Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[JeffRyan]

I disagree that it was even encouraged. In one sentence - "We're giving players a reason to engage in PVP against supporters of other factions, and a chance to feel like part of a team even if you prefer to play alone" - Sandro mentioned PvP and playing alone. Why do you take one as being encouraged over the other?

Yes he also mentioned "license to attack anyone from a rival power" but that could easily have meant NPCs as well as players. "Anyone" not "players", "attack anyone" not "PvP" (a term which he used later).

You have interpreted the quote to mean something that it did not actually say. That happens an awful lot with developer-speak. It's meant to be vague. I remember saying in this thread that that interpretation (PP was designed for PvP) would prove to be disappointing to those who interpreted it that way. And we are seeing that now. You imagine it to be meant for PvP and therefore you see the things that are missing (rewards for killing other players like you get with NPCs, preventing Solo players Undermining, etc.). Those things aren't missing in the version that wasn't meant for one style of play over another. That's the version that was designed.

You're really stretching. The obvious interpretation of the quote is 'PVP is encouraged'. It explicitly mentions PVP. Your inability to even admit that much is...

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Why do you take one as being encouraged over the other?

I really don't. Please see above posts.

 

[Jockey79]

Let me be absolutely clear. If it can be read that I was implying made to, then I apologise. Simply encouraged.

+1

Just hold on for CQC, that will be fun. I'll even be on your team as cannon fodder, as long as you're good enough to kill whomever got me plus your own targets lol

 

[snotface]

I think Frontier Developments made it very clear that they are not actually interested in this or any subject which is not on the side of the Pew Pew crowd. Its clear that they want everybody focused on PVP and PK as part of the game and not the PVE side of the game. With all the content put into the game, which only benefits the PVP player, Group and Solo players will more and more be left out of this game.

If a group like Mobius all sided with just one faction and all played in Group mode it would make a large effect on this game. If all large Group Mode Groups' players did exactly the same thing then Open players will not be able to do anything against groups supported by Group mode Group's and their members. I think this discussion is well past its sell by date and should be put to bed. What effects this game more now is the very small minded forum members who want to rule the game and spoil it for everybody else.

 

[Jockey79]

I think Frontier Developments made it very clear that they are not actually interested in this or any subject which is not on the side of the Pew Pew crowd. Its clear that they want everybody focused on PVP and PK as part of the game and not the PVE side of the game. With all the content put into the game, which only benefits the PVP player, Group and Solo players will more and more be left out of this game.

If a group like Mobius all sided with just one faction and all played in Group mode it would make a large effect on this game. If all large Group Mode Groups' players did exactly the same thing then Open players will not be able to do anything against groups supported by Group mode Group's and their members. I think this discussion is well past its sell by date and should be put to bed. What effects this game more now is the very small minded forum members who want to rule the game and spoil it for everybody else.

Okay, what have you been drinking / smoking?

First thing is first, the Mobius group makes up about 2% of the player base, so they can be countered quite easily by the rest of the players base.
Also, the CQC add-on is a great benefit to the PvE crowd, as it will distract those who want confrontational interactions, leaving Open mode with less aggressive players and more role players (so less chance of being mindlessly killed for no reason).

"All the content", really? all of it?

Wings (Group and Open can be used for PvE)
Power Play (All modes, does not force PvP)

Did I miss anything from the HUGE list of content added ?

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Are the soloers really so entrenched that they can't admit to a valid point? Jeffryan has a very good point, npcs grant merits from kills players don't. That is actively discouraging pvp, it's not all modes being equal, it is actually taking something away fromthose who enjoy PvP. Can anyone explain why it should be that way?

 

[SteveLaw]

Why do you take one as being encouraged over the other?

I really don't. Please see above posts.

Well now you are thoroughly confusing me.

Which part of this:

The obvious interpretation of the quote is 'PVP is encouraged'.

Or this:

So apparently there was an idea to encourage PvP

Is you not claiming that PvP was encouraged?

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Are the soloers really so entrenched that they can't admit to a valid point? He has a very good point, npcs grant merits from kills players don't. That is actively discouraging pvp, it's not all modes being equal, it is actually taking something away fromthose who enjoy PvP. Can anyone explain why it should be that way?

Open players get merits for killing NPCs - Solo players get credits for killing NPCs.
Open players do not get merits for killing players - Solo players do not get merits for killing players.

Which part of that isn't being equal? What is being taken from either mode?

You are still allowed to kill other players in Open, no-one has taken that away. In fact they added a means to do it with impunity under certain circumstances. They don't reward you for killing players, but they never did.

Nothing is being taken away but you are being given an opportunity for consequence-free PvP.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

I for one love PVP.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Open players get merits for killing NPCs - Solo players get credits for killing NPCs.
Open players do not get merits for killing players - Solo players do not get merits for killing players.

Which part of that isn't being equal? What is being taken from either mode?
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So it's ok for open players to not get merits from pvp because Solo players actively avoid pvp? Are you insane? One side is not getting rewarded for doing something they want to do, because some other people don't want to do it.

This isn't only a solo or open thing, groups with pvp are also hurt by it.

 

[sun_tzu]

So I finally ventured into open play today after months of solo and i headed out in my python to where my conda was stored

I got jumped by a wing of 4 players I got ripped apart in seconds as they swarmed me as I approached the station.

Nevermind I respawned and headed back out again... and got swarmed again as I approached the same station...

So I switched back to solo and in a sidewinder to get my conda and take it somewhere else

Fair play to the guys they tore through me in no time and were very slick as it was almost instant them showing up on scans to me being blown up... still considering I wasnt wanted and had no cargo it did seem slightly griefy to do it - Id have happily taken on any one of them 1v1 but 4v1 was never going to be a contest.

Is being in a wing the best (only way to survive) these days - or did i just get unlucky

 

[SteveLaw]

So it's ok for open players to not get merits from pvp because Solo players actively avoid pvp? Are you insane?

It's not okay for Open players to get a source of merits not available to Solo.

But how does not getting something mean the same as having something taken away? That was your original complaint. Nothing has been taken away, it's only been added.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

I disagree that it was even encouraged. In one sentence - "We're giving players a reason to engage in PVP against supporters of other factions, and a chance to feel like part of a team even if you prefer to play alone" - Sandro mentioned PvP and playing alone. Why do you take one as being encouraged over the other?

Incidentally, the "alone" means playing lone wolf, in open, against other players, given that the context is PvP.

It doesn't mean "solo mode".

Whilst you can play PP in solo mode (or group) the sentence by Sandro was not talking about modes, but wings / lone wolf / playing as part of a team (ie your power)

 

[SteveLaw]

Incidentally, the "alone" means playing lone wolf, in open, against other players, given that the context is PvP.

It doesn't mean "solo mode".

So you can be part of team even when playing a lone wolf. Hmm?

 

[Jockey79]

Are the soloers really so entrenched that they can't admit to a valid point? Jeffryan has a very good point, npcs grant merits from kills players don't. That is actively discouraging pvp, it's not all modes being equal, it is actually taking something away fromthose who enjoy PvP. Can anyone explain why it should be that way?

Discouraging would be if you lost 15 merits for killing a PC.
Getting nothing for killing a PC is neither encouragement or discouragement.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

It's not okay for Open players to get a source of merits not available to Solo.

But how does not getting something mean the same as having something taken away? That was your original complaint. Nothing has been taken away, it's only been added.

so open is not available to solo players? I guess some people finally got their wish.

They are losing out because a percentage of their enemies don't give merits.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

So you can be part of team even when playing a lone wolf. Hmm?

You sign up for a power .. you're collectively working as a team for that power, even though the actual task in hand you're currently doing by yourself, yes.

No need for "Hmm"

 

[SteveLaw]

so open is not available to solo players? I guess some people finally got their wish.

They are losing out because a percentage of their enemies don't give merits.

You face the same number of NPCs as every other mode so nothing is taken away.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

You face the same number of NPCs as every other mode so nothing is taken away.

Got the data to back that claim?

Power Play's "Shoot ships down via interdictions" is more or less an awful grind. It's also very buggy, I've been having ships disappear on me after interdictions.

 

[SteveLaw]

You sign up for a power .. you're collectively working as a team for that power, even though the actual task in hand you're currently doing by yourself, yes.

No need for "Hmm"

I'm sorry Liqua you often talk a lot of sense but this is utter nonsense.

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Got the data to back that claim?

The only thing that changes between modes is which other players you see. Everything else is exactly the same game. Do you have data to disprove that?

 

[Roland2]

I think Frontier Developments made it very clear that they are not actually interested in this or any subject which is not on the side of the Pew Pew crowd. Its clear that they want everybody focused on PVP and PK as part of the game and not the PVE side of the game. With all the content put into the game, which only benefits the PVP player, Group and Solo players will more and more be left out of this game.

If a group like Mobius all sided with just one faction and all played in Group mode it would make a large effect on this game. If all large Group Mode Groups' players did exactly the same thing then Open players will not be able to do anything against groups supported by Group mode Group's and their members. I think this discussion is well past its sell by date and should be put to bed. What effects this game more now is the very small minded forum members who want to rule the game and spoil it for everybody else.

How the ...did you come to that conclusion? Please provide copies or links to the dev posts that show this. That way we can look at them and maybe discuss them intelligently, instead of just posting blanket statements like that.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

The only thing that changes between modes is which other players you see. Everything else is exactly the same game. Do you have data to disprove that?

I asked first~