The REAL void

varonica

varonica
Ezren said:
And one does not know how physics behaves out in the void, nor in another galaxy.
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Umm, yes we do, as far as we can work out what we know of physics appears to apply uniformly across the universe. Different laws of physics applying in the Andromeda galaxy even in a way that may appear minor, would lead to large scale effects that would be obvious even to us this far away, "Ye cannae change laws of physics" as a well known Scotsman once said.

Now no doubt there are quite a few things we don't know, but for instance if we were to fiddle with the inverse square law of gravity even a little bit there would be no stars, or a single gigantic star, take your pick. yes the laws of physics do apply across the universe, even the ones we don't yet understand or know about.
 

M00ka

M00ka
Linnunrata said:
While I'm not in the new galaxy gang, the "interesting" things in galaxy are surely explored far before reaching even 95%, as there's quite a lot of non-descript red and brown dwarves in that figure.

It'd be interesting to know how many untagged Wolf-Rayets still exist, if such calculation is possible.
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Really, so you can say, with hand on heart and finger's crossed that because we, the members of the Pilot's Federation have explored less than 0.05% of the galaxy everything that can be found has been found?

Yes one brown dwarf is hard to tell from another, but who is to say there aren't sentient life out there, or more probably, evidence of an extinct race. Or pockets of humanity that evolved from the early generation ships that haven't yet been found.

But no, lets take the approach from the majority and stop looking because everything has been found. After all if they don't look they can't find and therefore can't be proved wrong :D
 

Linnunrata

Linnunrata
M00ka said:
Really, so you can say, with hand on heart and finger's crossed that because we, the members of the Pilot's Federation have explored less than 0.05% of the galaxy everything that can be found has been found?
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It depends what you mean by "everything", but since this is a computer game developed by a game studio where content is added in updates, I doubt there's any significant content to be found before FDev adds or changes it. Within the procedural stellar forge, many interesting limits have apparently already been "reached" (like the smallest planetary body created by Stellar forge) and no matter how many of those brown/red dwarf systems you shift through, you are unlikely to ever find a smaller one. And galactic records are in a way a good example of how things can be pretty unimpressive - I bagged my galactic record badge in EDSM by finding lightest, smallest and coldest G-class star but never actually noticed the star when jump & scanning (and my record have of course been since surpassed - but hey, at least I got a badge I thought I'll never get).

who is to say there aren't sentient life out there, or more probably, evidence of an extinct race. Or pockets of humanity that evolved from the early generation ships that haven't yet been found.
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I find it unlikely, considering it's a poor content creation method to work on something extensive and mindblowing and then hide it among billions of stars without any clues to find it. Might be a few easter eggs there, but with the current star amount, hitting one is more improbable than winning a lottery.

M00ka said:
But no, lets take the approach from the majority and stop looking because everything has been found.
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Or we can make a strawman and hit it with broomsticks.

It's just that citing the number of undiscovered stars in the galaxy doesn't imply that the puddle is deep, just that it is very, very wide.
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
The REAL void?

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Burke

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M00ka said:
But no, lets take the approach from the majority and stop looking because everything has been found. After all if they don't look they can't find and therefore can't be proved wrong :D
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When it gets tough it takes a real explorer to carry on. Unfortunately the FSS made most of them leave.

:)

Rubbernuke said:
The REAL void?
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Omg i saw that on horror not long back. Actually wasnt too bad.
 

Backelaer

Backelaer
varonica said:
Umm, yes we do, as far as we can work out what we know of physics appears to apply uniformly across the universe. Different laws of physics applying in the Andromeda galaxy even in a way that may appear minor, would lead to large scale effects that would be obvious even to us this far away, "Ye cannae change laws of physics" as a well known Scotsman once said.

Now no doubt there are quite a few things we don't know, but for instance if we were to fiddle with the inverse square law of gravity even a little bit there would be no stars, or a single gigantic star, take your pick. yes the laws of physics do apply across the universe, even the ones we don't yet understand or know about.
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This. Some people seem to get their galaxies and (hypothetically multiple) universes mixed up.
 

NeilF

NeilF
Burke said:
Humanity will never leave this galaxy (edit: or maybe its local group?), but andromeda will come to us. Ill go dig you out a youtube to watch which explains why. :)

Edit: Here you go. Being born now means you got to see all of it.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4yYHdDSWs
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Didn't one scientist once say we'd never be able to travel at speeds such as 100mph without suffocating? Didn't scientists a hundred years or so ago once say everything that could be discovered, basically had been? So I wouldn't write us off from achieving what we deem the impossible now :)

That said, if FTL travel is possible, where are the aliens? Surely we'd see the all over our galaxy!?
 

Burke

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NeilF said:
That said, if FTL travel is possible, where are the aliens? Surely we'd see the all over our galaxy!?
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If you google it there is a picture of our radio bubble. How far those signals have gone sinse we started broadcasting. Thats radio, which is light speed i beleive? When you see how small it is they could be all over the place all broadcasting for centurys and nobody will have met anybody yet.
 

NeilF

NeilF
Burke said:
If you google it there is a picture of our radio bubble. How far those signals have gone sinse we started broadcasting. Thats radio, which is light speed i beleive? When you see how small it is they could be all over the place all broadcasting for centurys and nobody will have met anybody yet.
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As regards not having seen any other civilisations yet:-
1) We have thusfar not seen a single bit of engineering that we'd expect from civilisations thousands/millions of years old that ours. eg: Dyson spheres.
2) We have thusfar not seen a single transmission that we'd expect from civilisations thousands/millions of years old that ours. eg: Why hasn't at least one advanced species sending out a clear/obvious signal for thuosands/millions of years. That said, the "Wow!" signal is very suspicious!
3) Why aren't there probes/beacons galore in our solar system? A species with sufficient automated technology could colonise the entire galaxy with automated units in hundred(s) of thousand years...
4) And if FTL travel was possible, even more so, where are they!?

It really does look like we are as good as, if not actually, all alone in this galaxy. Bizarre and depressing!
 

Linnunrata

Linnunrata
NeilF said:
Didn't one scientist once say we'd never be able to travel at speeds such as 100mph without suffocating? Didn't scientists a hundred years or so ago once say everything that could be discovered, basically had been? So I wouldn't write us off from achieving what we deem the impossible now
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Those claims were made in a very different context compared to modern day scientific community.

My personal take is that rather than developing FTL, humanity (assuming we survive our technological infancy) will transcend our organic mortality and conquer distances like that.

Burke said:
If you google it there is a picture of our radio bubble. How far those signals have gone sinse we started broadcasting.
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The signal strength of that radio bubble is also very low and thus actually hearing undirected (artificial) radio signals over interstellar distances is very hard.
 

Linnunrata

Linnunrata
NeilF said:
2) We have thusfar not seen a single transmission that we'd expect from civilisations thousands/millions of years old that ours. eg: Why hasn't at least one advanced species sending out a clear/obvious signal for thuosands/millions of years.
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That rests on the assumption that the advanced species want to interact with primates who just 10 000 years (a blink of an eye in galactic time scale) ago were hunter-gatherers living in caves.
 

Burke

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NeilF said:
It really does look like we are as good as, if not actually, all alone in this galaxy. Bizarre and depressing!
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There is supposed to be at least one more large planet in our solar system... and we cant even find that. Space is big, i expect there is something out there. Can you imagine if another civ did pick up our broadcasts? TV? We arnt exactly friendly to aliens :)

Linnunrata said:
My personal take is that rather than developing FTL, humanity (assuming we survive our technological infancy) will transcend our organic mortality and conquer distances like that.
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I dont think we ever will conquer those distances and in the long term humanitys survival will revolve around space habitats. Planet has supposedly 50000 years left. I doubt its going to be very nice at 40000 on that time scale anyway. If we dont solve the problems by then its all over :)
 
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