Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Dave1235]

<snip>There are plenty of players who quite enjoy "moving cargo from a to b"

/S Funny that, maybe they should have made it a part of the game if people enjoy it, although "moving cargo from a to b" is a bit long winded, perhaps call it "trading" or something like that.

Now I don't think there should be a ranking system, I mean who would want to get to Elite in "moving cargo from a to b", crazy idea but I thought I would get in before someone suggested it.

 

[Faded Glory]

[snip]
What is the old saying
You can make some of your customers happy some of the time. but not all of your customers happy all of the time. Something like that

I think the saying is more along the lines of:

You can make some people happy all of the time, all of the people happy some of the time, but not all of the people happy all of the time.

Is there a point to me being pedantic? I think so.

It's a huge game, will only get bigger, with more content for everyone. Will you like all the content? Probably not. Will I? Probably not. But we might like some of the content. The way FD structure the modes means that we can pick and choose any of the content we like, whoever it's aimed at, so someone who may not want PvP in the main game can still go and play CQC for example.

Focusing on what is wrong with the game from the perspective of a multi-player PvP oriented game is fine, but it isn't the whole story, and in the meantime, has the potential to ruin the game for yourself through frustration. It's been discussed over and over on this thread why players in Solo or Group don't imbalance Open in any significant way as the game stands, so you have to decide whether you actually want to play this game or not if it bothers you so much. It's fairly clear that FD have made conscious decisions that this is how they see their game working, so if those decisions, and that direction is a deal breaker... Well, you can come on here and ask for a different game, but that will likely only add to your frustrations, as there are plenty of other people who will defend the way the game works, because as much as you hate it, they like it.

 

[Jockey79]

Nope I didn't miss your comments, My thoughts on your comments are this!
MMO is in the main description
can play solo is the "fine print"
I expect the main description holds more weight than the fine print, am I wrong for expecting that? I don't think so
Can play solo doesn't mean that solo mode is going to "undermine" the MMO world
Solo mode can be a story line like Star Citizen is implementing. You can play the story campaign solo but if you go to the world it is an MMO!
That is what the advertising said to me! If it is lies or false advertising then who's fault is that!
I can take responsibility for falling prey to the false advertising but it still doesn't leave me with a happy feeling and my reviews and comments are going to reflect this!
So from here they can
A: develop the game into an MMO as advertised
B: drop the MMO advertising and make a solo game
C: keep the MMO advertising and maybe sell a few copies they otherwise wouldn't have but face the negative publicity that they earned with their false advertising!


Is it not blatantly obvious that the reason why we have thousands of threads on this topic is because neither side is happy and both sides are posting their frustration out on the forums. Instead of playing ED they are posting here. If they just picked a route and stuck with it then the opposing side would leave to greener pastures and the remaining player base would be happy. They continue to half bake the game to try and make it something for everyone and just make a mess!

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sour...&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=define+MMO&es_th=1

And the Steam page sells ED as, Single / Multi / Coop and MMO

So, like it or not - the game is an MMO.
Your opinion on it, means as much a mine - nothing.

Do I like it being sold as an MMO - no, but it is one and tough luck on us.

 

[david6768]

From the main page of www.elitedangerous.com :



Solo is hardly in the "fine print".

Solo mode is not a story mode - it has been described from the outset as playing the same game in the same shared galaxy state - just with no other players. There is no story mode in Elite: Dangerous.

Reading MMO and assuming that it meets with your interpretation of what other MMOs entail is something you did. The fact that even on the Steam page the game is described as "Single Player; Multi-Player; MMO; Co-op", in that order, indicates that single player is not hidden in the fine print.

Alternatively, Frontier may well select:

D: Continue to develop the game that they envisioned over two and a half years ago.

It is obvious that some players would prefer that the game was Open only with no option for players to play in Solo or Private Groups. It is also obvious that those players are frustrated by the P2P/Server-Lite networking model that Frontier selected for the game as instancing, like the different modes, also means that not all players in the same system as them will be able to be interacted with. The fact that all platforms will share the sale galaxy state and that we do not expect to cross-play with the console versions will only add to the number of players who cannot be directly opposed.

Frontier have picked a route and would seem to be sticking with it - the fact that that route does not meet with the expectations of some players who have not understood the ramifications of the game's core features is unfortunate but is also unlikely, in my opinion, to lead to the game being changed to suit them.

Your right I just assumed it was an MMO
Oh by the way I am reading challenged so please help me out and show me single player listed here!!

What is Elite: Dangerous?

Take control of your own starship in a cut-throat galaxy.

Elite: Dangerous is the definitive massively multiplayer space epic. With a connected galaxy, evolving narrative and the entirety of the Milky Way re-created at its full galactic proportions.
Starting with only a small starship and a few credits, players do whatever it takes to earn the skill, knowledge, wealth and power to survive in a futuristic cutthroat galaxy and to stand among the ranks of the Elite.
In an age of galactic superpowers and interstellar war, every player’s story influences the unique connected gaming experience and evolving narrative. Governments fall, battles are lost and won, and humanity’s frontier is reshaped, all by players’ actions.
400 Billion Star Systems. Infinite Freedom. Blaze Your Own Trail.

You are so right, clearly I am in the Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no IDEA where the MMO Idea came from !!
How could I make such an obvious error!

 

[Asp Explorer]

I love prawns and shrimp. I really like oysters.

Under no circumstances whatsoever will I eat Rocky Mountain oysters.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Your right I just assumed it was an MMO
Oh by the way I am reading challenged so please help me out and show me single player listed here!!




You are so right, clearly I am in the Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no IDEA where the MMO Idea came from !!
How could I make such an obvious error!

Yup - that bit exists on the same page as the bit I quoted. Also, when it says "every player’s story influences the unique connected gaming experience and evolving narrative. Governments fall, battles are lost and won, and humanity’s frontier is reshaped, all by players’ actions", it quite neatly describes the single shared galaxy state....

 

[Faded Glory]

Your right I just assumed it was an MMO
Oh by the way I am reading challenged so please help me out and show me single player listed here!!

Some may know you as an ally; others will call you a pirate, bounty hunter, an explorer, an assassin, a hero... Fly alone or with friends, fight for a cause or go it alone; your actions change the galaxy around you in an ever unfolding story.

From the same page that you took your quote.

https://www.frontierstore.net/usd/games/elite-dangerous-cat/elite-dangerous.html

Ninja'd by Mr Maynard. Again.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

So far as a solo game I find ED a failure, and as an MMO I find Ed as a failure. Either as solo or MMO ED has the potential to be a great game! Right now it is just unrealized POTENTIAL!

With all due respect, since you bought the game as an MMO, I don't think you get to declare that solo is a failure. As a solo player, I find it anything but a failure. The only thing that's been keeping me from playing lately is that I've been playing ED on Xbone as well.

 

[david6768]

I hit control F (find) on the main page
typed in single player
0 results found!

 

[Andovar]

I love prawns and shrimp. I really like oysters.

Under no circumstances whatsoever will I eat Rocky Mountain oysters.

I like prawns and shrimp too! I guess I should try some oysters. But definitely not those rocky mountain ones!

 

[Faded Glory]

I love prawns and shrimp. I really like oysters.

Under no circumstances whatsoever will I eat Rocky Mountain oysters.

They do tend to be a bit... gritty.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Hey Solo Guy, do you care if other players in solo, group, or open, play against you in CGs or PP? "Nope, cool with me thanks"
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Hey Group Guys, do you care if other players in solo, group, or open, play against you in CGs or PP? "Nope, cool with us, thanks"
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Hey Open Guys, do you care if other players in solo, group or open, play against you in CGs or PP? "Heck yes! Only Open, so we can <positively interact with them and enrich their gameplay>; nothing else is fair..."
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FDev: Guess we got it right, biscuit anyone?

 

[Zieman]

<positively interact with them and enrich their gameplay>

Literally laughing out loud!

 

[david6768]

Some may know you as an ally; others will call you a pirate, bounty hunter, an explorer, an assassin, a hero... Fly alone or with friends, fight for a cause or go it alone; your actions change the galaxy around you in an ever unfolding story.

From the same page that you took your quote.

https://www.frontierstore.net/usd/games/elite-dangerous-cat/elite-dangerous.html

Ninja'd by Mr Maynard. Again.

Oh Alone means SOLO MODE. that is really reaching!
Going into an MMO alone always has been always will be an option. I
It says you can "go it alone" NOT You can play alone!!
There is a difference and a clear one. Attempting word play is not the same as proving your point!

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With all due respect, since you bought the game as an MMO, I don't think you get to declare that solo is a failure. As a solo player, I find it anything but a failure. The only thing that's been keeping me from playing lately is that I've been playing ED on Xbone as well.

Well failure might have been the wrong choice of words here. I will concede
Solo play is lacking
multi play is lacking
There I prefer the wording of lacking to failure.
But in either case I can declare my "opinion" to be whatever I want ! I never said it had to be your opinion!

 

[Robert Maynard]

Oh Alone means SOLO MODE. that is really reaching!
Going into an MMO alone always has been always will be an option. I
It says you can "go it alone" NOT You can play alone!!
There is a difference and a clear one. Attempting word play is not the same as proving your point!

Have you read the Kickstarter? This information has been in the public domain for over two and a half years now.

The Steam description clearly states there is a single player mode.

 

[david6768]

Have you read the Kickstarter? This information has been in the public domain for over two and a half years now.

The Steam description clearly states there is a single player mode.

No I did not go back 3 years worth of data reading everything before I bought the game! to expect as much is preposterous!


Yep I never disagreed with you on that point. We just disagreed if it is the "fine print" or not!
I still think it is the "fine print" and even more so after my control F search for single player turned up ZERO matches on the ED main page.
You can argue all you want but I am only listing the facts! I have not attempted any word play or trickery to make my point (cough)

 

[Mouse]

You want a solo mode, you have a solo mode.
OF course anyone that wants that is righteous and not a griefer and is in the "right" ]
Oh but the "vision" The "dream" of ED isn't this or that !
and anyone that is in the other camp is obstinate!
OF course Of Course they are ROFL
You have what you want, the way you want the MMO/PVP/group interaction players don't!!!
If you have what you want of course you want NO CHANGEs and everyone should just shut up and except they way it is and move on!
IF you want changes the coin is flipped a little differently!! and "shut up", "go away" just accept it" doesn't really work here does it !!!
There is a reason those that want PVP/MMO/group interaction don't just go away, we want change!

In all seriousness you need to play a different game. All you do is bellyache how bad ED is... when is isn't at all. It clearly is not the game for you.

I don't play solo often, I play Mobius, I like to say Hi to Bob and not worry about Bob blowing me up because he needs entertained .

The vision and Dream of ED is what we are playing, if you can't get that .. it isn't my fault

If other camp is those that feel that their way of playing is the only right way and want to force others to play then YES they are bloody Obstinate!

I don't have what I want.. I'd like a PVE only Open mode.. but if it comes it comes, if not I will continue to work with what is available in game. Oh and you are way off with your MMO/PVP/group comment.. for one I AM a MMO/Group player.. and I have nothing against PVP unless they try to force it on me.. Which is why I am not in Open. And it is clear you still have no flipping clue as to what MMO means... you think MMO means EVE.. it doesn't .. there is a WIDE RANGE of games that are considered MMO.. surprisingly even ED.

When have I said no changes and everyone shut up? Please find those for me... there is a HUGE difference in asking for change and utterly changing the game to pander to a few.. that is what I'm against

Your whole argument doesn't have a single basis of fact in it.. about me, about the game, heck even about the ED community.. maybe you should READ the threads instead of assuming as to what they say.

 

[Jockey79]

Oh Alone means SOLO MODE. that is really reaching!
Going into an MMO alone always has been always will be an option. I
It says you can "go it alone" NOT You can play alone!!
There is a difference and a clear one. Attempting word play is not the same as proving your point!

1) Read the last link in my Sig - alone = solo = single player. FD have confirmed and clarified this a lot.
2) MMOs that make you play with others even if you play alone, also let you decide if you want PvE or PvP style play.

World of Warcraft for example, makes me play with others and see others even if I'm actually playing by myself.
Though I do not have to engage with others while I am there and I'm not forced into PvP while I play.

Same for Firefall, I can play alone for hours on end, despite seeing others running around - but they cannot hurt me or stop me from playing.
Same for Star Trek Online, it places you in private instances for your missions but the rest of the game is a social area where you cannot stop others or force others to PvP.

 

[Mouse]

No I did not go back 3 years worth of data reading everything before I bought the game! to expect as much is preposterous!

yeah it shows..

 

[Jockey79]

No I did not go back 3 years worth of data reading everything before I bought the game! to expect as much is preposterous!

This topic has been on the forums since before the game came out, you only have your own lack of research to blame.
I've been involved in this debate since November, there was 3 different threads until the mega started in January 2015.