Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[relayer]

He wanted a big PvE co-op game but failed to take human nature and the difference between what players in the 80s wanted versus what players want today into account once he killed offline mode because of his BGS silliness.

Only if you view "human nature" as the jungle law of tooth and claw.

It's also "human nature" that many players are quite enjoying the game in all three modes. People like different things, obviously. What to one person who likes to fly among the stars, space trucking and sightseeing might seem to you the height of aggravation. What you are implying with your "human nature" quote; that is, fang to fang and claw to claw, may be anathema to many players.

 

[Stealth Gamer92]

People can dream though. Honestly it'd stop a ton of conflict, but the game already has it's mode's I know.

 

[relayer]

They are completely different games with a completely different ethos, you cannot directly compare the two as the only thing they have in common is that it's in Space.

I was not comparing them directly, I was commenting on the issue of ownership of space/controlling a space, which is what EvE allows, and which DB has addressed directly several times and said "it will not happen."

 

[Psycho Romeo]

This is absurd. I absolutely hated it that this was the case in D2 and I would absolutely hate it if it happened to ED.
One galaxy. I think that's important to FD.
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For the sake of discussion, can you specify what nerfs you are talking about?

 

[Mohrgan]

Well, ma'am, this thread has grown to quite a few pages why don't you enlighten me as to what the fundamental question is from your point-of-view so I can dissect it properly without misquoting?

Don't call me Ma'am, pal. The question was: Why should the entirety of Elite players be required to play by the gamer ethic of the few? Simple enougb, M' Lady.

Mobius is but one player group, and ten thousand of just about anything is a lot. The fact that some, or even many play in open doesn't mean they aren't in it for the Co-Op. They joined for that option, so logic dictates they must have an interest darlin'.

 

[Seonid]

I was not comparing them directly, I was commenting on the issue of ownership of space/controlling a space, which is what EvE allows, and which DB has addressed directly several times and said "it will not happen."

Yes, it won't happen because DBOBE doesn't want it, not because EVE has it.

 

[Nonya]

Don't call me Ma'am, pal. The question was: Why should the entirety of Elite players be required to play by the gamer ethic of the few? Simple enougb, M' Lady.

Mobius is but one player group, and ten thousand of just about anything is a lot. The fact that some, or even many play in open doesn't mean they aren't in it for the Co-Op. They joined for that option, so logic dictates they must have an interest darlin'.

No one is demanding everyone play in open. Or in solo. What we want is separate BGS for open and separate BGS for solo/private group.
Players get the same experience without the currently-built-in exploit of players going into open and when the going gets tough bailing to solo to avoid the trouble they got themselves into.
I compare it directly with combat logging.

 

[Seonid]

Players get the same experience without the currently-built-in exploit of players going into open and when the going gets tough bailing to solo to avoid the trouble they got themselves into.
I compare it directly with combat logging.

And after 2 and a half years the creators of the game still don't agree with you. Good luck.

 

[Spook]

Is it empty due to lack of players or does it just feel empty due to the sheer size of things combined with matchmaking? Play in Open a few hundred LY from the "core" areas and it will feel like Solo, but it's still Open. When not playing as a Fuel Rat, I see another human player about once or twice a month on average, having played in Open since Gamma.

Which brings us full circle again . I honestly think FD knew what they were doing when they scoped the basic game before bringing it to the Kickstarter.



Personal View

At its core is the 1:1 galaxy. From that flows everything else, the PvE slant, the emphasis on player choice, the P2P networking model, the focus on the BGS to “run” the galaxy, not players who amount to no more than a speck of dust in the vast expanse of the Sahara desert.


I seem to recall some wise soul posting some time ago – “FD couldn’t have designed a game more likely to frustrate ex EvE players if they’d tried”. – or words to that effect. I don't think they did that on purpose, it's a beneficial/regrettable result of the games core design.

Territorial/Resource control – pointless. Effectively infinite territory and resources.
No Subscriptions – No real money trade, pay to win, and gold faucets to monetize the game. That it reduces the scandals and corruption, is a side benefit and means FD don’t have to employ their own form of “Internal Investigations Department” just yet.”

The ability to mode switch, simplifies the game for the many, many thousands of players who don’t play the “my gang is bigger than your gang” game. They effectively have it, hardware, software for the non tech savvy, or by simply flying somewhere else. All the mode switch does is allow them to do it without inconveniencing them further.

Unfortunately for some “Play Styles” it would seem there is a market for games which encourage player interaction without forcing it. That FD, and other games under development (Star Citizen, Shroud of the Avatar) have chosen to pursue this market would indicate from a business point of view there’s more money in player choice than forced interaction.

As FD have been around for a “couple” of years, they may just understand their market a little better than we do from our side of the monitor. After all they’re staking their jobs and livelihoods on the call they made before the kickstarter. We’re just staking a couple of quid.

 

[Nonya]

And after 2 and a half years the creators of the game still don't agree with you. Good luck.

I can create an airplane constructed entirely out of concrete, doesn't mean it will fly no matter how much I disagree with the laws of physics.

There's agreeing with something and realizing your creation is broken. In this case they're one and the same.

 

[Mouse]

I can create an airplane constructed entirely out of concrete, doesn't mean it will fly no matter how much I disagree with the laws of physics.

There's agreeing with something and realizing your creation is broken. In this case they're one and the same.

Well your arguments are broken, good thing the game is not.

 

[Spook]

I can create an airplane constructed entirely out of concrete, doesn't mean it will fly no matter how much I disagree with the laws of physics.

There's agreeing with something and realizing your creation is broken. In this case they're one and the same.

Good luck convincing 60K people to front up some development cash on that one, then selling 600k "shares" when you've built it.

 

[Mohrgan]

No one is demanding everyone play in open. Or in solo. What we want is separate BGS for open and separate BGS for solo/private group.
Players get the same experience without the currently-built-in exploit of players going into open and when the going gets tough bailing to solo to avoid the trouble they got themselves into.
I compare it directly with combat logging.

Wrong again. You want the break, as a general argument many want an Open-only set up. You want to break up the BGS because of your gamer ethics. So the question is still valid. Why should the whole of the Elite player base be required to play by your gamer ethic?

 

[Nonya]

Wrong again. You want the break, as a general argument many want an Open-only set up. You want to break up the BGS because of your gamer ethics. So the question is still valid. Why should the whole of the Elite player base be required to play by your gamer ethic?

Why should we continue to be faced with this exploit? Combat logging is bad enough.
PowerlessPlay is completely incompatible with this mode switch.
You obviously don't want it split up because you utilize the exploit.

 

[Mouse]

Why should we continue to be faced with this exploit? Combat logging is bad enough.
PowerlessPlay is completely incompatible with this mode switch.
You obviously don't want it split up because you utilize the exploit.

There is no exploit and PP is utterly compatable

 

[Seonid]

Why should we continue to be faced with this exploit?

When you reported this "exploit" to FD Support, what was the response?

 

[Mouse]

When you reported this "exploit" to FD Support, what was the response?

probably laughed in his face, like when he reported the exploit of buying different ships, or equiping different weapons

 

[Mohrgan]

Why should we continue to be faced with this exploit? Combat logging is bad enough.
PowerlessPlay is completely incompatible with this mode switch.
You obviously don't want it split up because you utilize the exploit.

You just can't answer a simple question. No worries, no one on your side of the debate will either. It's par for the course.

I don't want it split because I do jump around and would like my efforts to matter, in as much as they can. PP has zero PvP requirements. Not a single one. For me, open is for getting into it with other Cmdr's. Group is for my Co-Op interests, and solo, well I don't use it much, but it's for solitude.

I have no hang ups. I just play for my own enjoyment. I have nothing to prove. Flying in open gains me no badge of courage, or respect from my peers. Exploit is just a word you use to evade the reality in the game. You think it will shame me, or someone when you use it. It doesn't. The game is just some diversion I use to entertain myself. I derive zero self worth from who I let into my video game.

Deflect all you like. I expect it. I can see no reason why anyone should have to live up to another's personal gamer ethics.

 

[Mouse]

You just can't answer a simple question. No worries, no one on your side of the debate will either. It's par for the course.

I don't want it split because I do jump around and would like my efforts to matter, in as much as they can. PP has zero PvP requirements. Not a single one. For me, open is for getting into it with other Cmdr's. Group is for my Co-Op interests, and solo, well I don't use it much, but it's for solitude.

I have no hang ups. I just play for my own enjoyment. I have nothing to prove. Flying in open gains me no badge of courage, or respect from my peers. Exploit is just a word you use to evade the reality in the game. You think it will shame me, or someone when you use it. It doesn't. The game just some diversion I use to entertain myself. I derive zero self worth from who I let into my video game.

Deflect all you like. I expect it. I can see no reason why anyone should have to live up to another's personal gamer ethics.

again +1000 reps.. you've been earning them tonight with well thought out replies

 

[Nonya]

When you reported this "exploit" to FD Support, what was the response?

They banned me from the forums, i.e. pretty poor response.