world and half of the current mainstream media placing the two together.

Witch Head Nebula is the Gates of Hell - aside from the sneaky backdoor through COL 69 (which may be an omission), it's the only way to get in and out of there. The lock on COL 70 is to support Miltonian universe narrative.

Of those two points, I'm ~100% certain. Brookes Memorial takes you to the "beginning" of the path.

Where does that place Pleiades, Synuefe CI-J b42-3, and Artemis - it would seem that Artemis is the "middle" of the path - our world. Alternatively, Synuefe CI-J b42-3 is the middle - the cosmic "life" place, and Artemis is where the Gates of Heaven are.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

newb question but: How do you make jumps or even get out of the nebula if you can't use "direct" navigation?
( i haven't visited that particular Orion nebula yet )

You can navigate by galmap if you point to something 500LY 200LY out.

Otherwise, you can jump through navpanel, but you'll be jumping in 5LY increments or so.

 

[Darrack]

newb question but: How do you make jumps or even get out of the nebula if you can't use "direct" navigation?
( i haven't visited that particular Orion nebula yet )

There's a route in starting at Synuefe MJ-N b11-0
Its a while since ive been there so others may have the route to hand, think its only 5 jumps to the centre

O7

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I present the saddest neutron star in the universe (you can use it, it just won't do you any good).

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I've explored the "rear" half of Orion Nebula, and one thing that came out of it is that the alignment needed to see Satan in the sky is very, very precise.

You basically can't see it at all if you go beyond PMD2009 48. I'm 100% certain it's not an accident of any kind. This is a bit like alignment to see Statue of Liberty head in the Statue of Libery Nebula - you have to have a very exact angle and position. (for those who have never seen it, also attached)

Attached a better view of it from PMD2009 48 - I will try the front half next and see if there is a better spot - I suspect a couple places.

Edit: so I can confirm that this alignment only exists in PMD2009 48. The next shot is from Celsius which is only a couple LY away and you can see how the alignment is already broken.

Edit 2: And the next shot is from " * tet02 Orionis C " (yes, the system name has a * in it) - it's barely recognizable from there - you can only see something if you know where to look.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I've finished my tour of Orion Nebula. I think I completely convinced myself that this is indeed the starting point of the trip to Raxxla. Here are some good reasons why:

First of all, this actually lines up with Rochester's research, AND it can also line up with the codex. The fact that this is locked off with a tiny exit through Witch Head Nebula is not a coincidence. I believe that lock is there specifically to make the Witch Head Nebula the gate to the region. Those locks around the Barnard's loop are not for future narrative - they are there for the current (and past one).

The Satan in the sky is probably as clear as one could make it, which leads me to think that this is indeed the start of a trip described in Paradise Lost. The fact that the beacon here specifically has verses from Paradise Lost reinforces this.

Now to the codex. I believe that this is actually the start of the "toast": the jewel on the brow of the mother of (all) galaxies. I think the "mother of all galaxies" is meant to indicate the Two Micron All-Sky Survey aka 2MASS, from which in the game there are some "brows" of stars here and there, one of them being in Orion Nebula. What the jewel is, that's honestly hard to say, but given the Satan's image is visible only from PMD2009 48 and it is the only inhabited system in the region with a fairly old station, I believe that specific system is the jewel, not the blindingly bright " * tet02 Orionis C " or the lone neutron star (although both would likely qualify). This is I think important as it's a hint on what the remaining systems in the toast could look like. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a conclusive way to confirm that PMD2009 48 is the "jewel".

The next line of the toast (the whisperer), and the next significant spot from Miltonian cosmology (the Gates of Hell) is in Witch Head Nebula. The gates are somewhat self-explanatory as that is the gateway through the zone lock, but what the whisperer is, again that is open to interpretation. I will head there next to look around. Particularly see if there are any evident visual cues.

The following item in the toast is the "siren in the deepest void". Where is the deep void? I actually think this is not what people have been thinking here with various regions of the galaxy. It's not that far away. Have you ever wondered what the giant black splotch in FSS background cloudy image is? Well, I've chased this down a while ago, and it's Pleiades. They are the "void" in FSS. This works out together with the beacon. The "siren" is something yet to identify, because Pleiades were technically nymphs, not sirens. Now that may be a too fine distinction for whoever wrote the toast, OR it's been written this way to be deliberately misleading.

So from there, it gets interesting, because at the moment I do not know where the following parts are - the parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. Based on the Brookes Memorial tour, I'd venture a guess that those are significant regions in the immediate vicinity of the bubble - Orion Nebula is 1300 LY. The rest is likely in ballpark same distance. So we leave Orion Nebula, go through Witch Head Nebula to Pleiades, and make a turn to the bubble. I'd venture a guess, that Artemis system is the "parent's grief". Why? Because Artemis was a virgin goddess, patron of chastity. And that's the location of "our world". That's where the Brookes Memorial "begins" or ends for us, and from there we have to figure out the last two on our own. I believe the geometry that Rochester presented is of significance. The path from Pleiades to Artemis is the causeway (if I remember correctly), and there we need to turn correctly to face "zenith". Lover's woe may indeed be Heart Nebula, but that is really far away - seems too far if we're following the geometry set by Milton. We want this to be closer and higher. And there is a place like this: NGC 7822 Nebula. This is full of O stars and black holes - direct opposite of Orion Nebula which is full of Red Dwarfs. And as I was rotating it around, briefly I saw a label "Elysian Shore... " blink which I cannot find at the moment. (Edit: Elysian Shore is the region name)

I think NGC 7822 Nebula is where Raxxla is.

PS: As a interesting tidbit, this Nebula shares model with the Statue of Liberty.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I think NGC 7822 Nebula is where Raxxla is.

That would fit with my "SAO Star" theory, which also points there.

"NGC 7822" certainly fits "yearning of our vagabond hearts" or perhaps even just "siren of the deepest void" in terms of places which attract explorers to them, and its appearance from a distance fits pretty well with "jewel that burns" (though its constellation is wrong to be on any mother's brow)

The catch, of course, is that NGC 7822 is almost as bad as the bubble for having been really heavily explored by conventional means, so we're right back to the theory failing to explain how Raxxla is concealed within the nebula so that no-one has found it yet - which is why I followed the SAO Arrow, looked around a few systems, realised I didn't have any ideas on what I was supposed to be doing, and wandered off again.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

That would fit with my "SAO Star" theory, which also points there.

"NGC 7822" certainly fits "yearning of our vagabond hearts" or perhaps even just "siren of the deepest void" in terms of places which attract explorers to them, and its appearance from a distance fits pretty well with "jewel that burns" (though its constellation is wrong to be on any mother's brow)

The catch, of course, is that NGC 7822 is almost as bad as the bubble for having been really heavily explored by conventional means, so we're right back to the theory failing to explain how Raxxla is concealed within the nebula so that no-one has found it yet - which is why I followed the SAO Arrow, looked around a few systems, realised I didn't have any ideas on what I was supposed to be doing, and wandered off again.

I think it needs to be visited in person, and you have to look for things like Satan in PMD2009 48. 90% of exploration game is about wallpapers after all. I'm pretty sure that this is the Gate to Heaven = yearning of vagabond hearts - it's on the edge of Elysian Shore. The problem is, once you're there what now? Note how regularly the stars are set up in the galmap? There is probably some puzzle to be sorted out there that isn't apparent by just looking at this in galmap - similar how there are actual gameplay elements to Orion Nebula which you will not see if you just stare at galmap.

This is where the "map" from the station garden may be useful, as well as Raxxla icon.

 

[Tifu]

I was looking up NGC 7822 then realised there's a prominent sun there that's not in EDSM. Where is it in the game exactly?

"The complex also includes one of the hottest stars discovered within 1 kpc of the Sun, namely BD+66 1673, which is an eclipsing binary system consisting of an O5V that exhibits a surface temperature of nearly 45,000 K and a luminosity about 100,000 times that of the Sun."

source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_7822

 

[athulin]

I was looking up NGC 7822 then realised there's a prominent sun there that's not in EDSM. Where is it in the game exactly?

"The complex also includes one of the hottest stars discovered within 1 kpc of the Sun, namely BD+66 1673, which is an eclipsing binary system consisting of an O5V that exhibits a surface temperature of nearly 45,000 K and a luminosity about 100,000 times that of the Sun."

BD+66 1773 (a designation from the 1800s -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durchmusterung), is also known as HIP 139 (which is in-game) and V747 Cephei (which is not). See https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simba...&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id , subsection "Identifiers" or "external archives" for additional info.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

Btw, before Rochester comes in and disagrees with everything, I do believe that MB was totally in love with Paradise Lost and used the design from there as a motif - there are likely multiple in game implementations of that geometry.

 

[Neestar]

The catch, of course, is that NGC 7822 is almost as bad as the bubble for having been really heavily explored by conventional means, so we're right back to the theory failing to explain how Raxxla is concealed within the nebula so that no-one has found it yet -

In what is probably a futile search, i've been going back to the beginning of this continuous @Macros Black thread reading each & every post ( in order ) . Still baffles the mind how, after 10+ years, nothing significant ( provable/repeatable ) has been either found nor shared yet. Regardless, all of these posts within page 15---> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/page-15 ...are very interesting to me.

 

[Macros Black]

In what is probably a futile search, i've been going back to the beginning of this continuous @Macros Black thread reading each & every post ( in order ) . Still baffles the mind how, after 10+ years, nothing significant ( provable/repeatable ) has been either found nor shared yet. Regardless, all of these posts within page 15---> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/page-15 ...are very interesting to me.

I agree...

 

[Reyedog]

I'm going to limit on what I post since people are harassing me in game and outside of it. I'm about 60% finished cataloging and marking images and constellations in ED. I'll post more images when I return back to the bubble and put things into order. I did find one that is obviously placed on purpose when looking at col70. I had a chuckle at it. Saving it for last. I am currently 3,800 ly above the bubble, bernards loop, and above the cone sector. There's a spot I wanted to image that I had only been too once when fleet carrier first got introduced. It can be accessed Via a 70LY ship using a boost. But it is a one way trip with no return unless taken there via fleet carrier. Destination after that is the Skull & Crossbones Nebula. If I was a pirate in game and I wanted a super secret base and had access to something fantastical I would hide it in there just out of princible of the name alone. What else screams pirate than a good old fashion skull and cross bones. And if you got into trouble just go back there. It's so far out there on the edge authorities would just give up searching.

 

[Reyedog]

I just noticed the skull and crossbones is a very under discovered area. I dont know if its because of the remoteness or hazards but allot of stuff is only half ass scanned out there.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I just noticed the skull and crossbones is a very under discovered area. I dont know if its because of the remoteness or hazards but allot of stuff is only half ass scanned out there.

There are more mysteries in the game than Raxxla. Piracy is an actual in game thing, with a giant black market concept attached to it. People have tried to "unlock Raxxla" via black market access, and it's even possible there is more than one way to get to Raxxla (it would actually not shock me at all). That being said, a pirate base in the middle of nowhere with almost no chance for actual loot makes only so much sense.

Also, Skull and Crossbones Nebula is a real object, and is where it is because that's where it sits IRL:

NGC 2467 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org