Given what has actually been written by DB and many of his development team, I would have to say that holds more water than your speculation on what DB is/has been/was thinking while sat on his lavatory, speculation is not a crime but when it flies in the face of so much evidence it starts to look a bit silly.
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Given what has actually been written by DB and many of his development team, I would have to say that holds more water than your speculation on what DB is/has been/was thinking while sat on his lavatory, speculation is not a crime but when it flies in the face of so much evidence it starts to look a bit silly.
I was talking about his comments prior to the kickstarter, nothing more.
Well I appreciate it, it a was comment based on an interview before the kickstarter, and the intial kickstarter pitch, which is quoted elsewhere on why it sounded to me like he initially wanted the game lean more towards multiplayer. It was basically my impression from that interview and how the kickstarter quote kinda supported it. But it was highly speculative and not meant to be an argument for anything really, it just kinda jibes with the comment I was replying to.
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I'd still be interested if you could provide a link to the quote you are referring to.
Not as easy as you'd think (apparently)
"Any offline experience would be fundamentally empty. We could write a separate mission system to allow a limited series of fixed missions, but that would still not be a compelling game, and is only the first step in the mountain of work required. DB - source
Indeed. It was always said meeting someone in the galaxy would be rare and meaningful.
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This is interesting...... I am not saying you are wrong - and it was a long time ago, however the only thing I remember about Elite IV, pre kickstarter was that it would probably be 2 games, 1 an offline single player game, possibly with co-op via invite and a SEPARATE multiplayer game which sounded to me more like an arena shooter.
indeed, in my mind at least I pictured something like solo/group that we have now and CQC for the PvP section of the game.
however I guess it was after that this evolved into the shared universe.
This is my recollection, hazy at best combined with me possibly putting a bias into it as that was kind of what I wanted from the game..... So I am in no way claiming I am right and you are wrong/.
Solo, not Offline.
It has already been commented in this thread that you can create an artificial Solo mode in Open by mucking around with networking. In other words, if the clients can't talk to each other (this being P2P architecture), it becomes Solo. So creating an official Solo mode should have taken nothing more than disabling certain networking aspects and adding a menu item.
Offline would be different. The problem here is that the client would require all of the system data and BGS logic to be available locally. There are a number of reasons why that would have made things difficult (or undesirable).
The lack of offline mode is more to do with pitiful home PC systems being unable to handle the simulation load.
I'd be interested too. I've looked at some of the KS stuff (and I take that as somewhat 'official'). But I'd be curious to read/watch anything from before that.
The lack of offline had to do with the fact that everything from missions to factions to epxloration turn ins etc. is tied to the background sim. Without the background sim there is nothing in the game except space and pretty round balls.
Err... that was my point...
Edit: Both the space and the pretty round balls are part of it as well.
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Wasn't meant as a dig..or anything negative...we might be at odds on definitions..but your statement above means you are looking for a place that provides you with safety from 'a certain type of player'. Thus you makes your choices. You might see this differently...<shrug> No problem for me. Tomatoes, tomahtoes.
My point isn't that the devs do not like private groups, overall...however, it is questionable that they might have overlooked how popular a PVE only group would be...and this might be at odds to what they envisioned.
The fact that a large group/Open PVE mode has not been included in the game means something. It can't be an oversight. There are few MMO games made since the days of UO that mixed PVP and PVE. This has to be a conscious design choice. And various comments and attitudes that have been expressed by the devs has led me to believe they want players to choose between sharing the game together in Open or not. With an expectation that the players will fight out their differences within Open with PVP, where the PVE trophy chasing cannot accommodate the outcome of a disagreement. Or avoid the differences by moving to Private.
Obvioulsy, everyone can..and does have a differing opinion. Everyone's mileage will vary.
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[video=youtube_share;XtYHkP3wCqM]https://youtu.be/XtYHkP3wCqM[/video]
Full video;
http://www.twitch.tv/egx/b/571962295?t=69m00s
This is why the game should never have been given the MMO tag - it's more trouble than it's worth.
Plus the game was never supposed to have the massive social aspects of WoW, GW2, EVE when seeing other players is "rare"
Also DBOBE talking about choosing who we play with, or on our own;
[video=youtube;P5JYRyhxYhI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5JYRyhxYhI&list=PL7glm5rbPHKyBblUEjmm2PFkwJ4ykuz6s&index=18[/video]
[Edit: All of the above was in my wall of information]
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It's not that a single machine can't run the server (which the BGS runs on) and the game simultaneously...it's that FDev will not release the server software to the public. They want a unified universe...so they maintain full control of the server for business reasons.
Now, they have stated that they will release the server code upon game death..which some people are waiting for with baited breath. Hopefully, those folks will get a chance to gain a breath here or there, since the game is not dying anytime soon.
If I am misunderstanding your point...sorry...haven't had my coffee yet!
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It's both of those, which was my point. Your home system can't run it (technical) and FD won't release it (business).
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If they only maintained the BGS for things that mattered (kind of like Minecraft servers where only player active areas are kept alive), it might well be possible. Even a really grunty machine might have a shot at running everything. But, in general, I agree with you.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/11/06/elite-returns-with-massive-kickstarter-goal/
There's The source for anyone interested, the original is long gone I believe it was on the kickstarter page, the quote I posted was in full.
I remember a period of time where that was said quite often too, and that was a time when I wasn't following too closely so it may have been headed that way then changed. I also remember quite a few people mad there would be no solo at all, although I'm not sure if it was ever actually said or if it was just typical internet confusion.
And I'm not really sure if I'm right or not, I have similar hazy recollections, and I also remember the kickstater being incredibly vague for quite awhile so I didn't back it and hopped in during beta. Which is why I mentioned in my previous comment I really only recall him talking about multiplayer. He could have just been hyping the new aspects for all I know, but that was the impression I got.
Kickstarter page from the article...good to have link here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
As hackers have shown the only thing your machine isn't really doing is market updates, which aren't dynamic on their own anyways. If you are the only one making changes to the world there is nothing more to process that I'm aware of. You are already doing everything locally that isn't injected like power play and cg's etc.
"Whether you want to trade for profit between systems, take part in multiplayer co-op mission alliances, free-for-all group battles and team raids to bring down planetary economies, even tip the balance of power in the galaxy (for your own advantage, of course..), or simply explore the wonders of the galaxy (and who knows what you’ll find out there..) is up to you."
The old "rare but meaningful" really needs to be retired as THE thing braben said about PvP.
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